We've had a lot of changes in our league recently and I was curious how we were doing in out of conference FBS wins since those changes. For this thread I wanted to define the regular season out of conference FBS wins for teams currently in the Sun Belt while a Sun Belt member.
4 - South Alabama (SDSU 2015, Kent State 2014, Tulane 2013, Kent State 2013)
3 - Texas State (Tulsa 2014, USM 2013, Wyoming 2013)
2 - Appalachian State (Old Dominion 2015, Wyoming 2015)
2 - Louisiana Monroe (Wake Forest 2014, Wake Forest 2013)
1 - Arkansas State (Utah State 2014)
1 - Georgia Southern (Western Michigan 2015)
1 - Louisiana Lafayette (Akron 2013)
1 - Troy (UAB 2013)
0 - Georgia State
0 - Idaho
0 - NMSU
Please note that OOC games are not yet complete for this year. Georgia Southern has Georgia, Idaho has Auburn, and Louisiana Monroe has Tulsa.
Since I'm doing regular season while only a member, I felt I would recognize the bowl wins and wins for teams not yet in the conference for the same period.
2 - Louisiana Lafayette (Tulane 2013, Nevada 2014)
1 - Georgia Southern (Florida 2013)
1 - Idaho (Temple 2013)
1 - Arkansas State (Ball State 2013)
We've GOT to win more games to gain respect as a league. I must say I'm a little surprised at the numbers.
Please let me know if I've missed anything.
So this is confusing?
Why not include ULM's victory over Bama in 2007? Where are all of ULL's wins? Or the bowl victories where we beat out of conference foes?
Am I missing something. Yes the SBC is bad, but we've had our fair share of giant killers.
(10-06-2015 10:12 AM)soar#417 Wrote: [ -> ]So this is confusing?
Why not include ULM's victory over Bama in 2007? Where are all of ULL's wins? Or the bowl victories where we beat out of conference foes?
Am I missing something. Yes the SBC is bad, but we've had our fair share of giant killers.
since 2013
LOLS i read good...proceed
(10-06-2015 10:18 AM)soar#417 Wrote: [ -> ]LOLS i read good...proceed
Yeah. Since 2013. My point in that year is that's when MTSU, FAU, UNT, and FIU were in CUSA and when GSU and TXST joined. WKU left in 2014. App State, GS, NMSU, and Idaho joined in 2014. The teams that left represented some of our previous OOC wins. If we want to improve we have to do it out of conference. No ifs, ands, or buts.
(10-06-2015 10:45 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 10:18 AM)soar#417 Wrote: [ -> ]LOLS i read good...proceed
Yeah. Since 2013. My point in that year is that's when MTSU, FAU, UNT, and FIU were in CUSA and when GSU and TXST joined. WKU left in 2014. App State, GS, NMSU, and Idaho joined in 2014. The teams that left represented some of our previous OOC wins. If we want to improve we have to do it out of conference. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Not sure you need to throw away current members pre-2013 OOC wins just because FAU left.
The point remains, at any given time we should be able to pull the last three years of OOC data and see that the top half members have won a minimum of three OOC FBS games.
Thanks for pulling that data together.
(10-06-2015 11:39 AM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 10:45 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 10:18 AM)soar#417 Wrote: [ -> ]LOLS i read good...proceed
Yeah. Since 2013. My point in that year is that's when MTSU, FAU, UNT, and FIU were in CUSA and when GSU and TXST joined. WKU left in 2014. App State, GS, NMSU, and Idaho joined in 2014. The teams that left represented some of our previous OOC wins. If we want to improve we have to do it out of conference. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Not sure you need to throw away current members pre-2013 OOC wins just because FAU left.
In 2012 the SBC had UNT, WKU, MTSU, FAU, and FIU. We did not have GSU, GS, App State, Texas State, NMSU, or Idaho. USA was in its transitional year. I respect wins precious to 2013, but the conference was drastically different.
I think going back to 2010 might be acceptable, but the end result is not enough OOC regular season wins. Although I do like any stat that shows South being the best. The biggest stat is the lack of P5 wins, and I know Wake is a P5 school, but c'mon, they are in it name only, like Vandy.
Was it 2012 when ULM beat ArKansas??? Can't believe it has been that long.
Not sure if it counts, but astate beat Idaho in a ooc game in 2013 that was agreed to before the vandals joined the sbc.
It also might be worth looking at the ooc losses since that time. There are a lot of p5 losses in there that are hardly surprising
Just to flip this around a little bit I wanted to show out the former Belt boys what they have accomplished...
WKU: (Time in the Sunbelt: 2009-2013)
SBC Championships: 0
Bowl Appearances: 1 (2012 Little Caesar's Bowl Lost to CMU)
Overall SBC Record: 24-36
CUSA: 2014-Present
Division/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 1 (2014 Popeye's Bahama Bowl Defeated CMU)
CUSA Record as of 10/6/2015: 6-4
Middle Tennessee: (Time in Sunbelt 2001-2012)
SBC Championships: 2 (2001, 2006 both co-shared with North Texas in 01 and Troy in 06)
Bowl Appearances: 3 (2006 Motor City Bowl Lost to CMU, 2009 New Orleans Bowl Won over Southern Miss, 2011 Godaddy Bowl Lost to Miami (OH) ).
Overall SBC Record: 50-37
CUSA 2013-Present
CUSA Division/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 1 (2013 Armed Forces Bowl Lost to Navy)
CUSA Record: 12-5* (this includes the one conference game they've played so far in 2015, a victory over Charlotte).
FIU: Time in the Sunbelt (2005-2012)
SBC Championships: 1 (2010 Co-shared with Troy)
Bowl Appearances: 2 (2010 Little Caesar's Bowl Won over Toledo, 2011 St. Petersburg Bowl Lost to Marshall)
Overall SBC Record: 23-37
CUSA: 2013-Present
CUSA DIvision/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 0
CUSA Record: 4-13* ('15 games included so far)
Florida Atlantic: Time in the Sunbelt (2005-2012)
SBC Championships: 1 (2007 co-shared with Troy)
Bowl Appearances: 2 (2007 New Orleans Bowl won over Memphis, 2008 Motor City Bowl Won over CMU)
Overall SBC Record: 26-33
CUSA: 2013-Present
Division/CUSA Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 0
CUSA Record as of 10/6/15: 7-11
North Texas: Time in the Sunbelt (2001-2012)
SBC Championships: 4 (2001-2004, shared 2001 with MTSU)
Bowl Appearances: 4 (New Orleans Bowl 2001-2004 Lost to Colorado State, Memphis and Southern Miss, Defeated Cincinnati).
Overall SBC Record: 41-45
CUSA: 2013-Present
Division/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearance: 1 (2013 Heart of Dallas Bowl defeated UNLV)
CUSA Record as of 10/6/15: 8-10
(10-06-2015 11:56 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]The point remains, at any given time we should be able to pull the last three years of OOC data and see that the top half members have won a minimum of three OOC FBS games.
Thanks for pulling that data together.
But that is not taking into account scheduling. For instance, astate has only one ooc fbs win since 2013 that's not Idaho, but 6 of our losses were to p5 teams
We literally are just now recovering from a previous ad whose idea of an ooc slate was two ranked p5 guarantees, an fcs and Memphis.
P5 wins against down SEC teams are great. But to really get somewhere you need to beat Utah State, Boise, Toledo, Northern Illinois, Houston, Rice, Southern Miss, Colorado State, etc. on a regular basis. If your conference beats the better G5 teams when they meet head to head regularly, your perception will follow.
You would have to also have to list of the losses to give it context. For instance a win over Kent St when another team played Alabama is not an apples to oranges comparison.
This was TXSTs first year as a FBS team to not win a FBS OOC game. Beat Houston in 2012 (lost to Texas Tech and Wyoming).
(10-06-2015 11:59 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 11:39 AM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 10:45 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 10:18 AM)soar#417 Wrote: [ -> ]LOLS i read good...proceed
Yeah. Since 2013. My point in that year is that's when MTSU, FAU, UNT, and FIU were in CUSA and when GSU and TXST joined. WKU left in 2014. App State, GS, NMSU, and Idaho joined in 2014. The teams that left represented some of our previous OOC wins. If we want to improve we have to do it out of conference. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Not sure you need to throw away current members pre-2013 OOC wins just because FAU left.
In 2012 the SBC had UNT, WKU, MTSU, FAU, and FIU. We did not have GSU, GS, App State, Texas State, NMSU, or Idaho. USA was in its transitional year. I respect wins precious to 2013, but the conference was drastically different.
It was...yet that has no effect on a ULL or A-State or ULM OOC game from that time.
(10-06-2015 12:16 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote: [ -> ]Just to flip this around a little bit I wanted to show out the former Belt boys what they have accomplished...
WKU: (Time in the Sunbelt: 2009-2013)
SBC Championships: 0
Bowl Appearances: 1 (2012 Little Caesar's Bowl Lost to CMU)
Overall SBC Record: 24-36
CUSA: 2014-Present
Division/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 1 (2014 Popeye's Bahama Bowl Defeated CMU)
CUSA Record as of 10/6/2015: 6-4
Middle Tennessee: (Time in Sunbelt 2001-2012)
SBC Championships: 2 (2001, 2006 both co-shared with North Texas in 01 and Troy in 06)
Bowl Appearances: 3 (2006 Motor City Bowl Lost to CMU, 2009 New Orleans Bowl Won over Southern Miss, 2011 Godaddy Bowl Lost to Miami (OH) ).
Overall SBC Record: 50-37
CUSA 2013-Present
CUSA Division/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 1 (2013 Armed Forces Bowl Lost to Navy)
CUSA Record: 12-5* (this includes the one conference game they've played so far in 2015, a victory over Charlotte).
FIU: Time in the Sunbelt (2005-2012)
SBC Championships: 1 (2010 Co-shared with Troy)
Bowl Appearances: 2 (2010 Little Caesar's Bowl Won over Toledo, 2011 St. Petersburg Bowl Lost to Marshall)
Overall SBC Record: 23-37
CUSA: 2013-Present
CUSA DIvision/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 0
CUSA Record: 4-13* ('15 games included so far)
Florida Atlantic: Time in the Sunbelt (2005-2012)
SBC Championships: 1 (2007 co-shared with Troy)
Bowl Appearances: 2 (2007 New Orleans Bowl won over Memphis, 2008 Motor City Bowl Won over CMU)
Overall SBC Record: 26-33
CUSA: 2013-Present
Division/CUSA Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearances: 0
CUSA Record as of 10/6/15: 7-11
North Texas: Time in the Sunbelt (2001-2012)
SBC Championships: 4 (2001-2004, shared 2001 with MTSU)
Bowl Appearances: 4 (New Orleans Bowl 2001-2004 Lost to Colorado State, Memphis and Southern Miss, Defeated Cincinnati).
Overall SBC Record: 41-45
CUSA: 2013-Present
Division/Conference Titles: 0
Bowl Appearance: 1 (2013 Heart of Dallas Bowl defeated UNLV)
CUSA Record as of 10/6/15: 8-10
Also, to compare the same way:
OOC FBS wins since 2013
7 - WKU (2015- Vandy, Miami OH, 2014 - Bowling Green, Navy, Army, 2013 - Kentucky, Navy)
3 - UNT (2014 - SMU, 2013 - Idaho, Ball State)
2 - FAU (2014 - Tulsa, 2013 - South Florida)
1 - MTSU ( 2013 - Memphis)
1 - FIU (2015 - Central Florida)
All I'm saying is we have to win more OOC games. If you're playing Alabama and Georgia and LSU every year, maybe your AD should rethink scheduling. Wins or money games? Limit money games to one per season? Something has to give.
(10-06-2015 12:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 11:56 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]The point remains, at any given time we should be able to pull the last three years of OOC data and see that the top half members have won a minimum of three OOC FBS games.
Thanks for pulling that data together.
But that is not taking into account scheduling. For instance, astate has only one ooc fbs win since 2013 that's not Idaho, but 6 of our losses were to p5 teams
We literally are just now recovering from a previous ad whose idea of an ooc slate was two ranked p5 guarantees, an fcs and Memphis.
Fair point, but it is also a fair point that all SBC members should be striving for OOC games that allow for a minimum of one FBS OOC win per year.
If we continue operating the same as ever and expect different results, well you know.
What is the Sun Belt's record against each other G5 conference in that time frame?
(10-06-2015 02:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 12:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015 11:56 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: [ -> ]The point remains, at any given time we should be able to pull the last three years of OOC data and see that the top half members have won a minimum of three OOC FBS games.
Thanks for pulling that data together.
But that is not taking into account scheduling. For instance, astate has only one ooc fbs win since 2013 that's not Idaho, but 6 of our losses were to p5 teams
We literally are just now recovering from a previous ad whose idea of an ooc slate was two ranked p5 guarantees, an fcs and Memphis.
Fair point, but it is also a fair point that all SBC members should be striving for OOC games that allow for a minimum of one FBS OOC win per year.
If we continue operating the same as ever and expect different results, well you know.
Even then, you don't control how good a team is when you play them. Mizzou was coming off a 4-8 season and Toledo was an above average G5 when they were scheduled several years ago