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How the College Football Playoff killed the Cinderella team

Toiling in purgatory

I've seen several articles lately about the expansion of the playoff field, fingers crossed. 8 Teams gives birth to reasonable hope, 16 teams and some guarantee may be made for annual G5 inclusion?

God I hate ESPN and the P5.

(08-18-2015 02:18 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen several articles lately about the expansion of the playoff field, fingers crossed. 8 Teams gives birth to reasonable hope, 16 teams and some guarantee may be made for annual G5 inclusion?

I hate ESPN and the P5.

+1000

The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

(08-18-2015 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

that would be 4 extra games for the ultimate champ, plus the 12 regular and conference championship. 17 games is pretty heavy.

In theory, it could happen. But, as the article shows, there would be no room for error to provide any doubt as to your credentials.

For example, the Huskies will most likely be eliminated from the National Championship in Week three when they play Ohio State. A national champion should be good enough to win in Columbus.

On the other hand, if the Huskies actually manage to win that game, the Ohio State still has a shot. Ohio State could redeem themselves by winning the Big Ten.

The Huskies would not get a shot at redemption. They would not even get a photo opportunity. They would just end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard.

(08-18-2015 03:10 PM)GCD70 Wrote: [ -> ]that would be 4 extra games for the ultimate champ, plus the 12 regular and conference championship. 17 games is pretty heavy.

They could easily make OOC two games instead of four. 10 game regular season, 1 championship game, 4 playoff games (R16, R8, R4, R2). Same total number of games.

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote: [ -> ]For example, the Huskies will most likely be eliminated from the National Championship in Week three when they play Ohio State. A national champion should be good enough to win in Columbus.

In the current format NIU won't get in unless they go undefeated but your second sentence is just not true. You can lose in the #1 ranked team's stadium and still get into the playoffs.

(08-18-2015 03:18 PM)armour248 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 03:10 PM)GCD70 Wrote: [ -> ]that would be 4 extra games for the ultimate champ, plus the 12 regular and conference championship. 17 games is pretty heavy.

They could easily make OOC two games instead of four. 10 game regular season, 1 championship game, 4 playoff games (R16, R8, R4, R2). Same total number of games.

i would doubt say a big ten team that has no chance to go to the championship would be against playing 10 regular season games.

(08-18-2015 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

If they were to go to 16 in the playoff there would not be a need to have a conference championship game. I agree they never schedule less than 12 regular season games. But maybe 16 is a doable number of games to play in a season.

(08-18-2015 03:45 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

If they were to go to 16 in the playoff there would not be a need to have a conference championship game. I agree they never schedule less than 12 regular season games. But maybe 16 is a doable number of games to play in a season.

Uhhh so why play in a conference if there is no official champion?

(08-18-2015 03:37 PM)GCD70 Wrote: [ -> ]i would doubt say a big ten team that has no chance to go to the championship would be against playing 10 regular season games.

There will be a ton more money for everyone if it goes to a 16 team playoff. Conferences will disburse the money to all of their programs and they will probably be paid based on the number of schools represented in the playoff and how far they go in the tournament. Also, schools are going to vote on it now, not on a yearly basis, so even though Purdue might be terrible right now they still have to think they could make the playoff in a few years.

(08-18-2015 03:50 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote: [ -> ]Uhhh so why play in a conference if there is no official champion?

Well conferences are supposed to make sense from a geographic/historical perspective. Most of that has been destroyed with realignment though.

It isn't a playoff. Put 8 teams in it and I'll call it a playoff.

(08-18-2015 03:50 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 03:45 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

If they were to go to 16 in the playoff there would not be a need to have a conference championship game. I agree they never schedule less than 12 regular season games. But maybe 16 is a doable number of games to play in a season.

Uhhh so why play in a conference if there is no official champion?

Do it the way it used to be - the regular (conference) season determines the champion. Have two weeks between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoff. Then, there would be an open week for a conference championship game in the event two teams were tied for the top spot.

(08-18-2015 03:50 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 03:45 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

If they were to go to 16 in the playoff there would not be a need to have a conference championship game. I agree they never schedule less than 12 regular season games. But maybe 16 is a doable number of games to play in a season.

Uhhh so why play in a conference if there is no official champion?

You do not need a conference championship game to decide a champion. Just ask the Big 12.

Not in the current 4-team format and I have absolutely no problem with it. The strength of schedules differ way too much.

In an 8-teamer I think the top-ranked G5 team would be included.

(08-18-2015 04:32 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 03:50 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 03:45 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2015 02:43 PM)niu79 Wrote: [ -> ]The playoff would have to be expanded to 16 teams before us in the G5 could hope to get a bone thrown our way. If that day were to come, I hope to live long enough to see it.

If they were to go to 16 in the playoff there would not be a need to have a conference championship game. I agree they never schedule less than 12 regular season games. But maybe 16 is a doable number of games to play in a season.

Uhhh so why play in a conference if there is no official champion?

You do not need a conference championship game to decide a champion. Just ask the Big 12.

And that is the reason why they didn't have a representative in the playoffs.

Its hard to call this a real playoff with four teams, but Cinderella was dead even before this instituted. Its a horrid system, the BCS was 200 times better, at least you partially had to earn what you got, now its all about, does your team have a good relationship with the committee members. Have you scratched their back so they can scratch yours. Entitlement systems suck.

I don't think the playoff diminished anything. It now guarantees a G5 in a BCS bowl no matter what (as opposed to have-to-earn-it before). But with some of the Top G5 teams going P5 (like Louisville), it'd become harder -- yet, there's an automatic IN. OK.

But what the 4-team playoff does I guess is takes away the attention of the other BCS bowls. Namely a G5/P5 matchup. "Ehhh, it's not the playoffs, so how big of a Cinderalla game is this?"

What they should do is have a 12 team playoff

Top 4 - 1st Round Bye (must be a conference champ; 4 P5 conf champs [99% of the time])
Other 8 - 1 P5 conf champ; 5 P5 conf 2nd-placers; 2 G5 conf champs

Dec 18th, 19th (Fri, Sat): Bottom 8 play in 4 games to cut teams in half to 4 teams remaining to challenge Top 4

[Xmas week & weekend for other blah-bowls]

Jan 1st, 2nd (Fri, Sat): Top 4 vs Remaining 4 play in 4 games to lead to 4 teams remaining

Jan 9th (Sat): Final 4 showdown (2 games)

Jan 18th (Mon): Monday Night National Championship