If I'm a Syracuse fan, I would question Scott's decision making after everyone saw Dungy out cold for albeit a brief time and knowing he already missed a game due to a concussion. The kid wasn't the same since he came back, though he made some good plays. Coaches should never risk these kids knowing what we know now about head injuries.
(10-24-2015 04:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm a Syracuse fan, I would question Scott's decision making after everyone saw Dungy out cold for albeit a brief time and knowing he already missed a game due to a concussion. The kid wasn't the same since he came back, though he made some good plays. Coaches should never risk these kids knowing what we know now about head injuries.
I don't agree. He ran out on the field to get Dungey off the field and then they took him back to the training room to have him evaluated. It seemed to me that he exercised precaution. I wont give Shafer any props for his gameday coaching but I can tell he is concerned for his kids. The backup behind Dungey is not too shabby in case he had to go in the game for a longer time. So he did have that option and not have to roll the dice in desperation.
I still think it was dangerous. To me, it appeared he was feeling the effects especially on one of the runs he made in the second half.
(10-24-2015 04:52 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm a Syracuse fan, I would question Scott's decision making after everyone saw Dungy out cold for albeit a brief time and knowing he already missed a game due to a concussion. The kid wasn't the same since he came back, though he made some good plays. Coaches should never risk these kids knowing what we know now about head injuries.
if the doctor clears him every coach makes the same call
Some people on the Syracuse board, who claim connections, say Dungey never suffered a concussion during CMU and he was taken out, and missed LSU, because of his neck. It seems surprising to me that neither of these hits would result in concussions, but Dungey is pretty damn resilient. He gets popped good at least once a game and stand up like it was nothing.
In the USF game he got spun in the air and landed hard on the sideline, UVA he get popped after his hurdle, and today he had the helmet-to-helmet hit. Each time he was on the ground for no more than a few seconds at most. Even the CMU hit where it looked like he was out cold for a while he got up and walked off the field with no help.
The play calling also changed considerably after the hit today. The offense became way more conservative, Dungey only ran once in the 4th quarter and got outta bounds. So the coaches were trying to protect him even after being told he was fine.
That kid is very good and will be a handful for the next several years.
Also, there is no question that they did everything they could to protect him after he got hurt. I mean the head coach ran out onto the field and grabed the kid for Pete's sake. When have you ever seen that before?
That said, I do believe that Grigsby's hit on him changed the game. It changed some of his decision-making and it changed some of the coaches' decision-making too. He really got his clock cleaned there and that can have an impact on anyone.
This isn't a video game and you do have to figure out a way to utilize his poise and athleticism without exposing him to so many vicious hits.
(10-25-2015 01:57 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]That kid is very good and will be a handful for the next several years.
Also, there is no question that they did everything they could to protect him after he got hurt. I mean the head coach ran out onto the field and grabed the kid for Pete's sake. When have you ever seen that before?
That said, I do believe that Grigsby's hit on him changed the game. It changed some of his decision-making and it changed some of the coaches' decision-making too. He really got his clock cleaned there and that can have an impact on anyone.
This isn't a video game and you do have to figure out a way to utilize his poise and athleticism without exposing him to so many vicious hits.
The coaches did indeed change their playcalling the rest of the game, according to an article on Syracusefan.com. Dungey just needs a year to develop a few more pounds of muscle. Im glad that some one else other thaan SU fans noticed how good he is. He's only a true freshman. The staff found a true diamond in the ruff. Next season, SU's offense will be fantastic. Hopefully the secondary will improve, which they usually do when Shafer has so many freshmen in the secondary. I lost all hope for this season. Don't know if Shafer will be around to coach these kids next year though.
Also, after watching the replay, you see Shafer run out to pull him off the field, and Dungey waves him off basically saying I'm ok and was trying to turn around to get back into the huddle. But Shafer insisted. LOL!
Shafer absolutely did the right thing there.
The kid was lying facedown on the turf for several seconds with his arms at his side and his palms facing the dome. Dungey can say whatever he wants to say but that was not a natural position for someone who has their wits about them. That was the posture of someone who had just been injured.
In retrospect, Dungey probably did not suffer a substantial concussion but he was clearly not with us for a my least a moment and Syracuse would have been insane to take a chance there. If that kid did have a concussion and they sent him right back out there to take another shot Shafer would have definitely been fired sooner rather than later. Also, he should be if for no other reason than boneheadedly jeopardizing his star quarterback's future for no apparent reason.
(10-25-2015 11:09 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]Shafer absolutely did the right thing there.
The kid was lying facedown on the turf for several seconds with his arms at his side and his palms facing the dome. Dungey can say whatever he wants to say but that was not a natural position for someone who has their wits about them. That was the posture of someone who had just been injured.
In retrospect, Dungey probably did not suffer a substantial concussion but he was clearly not with us for a my least a moment and Syracuse would have been insane to take a chance there. If that kid did have a concussion and they sent him right back out there to take another shot Shafer would have definitely been fired sooner rather than later. Also, he should be if for no other reason than boneheadedly jeopardizing his star quarterback's future for no apparent reason.
Spot on...
Do you think that hit was targeting on Dungey? Obvious helmet to helmet...I file it under sh!t happens but it seems like they are throwing the flag on stuff like that.
(10-25-2015 05:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Next season, SU's offense will be fantastic. Hopefully the secondary will improve, which they usually do when Shafer has so many freshmen in the secondary. I lost all hope for this season. Don't know if Shafer will be around to coach these kids next year though.
Yet another season of wait until next season. No offense but no thanks.
(10-26-2015 08:30 AM)WNCOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015 05:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Next season, SU's offense will be fantastic. Hopefully the secondary will improve, which they usually do when Shafer has so many freshmen in the secondary. I lost all hope for this season. Don't know if Shafer will be around to coach these kids next year though.
Yet another season of wait until next season. No offense but no thanks.
Patience...you gave up on him early I understand but he won't be fired this year. Next year is his make it/break it season.
I don't have any problem with the way Schaefer handled it. As others have noted, he ran out and got Dungey before he could get back in the huddle and judging by the way Dungey popped up and then waved Schaefer off, he was trying to stay in the game. Schaefer did the right thing and took him out and (I'm assuming here) made him go through the concussion protocol.
They took him back in the locker room and eventually he came back out after he was cleared to play by a doctor (again I'm assuming but I see no other way).
At that point, Schaefer was right to put him back in, too. Once the doctor says it's OK, it's OK. That's what they get paid for and since Schaefer isn't a doctor himself he needs to rely on the professional advice he's given. I'm sure he did.
As for the hit itself, I do not think it is targeting (
http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2342). There are two rules regarding targeting - initiating contact with the crown of the helmet and hitting a defenseless player in the head/neck area. Since Dungey was running, I don't think he gets the protection of being considered a defenseless player. If you watch the replay, Grigsby is leading with his shoulder, not the crown of his helmet.
I'm glad Dungey is OK. He's got a bright future ahead of him at Syracuse.
(10-26-2015 11:39 AM)ndlutz Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have any problem with the way Schaefer handled it. As others have noted, he ran out and got Dungey before he could get back in the huddle and judging by the way Dungey popped up and then waved Schaefer off, he was trying to stay in the game. Schaefer did the right thing and took him out and (I'm assuming here) made him go through the concussion protocol.
They took him back in the locker room and eventually he came back out after he was cleared to play by a doctor (again I'm assuming but I see no other way).
At that point, Schaefer was right to put him back in, too. Once the doctor says it's OK, it's OK. That's what they get paid for and since Schaefer isn't a doctor himself he needs to rely on the professional advice he's given. I'm sure he did.
As for the hit itself, I do not think it is targeting (http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2342). There are two rules regarding targeting - initiating contact with the crown of the helmet and hitting a defenseless player in the head/neck area. Since Dungey was running, I don't think he gets the protection of being considered a defenseless player. If you watch the replay, Grigsby is leading with his shoulder, not the crown of his helmet.
I'm glad Dungey is OK. He's got a bright future ahead of him at Syracuse.
Lutz..I agree...it was a FB play. However, we have had calls like that go against us. Glad they reversed the call on our player too. The CMU player can go pound rocks though...he made the decision to hit Dungey on purpose.
(10-26-2015 11:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 08:30 AM)WNCOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015 05:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Next season, SU's offense will be fantastic. Hopefully the secondary will improve, which they usually do when Shafer has so many freshmen in the secondary. I lost all hope for this season. Don't know if Shafer will be around to coach these kids next year though.
Yet another season of wait until next season. No offense but no thanks.
Patience...you gave up on him early I understand but he won't be fired this year. Next year is his make it/break it season.
We have been waiting for how many decades of wait for next season?
(10-26-2015 12:37 PM)WNCOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 11:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 08:30 AM)WNCOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015 05:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Next season, SU's offense will be fantastic. Hopefully the secondary will improve, which they usually do when Shafer has so many freshmen in the secondary. I lost all hope for this season. Don't know if Shafer will be around to coach these kids next year though.
Yet another season of wait until next season. No offense but no thanks.
Patience...you gave up on him early I understand but he won't be fired this year. Next year is his make it/break it season.
We have been waiting for how many decades of wait for next season?
Hmmm decades? We hired GRob for the '05 season.
(10-26-2015 01:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 12:37 PM)WNCOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 11:33 AM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 08:30 AM)WNCOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2015 05:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Next season, SU's offense will be fantastic. Hopefully the secondary will improve, which they usually do when Shafer has so many freshmen in the secondary. I lost all hope for this season. Don't know if Shafer will be around to coach these kids next year though.
Yet another season of wait until next season. No offense but no thanks.
Patience...you gave up on him early I understand but he won't be fired this year. Next year is his make it/break it season.
We have been waiting for how many decades of wait for next season?
Hmmm decades? We hired GRob for the '05 season.
You are right. The years GRob were here only feel like they last decades.
I didn't see it, but if the kid was laying on the turf unconscious, it was negligent to put him back in the game.
(10-26-2015 01:46 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't see it, but if the kid was laying on the turf unconscious, it was negligent to put him back in the game.
I would agree, but he was never unconscious.
(10-26-2015 02:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 01:46 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't see it, but if the kid was laying on the turf unconscious, it was negligent to put him back in the game.
I would agree, but he was never unconscious.
He was just laying motionless for a bit?
(10-26-2015 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 02:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2015 01:46 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't see it, but if the kid was laying on the turf unconscious, it was negligent to put him back in the game.
I would agree, but he was never unconscious.
He was just laying motionless for a bit?
For 3-4 secs then he hopped up.