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http://triblive.com/business/headlines/8...z3h5sL8T7E

This is just ridiculous.

Thoughts?

Unrelated note, I have friends that work for US Steel.

Who is John Galt?

(07-27-2015 07:54 AM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]Unrelated note, I have friends that work for US Steel.

I know a few people that work at US Steel as well but thats only cause we are attempting to sell to them.

I find it ridiculous that the unions are saying US steel is using the down turn to "Gut" their contracts. No crap, when a company cannot be profitable with the current economy and has only had 1 year of profitability since 2008 i would imagine they are trying to cut costs where they can so they can still operate. the steel workers don't work for the union. they work for the steel company but i guess that is lost on them.

what happens when US is no longer in operations. who is going to pay there checks. sure as hell ain't gonna be the union.

Germany competes with strong unions. They are not a detriment there.

I don't think that's the issue.. I'm thinking US Steel probably gave up a lot years ago and now times aren't good and it's time to re-negotiate the union contract, they're looking to cut costs.. If US Steel isn't in business, they're not going to pay the wages and those guys go back to the hall and wait until something opens up.

I'm sure they are trying to gut the contract. They call it "negotiation".

(07-27-2015 09:23 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure they are trying to gut the contract. They call it "negotiation".

I wonder what the Steel Union is asking for though...

(07-27-2015 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Germany competes with strong unions. They are not a detriment there.

You're right. in Germany both Unions and Management work together to remain competitive, maximize worker pay, and satisfy shareholder demands. US unions only care about one of those things.

(07-27-2015 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Germany competes with strong unions. They are not a detriment there.

We are not Germany.

Unions are playing the same strategy as the inhabitants of Easter island.

And the result will be the same.

(07-27-2015 09:40 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-27-2015 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Germany competes with strong unions. They are not a detriment there.

You're right. in Germany both Unions and Management work together to remain competitive, maximize worker pay, and satisfy shareholder demands. US unions only care about one of those things.

Exactly. That's what we need here. In Germany, labor, management, and investors all have seats on corporate boards. That has been proposed here. Union leaders have opposed it, because they don't want any responsibility for those other two things.

Do you really think the Unions wouldn't want to be a part of the corporate board. Really???

(07-27-2015 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Do you really think the Unions wouldn't want to be a part of the corporate board. Really???

The only time in recent memory I've seen a American Union seek to understand the global pressures and financial constraints of management was in 2006 when Ford and the UAW restructured their contracts. In all other instances unions have been about CREAM for their members.

(07-27-2015 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Do you really think the Unions wouldn't want to be a part of the corporate board. Really???

Apparently they do in Germany, the example you used.

(07-27-2015 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Do you really think the Unions wouldn't want to be a part of the corporate board. Really???

They were who opposed it when it was proposed here.

Link?

(07-27-2015 03:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Link?

It was in the 70s. No Internet back then.

There was the deal with the VW plant proposed for the Chattanooga area a year or so ago where the proposal was for a German style labor arrangement. Will look for a link to that later.

It's not the rank and file who oppose it. It's the union leadership. I think republicans should propose a German style approach as an alternative and pick up labor votes in the process.

(07-27-2015 03:58 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-27-2015 03:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]Link?

It was in the 70s. No Internet back then.

There was the deal with the VW plant proposed for the Chattanooga area a year or so ago where the proposal was for a German style labor arrangement. Will look for a link to that later.

It's not the rank and file who oppose it. It's the union leadership. I think republicans should propose a German style approach as an alternative and pick up labor votes in the process.

I agree with that model, but I don't think the Republicans can actually do that. If you beat the anti-Union drum loudly enough for long enough, you end up not being able to take any reasoned stance towards them without being called a RINO and having some business interest fund a farther-right candidate to take your spot. It's similar to the same problem with Global Warming, it's hard for there to be any reasoned compromise when one side has for so long denied it's very existence.

We need a system which allows third parties, so that those far-right wingers can vote themselves into obscurity and allow the moderate right and moderate left to get actual things done.

I did not say they could, I said they should. And you appear to agree with that.