06-24-2015, 02:53 PM
06-24-2015, 02:54 PM
http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-st...le/5429694
NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.
“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”
Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.
“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”
Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.
“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”
Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.
“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”
NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.
“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”
Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.
“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”
Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.
“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”
Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.
“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”
06-24-2015, 02:57 PM
You mean Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina and UCF fans. Big 12 said the expansions will be in the east. Those 4 would help West Virginia out than BYU.
06-24-2015, 03:21 PM
Start the NIU hype train
#DatTVMarketYo
#DatTVMarketYo
06-24-2015, 03:24 PM
If he liked Louisville as an add and feels the League missed on that school, Cincinnati is nearly a spitting image. And BYU seems a no-brainer to me.
06-24-2015, 03:26 PM
(06-24-2015 02:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]You mean Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina and UCF fans. Big 12 said the expansions will be in the east. Those 4 would help West Virginia out than BYU.
Cinci, yes. UCF maybe. 2 schools who just made the jump from C-USA. No way in hell.
06-24-2015, 03:33 PM
Maybe this is why Cincinnati is speeding up their facilities timeline.
I still say the top schools of interest at this time for Big 12 expansion are: BYU, UC, UConn, UCF, and USF.
I still say the top schools of interest at this time for Big 12 expansion are: BYU, UC, UConn, UCF, and USF.
06-24-2015, 03:38 PM
BYU - Definitely *if* it weren't for their Mormon rules getting in the way for many sports. I think BYU is in position to compromise. Joseph Smith wants to see BYU-B12 football. Says so on the golden plates.
CINCI - Talk of the town. Going out East in the realm of WV. Not a bad basketball program either.
MEMPHIS - Grown up some in football, although too early to tell. But joining the B12 would keep that train going. A GREAT Basketball addition.
EAST CAROLINA - That's near WV, too. G5 power that's defined itself as a good one. Has that directional Twang as NIU does, but they've made enough of a name for themselves to be taken seriously. Great attendance. They're known.
NIU - A known G5 power but low attendance/following within DeKalb. However, they're expanding their stadium and putting umph behind everything PLUS it's in the east direction with a Chicago-land TV audience that'll eat up advertising if B12 gets a channel or at least a "sub channel" via ESPN or FOX going.
CINCI - Talk of the town. Going out East in the realm of WV. Not a bad basketball program either.
MEMPHIS - Grown up some in football, although too early to tell. But joining the B12 would keep that train going. A GREAT Basketball addition.
EAST CAROLINA - That's near WV, too. G5 power that's defined itself as a good one. Has that directional Twang as NIU does, but they've made enough of a name for themselves to be taken seriously. Great attendance. They're known.
NIU - A known G5 power but low attendance/following within DeKalb. However, they're expanding their stadium and putting umph behind everything PLUS it's in the east direction with a Chicago-land TV audience that'll eat up advertising if B12 gets a channel or at least a "sub channel" via ESPN or FOX going.
06-24-2015, 03:45 PM
(06-24-2015 03:38 PM)toddjnsn Wrote: [ -> ]BYU - Definitely *if* it weren't for their Mormon rules getting in the way for many sports. I think BYU is in position to compromise. Joseph Smith wants to see BYU-B12 football. Says so on the golden plates.I think that's a fair guess, although i think UCF has a good chance too. NIU is definitely a dark horse IF they are being discussed even
CINCI - Talk of the town. Going out East in the realm of WV. Not a bad basketball program either.
MEMPHIS - Grown up some in football, although too early to tell. But joining the B12 would keep that train going. A GREAT Basketball addition.
EAST CAROLINA - That's near WV, too. G5 power that's defined itself as a good one. Has that directional Twang as NIU does, but they've made enough of a name for themselves to be taken seriously. Great attendance. They're known.
NIU - A known G5 power but low attendance/following within DeKalb. However, they're expanding their stadium and putting umph behind everything PLUS it's in the east direction with a Chicago-land TV audience that'll eat up advertising if B12 gets a channel or at least a "sub channel" via ESPN or FOX going.
06-24-2015, 03:45 PM
If they were to scrap the Longhorn Network and start a Big 12 conference network then don't count out UCONN....
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
06-24-2015, 03:45 PM
(06-24-2015 02:54 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-st...le/5429694
NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.
“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”
Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.
“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”
Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.
“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”
Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.
“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”
This is just as negative as it is positive. A lot of if's and a lot of problems. Maybe they find a solution or maybe this is just a set up for them saying later on that they tried everything they could but couldn't find a solution.
06-24-2015, 03:49 PM
I think CINCY makes sense to everyone.... My question is if they add BYU as a Football mbr only, and if they (BYU) has their own TV deal, would the BIG12 then just split their money 11 ways instead of 12????... IF so I think it is a no-brainer that BYU becomes added...
06-24-2015, 03:51 PM
(06-24-2015 02:54 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-st...le/5429694
NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.
“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”
Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.
“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”
Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.
“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”
Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.
“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”
Looks like all of the B12 expansion detractors lost the biggest argument point. So I think the fair question for them is who are the most attractive candidates. It also seems that it might be a matter of "when" not "if".
06-24-2015, 03:52 PM
If that was the case, then it would have already happened. It's a nice talking point but, the reality of what they have actually done and NOT done says otherwise in regard to it being an open and shut case.
06-24-2015, 03:59 PM
(06-24-2015 03:51 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: [ -> ](06-24-2015 02:54 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-st...le/5429694
NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.
“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”
Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.
“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”
Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.
“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”
Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.
“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”
Looks like all of the B12 expansion detractors lost the biggest argument point. So I think the fair question for them is who are the most attractive candidates. It also seems that it might be a matter of "when" not "if".
I think Cincy is a lock. BYU, UCF and ECU in that order if it was up to me
06-24-2015, 03:59 PM
(06-24-2015 03:45 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]If they were to scrap the Longhorn Network and start a Big 12 conference network then don't count out UCONN....If that happens then NIU jumps up the likelihood chances too... Chicago market is not to be ignored
Just sayin...bjtime:
06-24-2015, 04:09 PM
(06-24-2015 02:54 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: [ -> ]http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-st...le/5429694
NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.
“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”
Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.
“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”
Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.
“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”
Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.
[i]“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”[/i]
Wow. That's something that's long been rumored on the internet, but I doubted it was true. It changes the complexion of expansion for the Big 12.
06-24-2015, 04:10 PM
(06-24-2015 03:59 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I think Cincy is a lock. BYU, UCF and ECU in that order if it was up to me
It might be telling that UCF's AD bolted for Oregon St last week.
...or not.
06-24-2015, 04:13 PM
It still would have to be schools acceptable to ESPN and Fox. Would that include G5 schools? Boren does shoot off his mouth a lot, but I doubt he would make that comment if there was no G5 school acceptable to ESPN and Fox.
06-24-2015, 04:19 PM
Based on this quote from Boren:
Logic would dictate to add the expansion teams as quickly as possible so that those expansion teams can earn top dollar (P5 $) for the maximum amount of time before the next Big 12 contract negotiations in order to improve themselves as much as possible. If the Big 12 is going to grow members, seems like having them join as soon as possible would be best case scenario.
A question I have is, what if the Big 12 added more than two teams? Would the main TV contract grow proportionately? If so why not add 4? If not, better be sure bets, because of the potential impact on the next contract in ten short years.
Quote:“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.
“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”
Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.
“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”
Logic would dictate to add the expansion teams as quickly as possible so that those expansion teams can earn top dollar (P5 $) for the maximum amount of time before the next Big 12 contract negotiations in order to improve themselves as much as possible. If the Big 12 is going to grow members, seems like having them join as soon as possible would be best case scenario.
A question I have is, what if the Big 12 added more than two teams? Would the main TV contract grow proportionately? If so why not add 4? If not, better be sure bets, because of the potential impact on the next contract in ten short years.