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Just yesterday VT's AD said he never even knew about this and that it would be discontinued immediately. Bud Foster had been quoted as mentioning it recently. VT's AD also said it was likely illegal and/or against NCAA bylaws. The AD also made sure to mention that no fines had been levied, which seems to have been a lie.

But apparently it's a bit more perverse than VT wanted to admit yesterday. And per the article linked below, the policy was still posted on tv's last night - after the AD said it would be discontinued.

Quote:Images from a television monitor outside the Hokies' players' lounge on Wednesday night listed what appeared to be a fine structure and named players who had already been assessed fines.

A third screen listed players who apparently had already been assessed fines, with their name, offense, date it occurred and amount fined.

http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/f...8702d.html

I don't understand why you'd fine a college player? Especially in the era of the stipend and the bag man. Military style discipline is what I'd think would work on a football team. PT and peelin' potatoes.

Honestly I don't have a problem with the idea now that the kids want a paycheck on top of the opportunity to get a free education. You want to get paid then face penalties like a professional.

It looks like this was the punishment structure the coaches proposed, but I doubt any fines were actually imposed yet. Classes didn't start until this week, so the fines having to do with missing classes couldn't have happened before then. Also, since the season hasn't started you couldn't be fined for unsportsmanlike conduct either...

Can we get that here? Some examples

Fines
1. Trolling $20
2. Asking Terry about ND Joining the ACC $10
3. Not checking Hokie Mark's Blog daily $5
4. Siding with the UK Wildcats, Gamecocks or Georgetown in anything $10
5. Arguing about Greensboro or NYC $10
6. Calling FSU a Hoops Leech $5
7. Quoting MHV3er, The Dude, Yoda $100

(08-27-2015 03:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I don't have a problem with the idea now that the kids want a paycheck on top of the opportunity to get a free education. You want to get paid then face penalties like a professional.

I hardly see how covering their full cost of attendance constitutes a "paycheck". Their coaches are making millions and you take issue with $4,000-5,000 to help cover their travel costs back home, etc.

That's why Dabo will forever be known as Soybean Wind; Edamame Flatulence.

(08-27-2015 03:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like this was the punishment structure the coaches proposed, but I doubt any fines were actually imposed yet. Classes didn't start until this week, so the fines having to do with missing classes couldn't have happened before then. Also, since the season hasn't started you couldn't be fined for unsportsmanlike conduct either...

The article clearly states players had been fined, and their names, the amount of the fines, the dates and reasons were posted on the tv's.

This was a policy that was already in place at VT. Bud Foster merely suggested taking the fines out of their FCOA moneys, is what I've read.

Wouldn't be more productive to make them run steps at the stadium after practice? Curfew?

(08-27-2015 03:49 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2015 03:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I don't have a problem with the idea now that the kids want a paycheck on top of the opportunity to get a free education. You want to get paid then face penalties like a professional.

I hardly see how covering their full cost of attendance constitutes a "paycheck". Their coaches are making millions and you take issue with $4,000-5,000 to help cover their travel costs back home, etc.

That's why Dabo will forever be known as Soybean Wind; Edamame Flatulence.

Explain to me how it is a school's responsibility to pay for travel back home.

Newberry didn't pay my travel expenses nor any of my non-athlete friends. We had to pay for room and board out of our pocket, we didn't get free clothes several times a school year, and anything outside of what our scholarship paid we were personally responsible for. I didn't have a $60k insurance policy on me like athletes have available from the NCAA. My mom didn't get travel money to come see me while in school.

It's the schools' responsibility to pay for the FCOA because the NCAA would lose that lawsuit in court. They already lost the O'Bannon case. It's the NCAA's way of preventing ACTUAL paychecks.

Please explain to me why someone who is working a full time "job" to make MILLIONS for their school, MILLIONS to pay for their coaches' salaries, and BILLIONS of dollars in tv contracts every year isn't allowed to partake in that massive money train.

Don't give me "free education" as some b.s. excuse, either. Many of these kids won't make several million dollars in their entire lives, let alone in one year like their coaches and ADs.

(08-27-2015 03:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Can we get that here? Some examples

Fines
1. Trolling $20
2. Asking Terry about ND Joining the ACC $10
3. Not checking Hokie Mark's Blog daily $5
4. Siding with the UK Wildcats, Gamecocks or Georgetown in anything $10
5. Arguing about Greensboro or NYC $10
6. Calling FSU a Hoops Leech $5
7. Quoting MHV3er, The Dude, Yoda $100

I call this "The GTS Retirement Option".

Back in 2011, VT coaches introduced fining the meal stipend to encourage players to meet curfew and other team requirements for the Michigan game. I had no idea they were still doing it. Since the media has decided to shine the light on this issue, I'm glad Whit has put an end to the practice. I wouldn't want any thing to adversely affect our recruiting.

(08-27-2015 05:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2015 03:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Can we get that here? Some examples

Fines
1. Trolling $20
2. Asking Terry about ND Joining the ACC $10
3. Not checking Hokie Mark's Blog daily $5
4. Siding with the UK Wildcats, Gamecocks or Georgetown in anything $10
5. Arguing about Greensboro or NYC $10
6. Calling FSU a Hoops Leech $5
7. Quoting MHV3er, The Dude, Yoda $100

I call this "The GTS Retirement Option".

1 and 7 alone could run into the 100s of thousands.

(08-27-2015 05:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2015 03:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Can we get that here? Some examples

Fines
1. Trolling $20
2. Asking Terry about ND Joining the ACC $10
3. Not checking Hokie Mark's Blog daily $5
4. Siding with the UK Wildcats, Gamecocks or Georgetown in anything $10
5. Arguing about Greensboro or NYC $10
6. Calling FSU a Hoops Leech $5
7. Quoting MHV3er, The Dude, Yoda $100

I call this "The GTS Retirement Option".

If you pay me FCOPP (full cost of poster-participation), I'll gladly allow you to rescind funds for violations. Just pay me first. And I want an impartial arbitrator - not Roger Goodell - determining the fines.

EDIT: That said, it has nothing to do with VT fining its players

(08-27-2015 03:49 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2015 03:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like this was the punishment structure the coaches proposed, but I doubt any fines were actually imposed yet. Classes didn't start until this week, so the fines having to do with missing classes couldn't have happened before then. Also, since the season hasn't started you couldn't be fined for unsportsmanlike conduct either...

The article clearly states players had been fined, and their names, the amount of the fines, the dates and reasons were posted on the tv's.

This was a policy that was already in place at VT. Bud Foster merely suggested taking the fines out of their FCOA moneys, is what I've read.

Sorry... didn't have time to read it earlier (just quickly skimmed over it), but you are correct.

According to the OP link, it may not be forbidden, just VT was doing it wrong:

Quote:Taking money from student’s cost-of-attendance funds for fines would violate NCAA policy. However, schools have been allowed to reduce a student-athlete's scholarship when they violate an NCAA rule or a team/department rule if that stipulation is included in the scholarship agreement the student-athlete signs.

If I'm reading that right, once you give the money you can't take it back, but you CAN reduce the next FCoA check - IF it's written into the scholarship agreement that way.

(Is that what you guys are getting from this?)

No problem with it. The intent of the rule is accurate for true life. Basically bad actions have consequences that will cost you.

They should take the money that is pooled and at end of year throw a team party or donate to a team chosen charity.

In the past they've reduced player's bowl allowance. We are apparently not the only program that does that. The fcoa money can't be reduced Whit said. He ended all fines when he heard of it yesterday.
Here is an article about how it all got blown out of proportion at the press conference :
http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free-c...ud-foster/

(08-27-2015 03:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Can we get that here? Some examples

Fines
1. Trolling $20
2. Asking Terry about ND Joining the ACC $10
3. Not checking Hokie Mark's Blog daily $5
4. Siding with the UK Wildcats, Gamecocks or Georgetown in anything $10
5. Arguing about Greensboro or NYC $10
6. Calling FSU a Hoops Leech $5
7. Quoting MHV3er, The Dude, Yoda $100
8. FSU & Clemson fans b*tching about the ACC TV Deal $200

FFY

(08-27-2015 05:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ]Back in 2011, VT coaches introduced fining the meal stipend to encourage players to meet curfew and other team requirements for the Michigan game. I had no idea they were still doing it. Since the media has decided to shine the light on this issue, I'm glad Whit has put an end to the practice. I wouldn't want any thing to adversely affect our recruiting.

Are you suggesting that it may have already hurt recruiting? Or have Beamer and Foster just forgotten how to coach the last few years?