The realignment nuts online always talk about the Big 12 as most vulnerable to be poached and in a bad position moving forward. No one talks about the ACC being vulnerable. Why not? Historically, the ACC was never a true power conference. In the 80's they were much like the WAC. They added Florida St and perception changed a bit, but then they added 6 Big East schools from the pro NFL and not college football friendly East Coast, who are not blue bloods or even state flag ship schools. Adding Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech are not going to make the conference as respected as the 4 other "P4" conferences. Take away Florida St and the ACC is not a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. They lost 1 of their whopping 3 flagships (Maryland) and the other two, Virginia and North Carolina are no Oklahoma. Florida St and Virginia Tech leave for the Big 12 before Texas ever goes to the ACC. Big 10 or SEC snatches Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or Florida St before Big 12 loses any of their schools. The Notre Dame Olympic sport arrangement won't save them either. The Big East thought that and they don't even have a football conference now. The ACC is in trouble and won't be a "P5" next Bowl/playoff contract. Write it down! Cheers!
That may be but I'd take an invite in a HEARTBEAT.
And I disagree on your comment about taking away FSU and the ACC being a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. I think even without FSU they are a lot better....I'm talking your average year.
ACC getting poached and deciding they need a bigger geographic footprint is one of the only ways SMU and Houston can get in P5. The ACC's biggest issue is they have 4 teams in a fairly small demographic (NC) and V tech really didn't add anything they didn't already have. In other words they have the most overlap among their members as far as what the conference delivers in eyeballs - which is what drives most of the revenue. Problem is they won't lose v tech, Wake or NC state, they will lose the more valuable members.
(09-07-2015 11:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]The realignment nuts online always talk about the Big 12 as most vulnerable to be poached and in a bad position moving forward. No one talks about the ACC being vulnerable. Why not? Historically, the ACC was never a true power conference. In the 80's they were much like the WAC. They added Florida St and perception changed a bit, but then they added 6 Big East schools from the pro NFL and not college football friendly East Coast, who are not blue bloods or even state flag ship schools. Adding Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech are not going to make the conference as respected as the 4 other "P4" conferences. Take away Florida St and the ACC is not a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. They lost 1 of their whopping 3 flagships (Maryland) and the other two, Virginia and North Carolina are no Oklahoma. Florida St and Virginia Tech leave for the Big 12 before Texas ever goes to the ACC. Big 10 or SEC snatches Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or Florida St before Big 12 loses any of their schools. The Notre Dame Olympic sport arrangement won't save them either. The Big East thought that and they don't even have a football conference now. The ACC is in trouble and won't be a "P5" next Bowl/playoff contract. Write it down! Cheers!
Lol...the ACC has a GoR that last longer than the Big XII GoR and really everyone in current P5 leagues will be in a Power League under some banner or another...everyone that was a full original member of the old BIG EAST including Rutgers is in a current P5 league with Louisville, TCU & Utah getting call ups...hopefully a BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, UCF, USF & Memphis will one day join the cartel.
(09-07-2015 11:56 AM)gostangs Wrote: [ -> ]ACC getting poached and deciding they need a bigger geographic footprint is one of the only ways SMU and Houston can get in P5. The ACC's biggest issue is they have 4 teams in a fairly small demographic (NC) and V tech really didn't add anything they didn't already have. In other words they have the most overlap among their members as far as what the conference delivers in eyeballs - which is what drives most of the revenue. Problem is they won't lose v tech, Wake or NC state, they will lose the more valuable members.
You understand that Oklahoma president is rumored to be sniffing around and the Big XII has the smallest footprint of the P5 leagues...also, iUNC, UVa and GT has already rumored to having turned down the B1G...
(09-07-2015 11:51 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]That may be
Fify
That's all you had to say. Every thread doesn't have to be the same drivel you say in every thread.
And that's ok.
Weakest giant is still better off than the strongest midget....
(09-07-2015 11:56 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]The realignment nuts online always talk about the Big 12 as most vulnerable to be poached and in a bad position moving forward. No one talks about the ACC being vulnerable. Why not? Historically, the ACC was never a true power conference. In the 80's they were much like the WAC. They added Florida St and perception changed a bit, but then they added 6 Big East schools from the pro NFL and not college football friendly East Coast, who are not blue bloods or even state flag ship schools. Adding Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech are not going to make the conference as respected as the 4 other "P4" conferences. Take away Florida St and the ACC is not a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. They lost 1 of their whopping 3 flagships (Maryland) and the other two, Virginia and North Carolina are no Oklahoma. Florida St and Virginia Tech leave for the Big 12 before Texas ever goes to the ACC. Big 10 or SEC snatches Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or Florida St before Big 12 loses any of their schools. The Notre Dame Olympic sport arrangement won't save them either. The Big East thought that and they don't even have a football conference now. The ACC is in trouble and won't be a "P5" next Bowl/playoff contract. Write it down! Cheers!
really everyone in current P5 leagues will be in a Power League under some banner or another.
That's far from historically true.
UConn, USF, Cinci, and Temple, were bcs (power) and had that status stolen. The same scenario can happen to Louisville. I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.
(09-07-2015 11:51 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]That may be but I'd take an invite in a HEARTBEAT.
And I disagree on your comment about taking away FSU and the ACC being a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. I think even without FSU they are a lot better....I'm talking your average year.
I'm predicting the ACC loses schools to the SEC and Big 10, then finally the Big 12. What will be left over: BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake, NC St, Miami, Duke, Louisville. Very Big East looking. It'll be good in hoops, just not a football power. And yes, if Cincinnati or UCONN were to be invited to the ACC tomorrow, they accept the invite in half a second. But do UCONN and Cincinnati add anything to the football perception of the ACC? HE!! no.
Carolina and UVA are no Oklahoma? WTF? Hmmm..do you really want to argue who has a more powerful brand - the Tar Heels or the Sooners? Really? And UVA is one of the most prestigious universities in the world.
People need to understand that when you get to that level of prestige, it's 97% what you do off the field/court, and 3% what you do on it. Football performance and W/L's in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville are completely irrelevant to their power, and in turn the power of the ACC.
The ACC is far, far, far from weak. Especially considering none of their foundational members want to leave. Do you really think anyone truly gives a sh*t about Maryland?
It's like looking at the growth of TCU in the B12 but on steroids...in the ACC VT is a good example. Anyone who is attached to the power that is UNC, UVA, GT, FL State, Clemson - the rest doesn't matter...those schools instantly gain prestigious credibility because they are aligned with brands that are immortal.
(09-07-2015 11:58 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:56 AM)gostangs Wrote: [ -> ]ACC getting poached and deciding they need a bigger geographic footprint is one of the only ways SMU and Houston can get in P5. The ACC's biggest issue is they have 4 teams in a fairly small demographic (NC) and V tech really didn't add anything they didn't already have. In other words they have the most overlap among their members as far as what the conference delivers in eyeballs - which is what drives most of the revenue. Problem is they won't lose v tech, Wake or NC state, they will lose the more valuable members.
You understand that Oklahoma president is rumored to be sniffing around and the Big XII has the smallest footprint of the P5 leagues...also, iUNC, UVa and GT has already rumored to having turned down the B1G...
I do realize it. They won't sniff around the ACC though.
(09-07-2015 12:06 PM)8BitPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Weakest giant is still better off than the strongest midget....
The Big East (AAC)/ACC pissing contest has been going on forever. Its never been a question of being "better off" because that league was always poaching our teams that showed them up.
(09-07-2015 12:06 PM)8BitPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Weakest giant is still better off than the strongest midget....
True but the original post is way off base. The ACC is as stable as any conference out there. Geographically they have tip to tip east coast markets and lots of dollars. They also have the GOR locking in everyone 'til '27. I foresee no issues for them in losing any members in the near or long term future. They are poachers, not poachees. I hate 'em, but they're not weak as the OP tried to make a case for. Not even close.
(09-07-2015 11:51 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]That may be but I'd take an invite in a HEARTBEAT.
And I disagree on your comment about taking away FSU and the ACC being a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. I think even without FSU they are a lot better....I'm talking your average year.
Agreed.
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(09-07-2015 12:10 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote: [ -> ]Carolina and UVA are no Oklahoma? WTF? Hmmm..do you really want to argue who has a more powerful brand - the Tar Heels or the Sooners? Really? And UVA is one of the most prestigious universities in the world.
People need to understand that when you get to that level of prestige, it's 97% what you do off the field/court, and 3% what you do on it. Football performance and W/L's in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville are completely irrelevant to their power, and in turn the power of the ACC.
The ACC is far, far, far from weak. Especially considering none of their foundational members want to leave. Do you really think anyone truly gives a sh*t about Maryland?
It's like looking at the growth of TCU in the B12...the same can be said for a number of ACC schools - VT is a good example. Anyone who is attached to the power that is UNC, UVA, GT, FL State, Clemson - the rest doesn't matter...those schools instantly gain prestigious credibility because they are aligned with brands that are immortal.
Dude, I'm talking football. Of course, Virginia and UNC are more respected than OU academically. Shoot, New Mexico and Colorado St are probably more respected than Oklahoma is academically since they are Very High Research schools.....But, I'm talking football. UVA and UNC are not football powers. Oklahoma is. Cheers!
(09-07-2015 12:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 12:10 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote: [ -> ]Carolina and UVA are no Oklahoma? WTF? Hmmm..do you really want to argue who has a more powerful brand - the Tar Heels or the Sooners? Really? And UVA is one of the most prestigious universities in the world.
People need to understand that when you get to that level of prestige, it's 97% what you do off the field/court, and 3% what you do on it. Football performance and W/L's in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville are completely irrelevant to their power, and in turn the power of the ACC.
The ACC is far, far, far from weak. Especially considering none of their foundational members want to leave. Do you really think anyone truly gives a sh*t about Maryland?
It's like looking at the growth of TCU in the B12...the same can be said for a number of ACC schools - VT is a good example. Anyone who is attached to the power that is UNC, UVA, GT, FL State, Clemson - the rest doesn't matter...those schools instantly gain prestigious credibility because they are aligned with brands that are immortal.
Dude, I'm talking football. Of course, Virginia and UNC are more respected than OU academically. New Mexico and Colorado St are probably more respected academically since they are Very High Research schools. I'm talking football. UVA and UNC are not football powers. Oklahoma is.
But don't you see the point? It doesn't matter...football drives the bus in some cases, but when you get to this "level" of power, it legitimately doesn't matter how good their football teams are. They are amongst the most powerful universities with the most political pull in the entire world. So, there will be no poaching of anything as long as Carolina, Virginia, and Duke mainly, want to keep this thing together. I'd throw NC State, GT, FL St, and Clemson in there as potential ripple effect starters, but I believe that all of them would rather be ACC-aligned (aka as close as possible to Carolina and UVA) than B10 or especially SEC-aligned.
(09-07-2015 11:56 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]The realignment nuts online always talk about the Big 12 as most vulnerable to be poached and in a bad position moving forward. No one talks about the ACC being vulnerable. Why not? Historically, the ACC was never a true power conference. In the 80's they were much like the WAC. They added Florida St and perception changed a bit, but then they added 6 Big East schools from the pro NFL and not college football friendly East Coast, who are not blue bloods or even state flag ship schools. Adding Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech are not going to make the conference as respected as the 4 other "P4" conferences. Take away Florida St and the ACC is not a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. They lost 1 of their whopping 3 flagships (Maryland) and the other two, Virginia and North Carolina are no Oklahoma. Florida St and Virginia Tech leave for the Big 12 before Texas ever goes to the ACC. Big 10 or SEC snatches Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or Florida St before Big 12 loses any of their schools. The Notre Dame Olympic sport arrangement won't save them either. The Big East thought that and they don't even have a football conference now. The ACC is in trouble and won't be a "P5" next Bowl/playoff contract. Write it down! Cheers!
Lol...the ACC has a GoR that last longer than the Big XII GoR and really everyone in current P5 leagues will be in a Power League under some banner or another...everyone that was a full original member of the old BIG EAST including Rutgers is in a current P5 league with Louisville, TCU & Utah getting call ups...hopefully a BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, UCF, USF & Memphis will one day join the cartel.
Umm...no they're not.
(09-07-2015 12:11 PM)ultraviolet Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 12:06 PM)8BitPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Weakest giant is still better off than the strongest midget....
True but the original post is way off base. The ACC is as stable as any conference out there. Geographically they have tip to tip east coast markets and lots of dollars. They also have the GOR locking in everyone 'til '27. I foresee no issues for them in losing any members in the near or long term future. They are poachers, not poachees. I hate 'em, but they're not weak as the OP tried to make a case for. Not even close.
The ACC is not as stable as you think, they lost an ACC icon, and a flagship school Maryland that was tied to the ACC so much that no one in the ACC thought they'd leave for the Big 10. They did. Maybe if the ACC wouldn't have added all those academically weaker (VT, Louisville) and football weak Big East schools (Cuse, Pitt, BC) it wouldn't have happened. I think adding violation plagued and fan support weak Miami was a big mistake as well. The ACC has 2 schools without stadiums now, which is very bad. I predict the ACC will lose its power football status in the next 12 years. We'll see who's correct. Cheers!
(09-07-2015 12:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:56 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]The realignment nuts online always talk about the Big 12 as most vulnerable to be poached and in a bad position moving forward. No one talks about the ACC being vulnerable. Why not? Historically, the ACC was never a true power conference. In the 80's they were much like the WAC. They added Florida St and perception changed a bit, but then they added 6 Big East schools from the pro NFL and not college football friendly East Coast, who are not blue bloods or even state flag ship schools. Adding Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech are not going to make the conference as respected as the 4 other "P4" conferences. Take away Florida St and the ACC is not a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. They lost 1 of their whopping 3 flagships (Maryland) and the other two, Virginia and North Carolina are no Oklahoma. Florida St and Virginia Tech leave for the Big 12 before Texas ever goes to the ACC. Big 10 or SEC snatches Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or Florida St before Big 12 loses any of their schools. The Notre Dame Olympic sport arrangement won't save them either. The Big East thought that and they don't even have a football conference now. The ACC is in trouble and won't be a "P5" next Bowl/playoff contract. Write it down! Cheers!
Lol...the ACC has a GoR that last longer than the Big XII GoR and really everyone in current P5 leagues will be in a Power League under some banner or another...everyone that was a full original member of the old BIG EAST including Rutgers is in a current P5 league with Louisville, TCU & Utah getting call ups...hopefully a BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, UCF, USF & Memphis will one day join the cartel.
Umm...no they're not.
Temple, UCONN, Cincinnati and USF are the 4 who are not, and if the Big 10 didn't snag Maryland from the ACC then Rutgers and Louisville would've made it 6 former BCS schools left behind.
(09-07-2015 12:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 12:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:56 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2015 11:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]The realignment nuts online always talk about the Big 12 as most vulnerable to be poached and in a bad position moving forward. No one talks about the ACC being vulnerable. Why not? Historically, the ACC was never a true power conference. In the 80's they were much like the WAC. They added Florida St and perception changed a bit, but then they added 6 Big East schools from the pro NFL and not college football friendly East Coast, who are not blue bloods or even state flag ship schools. Adding Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech are not going to make the conference as respected as the 4 other "P4" conferences. Take away Florida St and the ACC is not a whole lot better than the AAC or MWC. They lost 1 of their whopping 3 flagships (Maryland) and the other two, Virginia and North Carolina are no Oklahoma. Florida St and Virginia Tech leave for the Big 12 before Texas ever goes to the ACC. Big 10 or SEC snatches Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson or Florida St before Big 12 loses any of their schools. The Notre Dame Olympic sport arrangement won't save them either. The Big East thought that and they don't even have a football conference now. The ACC is in trouble and won't be a "P5" next Bowl/playoff contract. Write it down! Cheers!
Lol...the ACC has a GoR that last longer than the Big XII GoR and really everyone in current P5 leagues will be in a Power League under some banner or another...everyone that was a full original member of the old BIG EAST including Rutgers is in a current P5 league with Louisville, TCU & Utah getting call ups...hopefully a BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, UCF, USF & Memphis will one day join the cartel.
Umm...no they're not.
Temple, UCONN, Cincinnati and USF are the 4 who are not, and if the Big 10 didn't snag Maryland from the ACC then Rutgers and Louisville would've made it 6 former BCS schools left behind.
I was specifically talking about UCONN. They were a full original Big East member, until 1991 when the football portion of the conference popped up.