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For those of you who dont go outside of the NIU/MAC board.

(04-27-2015 09:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote: [ -> ]http://csnbbs.com/thread-735009.html

For those of you who dont go outside of the NIU/MAC board.

That brings up a really good question. Does the state of Illinois have too many schools? Louisiana has more than I thought!

Quote:That brings up a really good question. Does the state of Illinois have too many schools? Louisiana has more than I thought!

I wouldn't think so. With Chicago-land being huge-city with tons of money flowing, and below that, a lot of farms in which farmers are making BANK -- I don't think Illinois has "too many".

IL is way over built. EIU, Chicago St, Govornors St and others I have not heard of. Shut them down.

It makes perfect sense to have an Illinois state supported school in the northern, southern, eastern, western and central parts of state. NIU, SIU, EIU, WIU and Illinois State. And a state supported UIC in a city as big and well known as Chicago doesn't seem like a bad idea, either.

Everything else might require a more focused lens. That leaves:

Chicago State
Governors State
Northeastern Illinois
SIU-Edwardsville
Illinois Springfield
WIU Quad Cities

(04-27-2015 09:40 AM)Who You Crappin? Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 09:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote: [ -> ]http://csnbbs.com/thread-735009.html

For those of you who dont go outside of the NIU/MAC board.

That brings up a really good question. Does the state of Illinois have too many schools? Louisiana has more than I thought!

For being the 4th (now 5th?) largest state by population. I don't think so. Illinois only has three (four if you count UIC and UIUC separate) region serving public R1 institutions UofI (UIC and UIUC as very high research. RU/VH), NIU (RU/H) and SIU (RU/H). Then we have a doctoral research university, ISU. Regional/Master Level universities WIU, and EIU. Access colleges such NEIU, Chicago State, and Governor's state. I honestly don't think that's enough.

Ohio (7th largest state) has 11 R1 universities. Michigan (10th largest state) has 5, WMU, UM, MSU, Wayne, MTU.

The problem is getting Illinoisans to stay in Illinois for school. Illinois public schools are not attractive to out of state domestic students. UIUC, and NIU to an extent, has compensated decreased state enrollment by increasing foreign student enrollments mainly from India and China. While UIUC denies state applications for enrollment at a near 50%, it has increased enrollments in for Chinese students (these are undergrads) pursuing degrees in STEM fields, and pay full tuition with higher fees because they are foreign students. So yes our public universities are educating the wealthy Chinese families to become "rocket scientists," and because of our strict immigration policy we send them back to China or Europe to work. It's kind of sad when you think about why the Morrill Act that established Land grant universities was for, to educate all citizens of the state at low to free tuition rate, and serve the state in terms of labor and economic prosperity.

If you want to read more, this is long, but a good read:

University of China at Illinois

(04-27-2015 10:29 AM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 09:40 AM)Who You Crappin? Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 09:14 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote: [ -> ]http://csnbbs.com/thread-735009.html

For those of you who dont go outside of the NIU/MAC board.

That brings up a really good question. Does the state of Illinois have too many schools? Louisiana has more than I thought!

For being the 4th (now 5th?) largest state by population. I don't think so. Illinois only has three (four if you count UIC and UIUC separate) region serving public R1 institutions UofI (UIC and UIUC as very high research. RU/VH), NIU (RU/H) and SIU (RU/H). Then we have a doctoral research university, ISU. Regional/Master Level universities WIU, and EIU. Access colleges such NEIU, Chicago State, and Governor's state. I honestly don't think that's enough.

Ohio (7th largest state) has 11 R1 universities. Michigan (10th largest state) has 5, WMU, UM, MSU, Wayne, MTU.

The problem is getting Illinoisans to stay in Illinois for school. Illinois public schools are not attractive to out of state domestic students. UIUC, and NIU to an extent, has compensated decreased state enrollment by increasing foreign student enrollments mainly from India and China. While UIUC denies state applications for enrollment at a near 50%, it has increased enrollments in for Chinese students (these are undergrads) pursuing degrees in STEM fields, and pay full tuition with higher fees because they are foreign students. So yes our public universities are educating the wealthy Chinese families to become "rocket scientists," and because of our strict immigration policy we send them back to China or Europe to work. It's kind of sad when you think about why the Morrill Act that established Land grant universities was for, to educate all citizens of the state at low to free tuition rate, and serve the state in terms of labor and economic prosperity.

If you want to read more, this is long, but a good read:

University of China at Illinois

Nice post!

(04-27-2015 10:10 AM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]IL is way over built. EIU, Chicago St, Govornors St and others I have not heard of. Shut them down.

governors and chicago st should be closed. Chicago St would do more good aa a magnate school

(04-27-2015 10:16 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense to have an Illinois state supported school in the northern, southern, eastern, western and central parts of state. NIU, SIU, EIU, WIU and Illinois State. And a state supported UIC in a city as big and well known as Chicago doesn't seem like a bad idea, either.

Everything else might require a more focused lens. That leaves:

Chicago State
Governors State
Northeastern Illinois
SIU-Edwardsville
Illinois Springfield
WIU Quad Cities

IF NIU, the big public university on the edge of Chicagoland, is begging for students and state monies, we have too many state supported schools.

A few of the schools above, and probably EIU could be looked at very seriously as unnecessary. ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

(04-27-2015 11:03 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

EIU fills a local / regional higher education niche for those not of the Illini mindset. I think the IL directional schools and ISU are perfectly situated, geographically.

(04-27-2015 01:54 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 11:03 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

EIU fills a local / regional higher education niche for those not of the Illini mindset. I think the IL directional schools and ISU are perfectly situated, geographically.

Nothing wrong with EIU, but ISU is right down the road, why does the state need both if we are tight on cash and not overflowing with attendees?

(04-27-2015 10:10 AM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]IL is way over built. EIU, Chicago St, Govornors St and others I have not heard of. Shut them down.

Sure. Then they'll go to NIU and lower its academics even more.

Sounds great.

(04-27-2015 02:10 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 01:54 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 11:03 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

EIU fills a local / regional higher education niche for those not of the Illini mindset. I think the IL directional schools and ISU are perfectly situated, geographically.

Nothing wrong with EIU, but ISU is right down the road, why does the state need both if we are tight on cash and not overflowing with attendees?

I feel that ISU and EIU cater to different student clienteles and each school has different education missions.

Not to say they couldn't change, but so far NIU, WIU, EIU and SIU have a regional Illinois focus and eliminating EIU would damage that regional focus.

Tenure and pension. Right or wrong, that's the bottom line. Teaching is not always this low paying job that people make it out to seem. 30-40 years ago, like police and firemen they were jobs for lower pay, lower educated for most. They signed 3-4% increases a yr and were laughed at. Throw on top reward for continued education. Private sector hasn't kept up. When tax income, personal income does not grow fast enough, when manufacturing moves out of the Country, companies move to other States for short term tax deals it is what occurs.

(04-27-2015 02:10 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 01:54 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 11:03 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

EIU fills a local / regional higher education niche for those not of the Illini mindset. I think the IL directional schools and ISU are perfectly situated, geographically.

Nothing wrong with EIU, but ISU is right down the road, why does the state need both if we are tight on cash and not overflowing with attendees?

EIU and ISU are the same distance from UIUC at opposite directions. They are both "down the road."

I can see how EIU is a draw for folks who want a private liberal arts college atmosphere with a public price tag. It's hard to see what ISU's identity is in comparison to state/region serving systems like UofI, NIU, SIU.

(04-27-2015 02:26 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote: [ -> ]Tenure and pension. Right or wrong, that's the bottom line. Teaching is not always this low paying job that people make it out to seem. 30-40 years ago, like police and firemen they were jobs for lower pay, lower educated for most. They signed 3-4% increases a yr and were laughed at. Throw on top reward for continued education. Private sector hasn't kept up. When tax income, personal income does not grow fast enough, when manufacturing moves out of the Country, companies move to other States for short term tax deals it is what occurs.

+1

(04-27-2015 02:10 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 01:54 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 11:03 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

EIU fills a local / regional higher education niche for those not of the Illini mindset. I think the IL directional schools and ISU are perfectly situated, geographically.

Nothing wrong with EIU, but ISU is right down the road, why does the state need both if we are tight on cash and not overflowing with attendees?

EIU is the same distance from ISU as NIU is.

(04-27-2015 03:35 PM)niusfactuary Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 02:10 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 01:54 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2015 11:03 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote: [ -> ]ISU, Illness and IL-Springfield are not far from from EIU, nobody will be inconvenienced in that part of the state.

EIU fills a local / regional higher education niche for those not of the Illini mindset. I think the IL directional schools and ISU are perfectly situated, geographically.

Nothing wrong with EIU, but ISU is right down the road, why does the state need both if we are tight on cash and not overflowing with attendees?

EIU is the same distance from ISU as NIU is.

???
How about we all agree that it may not be a horrible idea for the state to have a few less public colleges and/or universities a this juncture, and that NIU will probably not be at the head of the line for the chopping block.

(04-27-2015 10:10 AM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ]IL is way over built. EIU, Chicago St, Govornors St and others I have not heard of. Shut them down.

Gov State is actually growing, they are now a complete 4 year university (not a JR/SR College only) and have dorms