B1G is playing chess while everyone else is playing ckeckers. Why everyone was scratching their heads about the Rutgers and Mayland adds, now it all makes sense plus why they added John Hopkins lacrosse as an associate member. Once the Maryland suit is settled why it means big problems for the future survival of the ACC, now it all makes sense. Best analysis, I ever read on realignment. ESPN isn't running this train, B1G El Presidente's are. It's the R&D dollars and political power under the guise of sports alignment.
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Careful, the ACC Mob is going to come in and get a third thread closed today due to your blatant attacks on The ACC.
over 2 years old. the ACC will be fine. No one is leaving there anytime soon
(10-14-2015 07:38 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote: [ -> ]B1G is playing chess while everyone else is playing ckeckers. Why everyone was scratching their heads about the Rutgers and Mayland adds. Now it all makes sense why they added John Hopkins lacrosse as an associate member. Once the Maryland suit is settled why it means big problems for the future survival of the ACC, now it all makes sense. Best analysis, I ever read on realignment. ESPN isn't running this train, El Presidente's are.
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Hoping to get the B1G invite I take it?
This was discussed ad nauseum in 2010/2011 when the B1G ultimately took Nebraska while eschewing other research powers. I won't repeat what I wrote in the other dumb thread about this, but rest assured that if this was REALLY about research, Nebraska would have never been considered let alone invited to the B1G considering it was common knowledge that they were getting the boot from the AAU...
Because this blog was done in 2013 makes it no less relevant I make the argument it makes it more IMO. because things are still being played out like the lawsuit.
it's such an old blog that it's before the ACC did the Grant of Rights which was a game changer. So kind of moot to bring up at this point.
A loss of fsu by the ACC would be crippling beyond repair.
We know the Big 10 will not stop. If the ACC do not get the attractive tv contract? How many schools will leave?
Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech will say yes, and will leave for the Big 10. North Carolina and Virginia may follow them. Big 10 will have a coop on their hands if 5 schools leave.
The SEC could swoop in to take Virginia Tech, NC State, Louisville and Pittsburgh.
Syracuse could go to the Big 10 as well.
That would leave Duke, Notre Dame, Boston College, Miami, and Wake Forest. ACC will backfill with West Virginia, Cincinnati, U. Conn., U. Mass., Navy, USF, UCF, East Carolina, Tample and Georgia Southern.
Big 12 can take Toledo, Memphis, Houston, Northern Illinois, Colorado State, BYU and Boise State.
If the Big 10 comes and take Kansas and Oklahoma? Big 12 can take New Mexico and UNR. AAC would be no more. Tulsa and SMU with maybe UTSA, UTEP, North Dakota State and Eastern Washington joins the MWC.
The P5 could come down to a P2. PAC 12 will have a hard time to be powerful because they have a lack of schools to take to be as powerful as the Big 12. They need to look at Boise State and BYU, plus some strong academic research schools in San Diego State, UNR, Cal-Davis, New Mexico, Utah State, Air Force, Idaho, Montana State, Wyoming. Air Force and Colorado State. I know some schools would be holding your nose to accept, but to stay powerful? You need to take risks which sometimes gives you rewards.
Why do you think the SEC and ACC work together? Why do you think the SEC and ACC with ESPN's cooperation seek other AAU schools for membership? You do realize that it doesn't take conference realignment to derail the B1G research dollar domination don't you? A simple consortium of Southern and Southwestern research schools (sans conference affiliation is and has been discussed).
Count the votes: Duke, Pittsburgh, North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Texas, Kansas, Emory, Tulsa, Tulane, and Rice.
Yep that's 15. The Big 10 needed to push into North Carolina and Virginia to split key states so that they maintained a stronger lobby presence. It doesn't influence how grants are handed out but it could influence how they get appropriated and the requirements contained in those coming from the Feds.
I've known this for a while and it's why there is a hidden thread on the SEC board about our counter plan.
Whoopie! The whole concept is so stupid as to be unbelievable, but because it was conceived what it really reveals is not some chess playing grand leader, but ultimate desperation when reading the tea leaves of the shifting demographics in the American political spectrum. Yes it's about research dollars and they are using sports to try to sew up just a smidgen of influence. That's pathetic, not brilliant, and it is so easily checked and checkmated.
That's why nobody worthwhile is coming running when Delaney's finger crooks their way, not Notre Dame, not Virginia, not North Carolina, and certainly not Georgia Tech. Texas doesn't worry or care. Kansas?
So "Yawn". Have fun with the Der Fuhrer's big plan. Barbarossa is what he named it wasn't it? But unlike Moscow it's the Summers that are harsh. So Ya'll dress accordingly ya hear!
The counter attack by the Big 10 and the northern schools is to reinstate Nebraska as an AAU membership. Give Cincinnati, Toledo, U. Mass., U.Conn., Temple, North Dakota State, North Dakota, South Dakota State, Montana State, Idaho and Colorado State as AAU status.
Both Rice and Tulane are falling and losing power, and they could lose their AAU status. Losing those 2 could hurt the southern schools in voting power.
(10-14-2015 08:41 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you think the SEC and ACC work together? Why do you think the SEC and ACC with ESPN's cooperation seek other AAU schools for membership? You do realize that it doesn't take conference realignment to derail the B1G research dollar domination don't you? A simple consortium of Southern and Southwestern research schools (sans conference affiliation is and has been discussed).
Count the votes: Duke, Pittsburgh, North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Texas, Kansas, Emory, Tulsa, Tulane, and Rice.
Yep that's 15. The Big 10 needed to push into North Carolina and Virginia to split key states so that they maintained a stronger lobby presence. It doesn't influence how grants are handed out but it could influence how they get appropriated and the requirements contained in those coming from the Feds.
I've known this for a while and it's why there is a hidden thread on the SEC board about our counter plan.
Whoopie! The whole concept is so stupid as to be unbelievable, but because it was conceived what it really reveals is not some chess playing grand leader, but ultimate desperation when reading the tea leaves of the shifting demographics in the American political spectrum. Yes it's about research dollars and they are using sports to try to sew up just a smidgen of influence. That's pathetic, not brilliant, and it is so easily checked and checkmated.
That's why nobody worthwhile is coming running when Delaney's finger crooks their way, not Notre Dame, not Virginia, not North Carolina, and certainly not Georgia Tech. Texas doesn't worry or care. Kansas?
So "Yawn". Have fun with the Der Fuhrer's big plan. Barbarossa is what he named it wasn't it? But unlike Moscow it's the Summers that are harsh. So Ya'll dress accordingly ya hear!
Right, anyone says anything about The Big Ten negatively and we are all about calling them haters....yet here you are comparing Delany to Hitler.
We are the haters?
Whatever, you Are a hater and that is obvious with your rhetoric. Don't try and act otherwise as if you want quality conversation after you make posts like this.
(10-14-2015 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]The counter attack by the Big 10 and the northern schools is to reinstate Nebraska as an AAU membership. Give Cincinnati, Toledo, U. Mass., U.Conn., Temple, North Dakota State, North Dakota, South Dakota State, Montana State, Idaho and Colorado State as AAU status.
Both Rice and Tulane are falling and losing power, and they could lose their AAU status. Losing those 2 could hurt the southern schools in voting power.
David there will be no counter attack because there isn't going to be a big push by the B1G. If there was there are ample means to counter but there isn't going to be the need to do so. The AAU doesn't operate that way. I don't believe Big 10 presidents are so stupid to think that they do, or that those in the South would feel the need to respond. What the ones in the South have talked about is simply becoming more of a cooperating unit. But those kinds of project sharing moves already occur between schools in different conferences for various projects and do so freely. I was having some sport with the idiocy of the thread and the pomposity of the article that spun it.
So I gave those pushing this asinine paranoid crap a dose of it back.
Try talking about something you know something about. Rice is not in danger of losing research status and nobody is getting booted as a political reprisal. Sheesh!
Delany was after big game in 2010, Texas and/or ND.
That was all the propaganda talk then. I remember all of the "Delany is a genius", " Delany is the smartest man in sports" and "Delany has checkmated ND" talk back then.
He went 0-2 with that grand plan but recovered nicely with Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland.
I recall the surprised reactions in Big 10 and Big 12 land when the ACC/ND deal and the ACC grant of rights were announced.
Those caught most people completely off guard.
The Big Ten has done well but let's not get too carried away here. The CIC impact on realignment is pretty overblown in that old link.
I am not an "ACC guy" but checkers my ass.
Such a cliched statement over the checkered Big Ten expansion moves since 2010 (No Texas, no ND, no North Carolina, no Virginia, etc....) is more propaganda than reality.
Let's pat the Big Ten on the back but not go too overboard, shall we?
(Especially with a three year old Michigan fanboy blog).
Ok, come on...why do I have to make the counter statement for all of you? Did any of you actually read it? The Blogger stated that if JHU joined it would actually be for the CIC and not for Lacrosse yet now JHU is part of the conference for Lacrosse but isn't joining the CIC.
Do your homework folks and actually come up with solid retorts instead of this insulting and generalistic garbage. That blog looked nice on the cover but it was propaganda just as much as propaganda from the south is propaganda.
Now, seriously...get over yourselves with all the attack BS around here. You aren't as good at it as me.
Didn't I just say it was propaganda? :)
I don't care what the Big Ten (or Big 12 or SEC) does regarding expansion, but over the top statements like "playing chess" will prompt a response by me.
(10-14-2015 09:13 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't I just say it was propaganda? :)
I don't care what the Big Ten (or Big 12 or SEC) does regarding expansion, but over the top statements like "playing chess" will prompt a response by me.
Look at the time stamps on our posts. Mine wasn't to yours. It really wasn't to anyone's. Just tired of the way tonight is going.
(10-14-2015 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]The counter attack by the Big 10 and the northern schools is to reinstate Nebraska as an AAU membership. Give Cincinnati, Toledo, U. Mass., U.Conn., Temple, North Dakota State, North Dakota, South Dakota State, Montana State, Idaho and Colorado State as AAU status.
Both Rice and Tulane are falling and losing power, and they could lose their AAU status. Losing those 2 could hurt the southern schools in voting power.
It was Big 10 schools who sealed Nebraska's fate. Had Michigan and Wisconsin not voted to kick them out, Nebraska would still be AAU. The Big 12 schools unanimously voted to keep them in.
Please someone make the stupidity stop. If anyone thinks conference commissioners are playing chess, then I'm playing chess in 3D... Enough about research dollars and athletic conferences. They're mutually exclusive.
Miko, I'm beginning to understand more and more why you didn't take this board seriously for such a long time.