So we are halfway through the season, based on what we have seen so far(obviously a lot can change), what jobs do you guys think will be open in the ACC?
UVA-sure thing, London has to go. UVA needs to make a strong committment to football and get this one right
Miami- I have to think another 7 win season from Golden would be enough to make a change, but will it? We desperately need Miami to get the right guy and get that program rolling again.
VT-For some reason I see VT caving to Beamer and letting him coach another year, which will set them back even farther. Same implications as Miami-need VT to be what they were.
Schafer-I would guess he gets another year there.
I really like the staffs in place at most of the other schools. If these jobs open and some good hires are made, will go a long way to improving the ACC. Predictions?
Only UVA will have a vacancy.
VT gives Beamer another season. Miami keeps Golden after he goes 8-4. Cuse keeps Shafer because they're Cuse. GT will miss a bowl but still keep Johnson despite needing a coach who doesn't run a high school offense and who hasn't gone 43-36* (.544) his last 6 seasons.
*Johnson is currently 41-33 (.554) over his last ~5.5 seasons but I gave him a 2-3 mark down the stretch of this season.
Marge, sadly I could see this happening too. I didn't even mention GT and should have. I like Johnson, but his style just produces too many mediocre years between the occasional big year. Would like to see GT get a young offensive coach in there, its such a good school and recruiting area.
What is there to like about Johnson?
(10-21-2015 11:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]What is there to like about Johnson?
- The gruff no-BS demeanor and and unbridled vitriol at poor performance... especially after Chan's Tom-O'Brien-esk awllllll shucks routine over the better part of a decade.
- The ability to wildly overachieve given the talent on hand. You see anybody else winning the Orange Bowl or clocking 10 win seasons with nothing but 3 star players?
- When GT has lost, 9 times out of 10, the defense and/or special teams have played a far more crucial role in that loss than the offense. Notable exceptions are the Peach Bowl against LSU and Orange Bowl against Iowa and Clemson this year. A pretty solid argument can be made that with a great DC and ST coordinator, they'd be pretty damn successful.
- GT operates at a systemic and deep disadvantage due to self-imposed academic restrictions, severe restrictions in majors offered, a US public education system that ignores STEM but factory farms sociology majors, and operating under a GABOR absolutely dominated by UGAg. These are all problems NO head coach can fix. You need a Homer Rice at AD to deal with these sorts of issues. And the tard from Xavier (!!!!!!) currently in Homer Rice's former office doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
I'm reading more rumors that this is Frank Beamer's last year at VT. Nothing official yet, though.
(10-22-2015 04:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2015 11:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]What is there to like about Johnson?
- The gruff no-BS demeanor and and unbridled vitriol at poor performance... especially after Chan's Tom-O'Brien-esk awllllll shucks routine over the better part of a decade.
- The ability to wildly overachieve given the talent on hand. You see anybody else winning the Orange Bowl or clocking 10 win seasons with nothing but 3 star players?
- When GT has lost, 9 times out of 10, the defense and/or special teams have played a far more crucial role in that loss than the offense. Notable exceptions are the Peach Bowl against LSU and Orange Bowl against Iowa and Clemson this year. A pretty solid argument can be made that with a great DC and ST coordinator, they'd be pretty damn successful.
- GT operates at a systemic and deep disadvantage due to self-imposed academic restrictions, severe restrictions in majors offered, a US public education system that ignores STEM but factory farms sociology majors, and operating under a GABOR absolutely dominated by UGAg. These are all problems NO head coach can fix. You need a Homer Rice at AD to deal with these sorts of issues. And the tard from Xavier (!!!!!!) currently in Homer Rice's former office doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Good post. GT it seems to me is going to need to relieve themselves of some of those ridiculous self imposed handcuffs.
(10-22-2015 05:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I'm reading more rumors that this is Frank Beamer's last year at VT. Nothing official yet, though.
I think that would be great news for VT if true. At one time I thought Bud Foster was a no brainer to take over. Do you even know if they will look at him now or just look at outside candidates?
Foster would be a disaster. I hope they get Herman or Fuente.
(10-22-2015 04:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2015 11:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]What is there to like about Johnson?
- The gruff no-BS demeanor and and unbridled vitriol at poor performance... especially after Chan's Tom-O'Brien-esk awllllll shucks routine over the better part of a decade.
- The ability to wildly overachieve given the talent on hand. You see anybody else winning the Orange Bowl or clocking 10 win seasons with nothing but 3 star players?
- When GT has lost, 9 times out of 10, the defense and/or special teams have played a far more crucial role in that loss than the offense. Notable exceptions are the Peach Bowl against LSU and Orange Bowl against Iowa and Clemson this year. A pretty solid argument can be made that with a great DC and ST coordinator, they'd be pretty damn successful.
- GT operates at a systemic and deep disadvantage due to self-imposed academic restrictions, severe restrictions in majors offered, a US public education system that ignores STEM but factory farms sociology majors, and operating under a GABOR absolutely dominated by UGAg. These are all problems NO head coach can fix. You need a Homer Rice at AD to deal with these sorts of issues. And the tard from Xavier (!!!!!!) currently in Homer Rice's former office doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
I think I threw up in my mouth.
I absolutely love Johnson's ~.500 record the last 6 years. It looks marvelous, darling.
(10-22-2015 09:03 AM)uofl05 Wrote: [ -> ]Foster would be a disaster. I hope they get Herman or Fuente.
+1. I'm sure VT will "look" at Foster, as well as Beamer's son, I just don't think this will be an internal hire. New AD probably wants to put his "stamp" on the program. I just hope they don't go cheap!
Toledo, Bowling Green, Houston, Memphis and Temple all seemingly have good coaches...
I think Mark Stoops is a good coach. Dan Mullen for sure. Maybe Matt Wells at Utah State.
Other than taking a shot at Venables at Clemson, I don't know many coordinators. Not sure of any potential NFL coaching retreads, either.
But there are good options out there, VT. Even though you won't be making a hire until next year.
I could see VT keep Beamer another year but hire the coach in waiting like Oregon did with Chip Kelley. Then he officially takes over in 2017. I think Beamer want to coach the game in Bristol next year.
(10-22-2015 01:04 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote: [ -> ]I could see VT keep Beamer another year but hire the coach in waiting like Oregon did with Chip Kelley. Then he officially takes over in 2017. I think Beamer want to coach the game in Bristol next year.
That's kind of what I was thinking too even though I think Beamer should go this year so they can go ahead and start the rebuilding process. The problem with the coach in waiting strategy is that if you do that you have to get a coordinator as opposed to an experienced head coach. So candidates like Herman and Fuente are out.
The "Coach in Waiting" thing lost it's teeth a few years back when they changed he rules to where the coach CIW had to abide by the same recruiting restrictions as the HC.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-waiting/
Quote:According to the Dallas Morning News, the NCAA recently approved a new rule that limits the amount of contact a designated coach-in-waiting can have with recruits. Basically, the coach-in-waiting will be forced to recruit under the same guidelines as head coaches, meaning less visits with potential recruits than other assistants on the staff.
That's why you haven't heard of any since Jimbo, Muschamp, and Franklin.
(10-22-2015 01:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]The "Coach in Waiting" thing lost it's teeth a few years back when they changed he rules to where the coach CIW had to abide by the same recruiting restrictions as the HC.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-waiting/
Quote:According to the Dallas Morning News, the NCAA recently approved a new rule that limits the amount of contact a designated coach-in-waiting can have with recruits. Basically, the coach-in-waiting will be forced to recruit under the same guidelines as head coaches, meaning less visits with potential recruits than other assistants on the staff.
That's why you haven't heard of any since Jimbo, Muschamp, and Franklin.
I'm sure that has something to do with it but also so many have really had rough transitions. I remember reading a story of how Jimbo Fisher got into it with assistants that were loyal to Bowden. I remember at WVU when Stewart tried to get Holgerson in trouble. Even though those coaches have gone on to do well at both programs I'm sure schools would like to avoid that kind of controversy if possible.
(10-22-2015 01:26 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2015 01:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]The "Coach in Waiting" thing lost it's teeth a few years back when they changed he rules to where the coach CIW had to abide by the same recruiting restrictions as the HC.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-waiting/
Quote:According to the Dallas Morning News, the NCAA recently approved a new rule that limits the amount of contact a designated coach-in-waiting can have with recruits. Basically, the coach-in-waiting will be forced to recruit under the same guidelines as head coaches, meaning less visits with potential recruits than other assistants on the staff.
That's why you haven't heard of any since Jimbo, Muschamp, and Franklin.
I'm sure that has something to do with it but also so many have really had rough transitions. I remember reading a story of how Jimbo Fisher got into it with assistants that were loyal to Bowden. I remember at WVU when Stewart tried to get Holgerson in trouble. Even though those coaches have gone on to do well at both programs I'm sure schools would like to avoid that kind of controversy if possible.
Do tell me what you read. I know of several "rumoured" incidents in the late Bowden years, but that almost seems to imply Fisher was instigating conflict to hasten Bowden's retirement.
I actually think the transition went better than expected. Obvi that doesn't mean it went flawlessly.
(10-22-2015 02:53 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2015 01:26 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2015 01:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]The "Coach in Waiting" thing lost it's teeth a few years back when they changed he rules to where the coach CIW had to abide by the same recruiting restrictions as the HC.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-waiting/
Quote:According to the Dallas Morning News, the NCAA recently approved a new rule that limits the amount of contact a designated coach-in-waiting can have with recruits. Basically, the coach-in-waiting will be forced to recruit under the same guidelines as head coaches, meaning less visits with potential recruits than other assistants on the staff.
That's why you haven't heard of any since Jimbo, Muschamp, and Franklin.
I'm sure that has something to do with it but also so many have really had rough transitions. I remember reading a story of how Jimbo Fisher got into it with assistants that were loyal to Bowden. I remember at WVU when Stewart tried to get Holgerson in trouble. Even though those coaches have gone on to do well at both programs I'm sure schools would like to avoid that kind of controversy if possible.
Do tell me what you read. I know of several "rumoured" incidents in the late Bowden years, but that almost seems to imply Fisher was instigating conflict to hasten Bowden's retirement.
I actually think the transition went better than expected. Obvi that doesn't mean it went flawlessly.
I'll have to see if I can find it. It was about Amato arguing with Jimbo Fisher along the lines of "this is still Bobby's team" or something to that effect.
(10-22-2015 02:53 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2015 01:26 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2015 01:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]The "Coach in Waiting" thing lost it's teeth a few years back when they changed he rules to where the coach CIW had to abide by the same recruiting restrictions as the HC.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-waiting/
Quote:According to the Dallas Morning News, the NCAA recently approved a new rule that limits the amount of contact a designated coach-in-waiting can have with recruits. Basically, the coach-in-waiting will be forced to recruit under the same guidelines as head coaches, meaning less visits with potential recruits than other assistants on the staff.
That's why you haven't heard of any since Jimbo, Muschamp, and Franklin.
I'm sure that has something to do with it but also so many have really had rough transitions. I remember reading a story of how Jimbo Fisher got into it with assistants that were loyal to Bowden. I remember at WVU when Stewart tried to get Holgerson in trouble. Even though those coaches have gone on to do well at both programs I'm sure schools would like to avoid that kind of controversy if possible.
Do tell me what you read. I know of several "rumoured" incidents in the late Bowden years, but that almost seems to imply Fisher was instigating conflict to hasten Bowden's retirement.
I actually think the transition went better than expected. Obvi that doesn't mean it went flawlessly.
I had to search but here are a couple of links I found, yes these were rumors and may not be true but of course the coaches would deny fighting, I just remember a lot of chat about it many years ago:
here you go
Here is a link in which Amato denied the incident happening so for there to be a denial there certainly was a lot of chatter:
Amato Denial
I never implied that Fisher tried to hasten Bowden though, my point was that these transitions rarely seem to go seamlessly or smoothly. Whether these alligations were true or not it still was heavily speculated at the time.