http://www.forbes.com/sites/briangoff/20...relevance/
Make a few great points. Also, toward the end throw a dig a Notre Dame regarding the same thing...or at least being watchful of ND on the same path.
Recruiting (lack of) is the big point of the article but the with a few reasons below.
1. Texas A&M joining the SEC
2. Texas decline of the SEC, Pac-12 and CU and NU leaving the Big 12 having more second tier interest in the conference than first tier.
3. Longhorn Network (wanting the cash from it rather than joining a stronger conference)
As for ND he states that the Mega-conferences are muting the ND NBC TV advantage it had once and how the recruiting at ND is trending that way also.
I didn't take that as a dig at all.
Can they really blame not being in the SEC when TCU and Baylor are kicking their butts?
(09-09-2015 08:06 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.forbes.com/sites/briangoff/20...relevance/
Make a few great points. Also, toward the end throw a dig a Notre Dame regarding the same thing...or at least being watchful of ND on the same path.
Recruiting (lack of) is the big point of the article but the with a few reasons below.
1. Texas A&M joining the SEC
2. Texas decline of the SEC, Pac-12 and CU and NU leaving the Big 12 having more second tier interest in the conference than first tier.
3. Longhorn Network (wanting the cash from it rather than joining a stronger conference)
As for ND he states that the Mega-conferences are muting the ND NBC TV advantage it had once and how the recruiting at ND is trending that way also.
Good article
Texas is victim of its own ego.
Nothing is changing; it will get worse before it gets better. But, it will get better.
I really do agree with what the article says about Texas recruiting with regards to A&M. Where before A&M was always Texas little brother- that's just not the case any more. If anything A&M is now the big brother to Texas.
Where I would say about Notre Dame with regards to Texas- With the mega conferences we have now- Texas going independent wouldn't provide the mega advantage that it would have years ago. It's not a golden egg.
Baylor fans at their fan forum are not to happy with Texas calling Texas leaders as Pr#@ks and so forth. They want their school out of the Big 12 and join the ACC. If you are starting to pissed off fans of the other Texas schools? Watch out. Trouble is brewing with the 4 Texas schools in the Big 12.
Anyone with a Brain could see the advantage of being a Football School and Being in the SEC. Sometimes Egos can bring You down.
This SEC fan is glad they aren't in the SEC. Texas is conference poison. They are a bad addition in the end to any conference.
(09-09-2015 08:54 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]This SEC fan is glad they aren't in the SEC. Texas is conference poison. They are a bad addition in the end to any conference.
bingo, have caused problems no matter where they are..
(09-09-2015 08:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]Texas is victim of its own ego.
Texas is the victim of the same thing that turned Tennessee from a national power into an also ran continually in rebuilding mode - an AD out of touch with the current reality. That can destroy a program faster than anything, and Texas' administration was in the other dimension with 'em.
That's why I'm so glad WVU ousted former AD Eddie Pastilong when they did. Had he remained WVU's AD, the Mountaineers would most likely be outside the power conference structure, looking in enviously.
(09-09-2015 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I really do agree with what the article says about Texas recruiting with regards to A&M. Where before A&M was always Texas little brother- that's just not the case any more. If anything A&M is now the big brother to Texas.
Where I would say about Notre Dame with regards to Texas- With the mega conferences we have now- Texas going independent wouldn't provide the mega advantage that it would have years ago. It's not a golden egg.
Texas will be fine. Most of the comments on recruiting ignore history and reality.
Nothing has changed yet in recruiting regarding conferences. The Big 12 and Texas A&M are still getting the same number of recruits they always have. LSU is still picking off only 4 or 5 good ones. A&M is doing slightly better in-state than Texas, but that has happened before as well. From 2000-2010 A&M was way down in recruiting compared to the 80s and 90s.
Last year, Texas was ranked #9 in recruiting, just ahead of A&M at #10. On commitments this year, Baylor leads the way among Texas schools. Last I looked they were #13, A&M #19 and TCU #21. Texas had a slow start and was well down the list, but also had fewer commitments than anyone else in the top 40, leaving a lot of room for moving up, as they did late last year.
This story is a bunch of crap. A bunch of conclusions without a lot of evidence. Texas decline began before A&M left and can easily be solved with the right coach.
If Briles can turn Baylor into a top 10 team, then Texas has no excuse. Texas problem is not A&M, its Baylor and TCU.
As for Notre Dame, they just went to the BCS NCG in 2012 and they just blew out Texas. There is nothing wrong with Notre Dame now that they have Kelly as the coach.
look at Texas recruiting....
2006 #3
2007 #3
2008 #10
2009- #3
2010- #2
2011- #5
2012- #3
2013- #16
2014- #16
2015- #9
And what year did Texas A&M go to the SEC? That's right 2012-13(so 13 1st recruiting class).
(09-09-2015 09:45 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]look at Texas recruiting....
2006 #3
2007 #3
2008 #10
2009- #3
2010- #2
2011- #5
2012- #3
2013- #16
2014- #16
2015- #9
And what year did Texas A&M go to the SEC? That's right 2012-13(so 13 1st recruiting class).
2013 Texas had better average recruits than A&M. But Texas only had 15 scholarships available while A&M signed 33 or 34. 2014 UT changed coaches late and lost a bunch of recruits in the transition. Charlie Strong didn't name his staff for several weeks even after his late hiring.
More a correlation is this-W/L year by year:
2005 13-0
2006 10-3
2007 10-3
2008 12-1
2009 13-1
2010 5-7
2011 8-5
2012 9-4
2013 8-5
2014 6-7
2012 was ranked #18. The other years since 2009 weren't ranked.
Not that Kevin Sumlin hasn't been a factor. He's a very good recruiter. But most of the decline is simply that Texas isn't winning like it was.
except the problem with your theory..
2010 5-7 season. 2011 recruiting class #5
2011 8-5 season. 2012 recruiting class #3
2012 9-4 season. A&M moves to SEC. 2013 recruiting class #16
so no the bad seasons wasn't what did it. It was the A&M move to the SEC that changed things.
(09-09-2015 09:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2015 08:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]Texas is victim of its own ego.
Texas is the victim of the same thing that turned Tennessee from a national power into an also ran continually in rebuilding mode - an AD out of touch with the current reality. That can destroy a program faster than anything, and Texas' administration was in the other dimension with 'em.
That's why I'm so glad WVU ousted former AD Eddie Pastilong when they did. Had he remained WVU's AD, the Mountaineers would most likely be outside the power conference structure, looking in enviously.
Agree
But, as far as Texas is concerned, I like it.
(09-09-2015 08:28 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Click bait.
Even worse than that. Forbes is apparently desperate for internet traffic but too cheap to hire writers, so they let any rando off the street call himself a Forbes "contributor" and put whatever he writes on Forbes' website, and try to make the reader believe it's the work of a writer who works for Forbes.
In other words, Forbes' website is a cut-rate version of Bleacher Report, except worse, because Bleacher Report doesn't try to deceive casual readers into thinking that unedited Joe-off-the-street content is the product of a legacy magazine.
It's a deeper problem than just recruiting. They have structural issues and booster issues. Nobody is actually running that program. There is a committee of high powered boosters with competing views and interests meddling in all of it.
Until that changes, and some leadership emerges, Texas will continue to slide. That's why I said it will get worse before it gets better.
(09-09-2015 10:04 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]except the problem with your theory..
2010 5-7 season. 2011 recruiting class #5
2011 8-5 season. 2012 recruiting class #3
2012 9-4 season. A&M moves to SEC. 2013 recruiting class #16
so no the bad seasons wasn't what did it. It was the A&M move to the SEC that changed things.
No, it was expectations and history. One bad season doesn't change a decade of winning. 2010 was viewed as a fluke.
And again, Texas didn't have many scholarships available in 2013. USC had the highest average recruit rating that year, but was rated in the mid-teens because they only had about a dozen scholarships. Texas was 7th or 8th.
This year, so far, Baylor is doing better than anyone else. They've had 3 good seasons in a row.