CSNbbs

So loving and open-minded…

Quote:Via Mediaite, no one’s surprised, right? I actually predicted yesterday that that NYT story would hurt the businessmen more than it would hurt Cruz because I remembered what a gay conservative once told me. Conservative are more likely to accept me as gay, he claimed, than gays are to accept me as conservative.

Here’s my favorite post from the boycott page, which now has more than 3,000 “likes.” It used to be that many straights viewed gays as so far beneath contempt that they wouldn’t want to shake their hands or invite them into their living rooms. Fifty years of the gay-rights movement has changed that, not universally but enough that the GOP’s leading “true conservative” candidate for president would be willing to attend a campaign reception in a gay businessman’s home. An ironic monument to “progress”.

So predictable was that reaction that I’m wondering why the host decided to hold the reception at all. Maybe his hospitality business is doing well enough that he thought he could withstand a boycott. And/or maybe he’s so devout a hawk, especially when it comes to Israel’s security, that he feels morally bound to promote fellow hawks from across the political spectrum, whatever that may mean for his business…

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/24/of...-ted-cruz/

Cruz's position is that the federal government has no right to interfere in New York's marriage laws. These people are insane.

Gay Mafia out in full force and intolerant as all hell.

He's a conservative, not a gay. Sad you people don't know the difference.

I agree that the boycott is stupid. I also think any time you get involved with public politics you risk this kind of stuff.

Those two are pretty creepy. http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/man-found-d...pers-home/

But don't feel too sorry for them, plenty of folks are willing to hang out with their money.

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Now to the larger point. There's a difference between being a Gay person who occasionally votes for a Republican, of which there are about 25% who do (myself included) and someone who is going to pink wash the worst kind of anti-Gay bigots, of which Ted Cruz qualifies. There's a difference between supporting Mark Kirk and supporting Ted Cruz.

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The problem with Cruz is that his anti-Gay animus is so over the top, and so comprehensive, that its hard to defend. The hoteliers/nightclub promoters/afterparty hosts tried to spin it as 'supporting Israel'. Most people in our community aren't buying that....they think that they're simply homocons in the Peter Thiel mold (basically plutocrats who have no problem with anti-Gay animus so long as they get a tax cut). But unlike Thiel, these two make their money largely off the LGBT community.

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(04-25-2015 07:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Cruz's position is that the federal government has no right to interfere in New York's marriage laws. These people are insane.

Cruz supports enabling discrimination against LGBT persons in public and private employment.

Last week, Cruz supported a rider to pull money out of an existing program for homeless people, simply because it covers LGBT homeless youth.

Cruz supports Texas and other states being able to treat its' LGBT citizens like second class citizens.

There are actually about 10 GOP Senators of which, support from the LGBT community can actually be defended. Cruz isn't one of them.

Just remember you heard it from me first. ....about Cruz and Jindhal.

Maybe some gays are just living their lives like everyone else and don't see all these bogeymen that the others hallucinate around every corner. Maybe he doesn't find it to be a struggle to get cake and chicken sandwiches akin to a seat on a bus.

(04-25-2015 09:53 AM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe some gays are just living their lives like everyone else and don't see all these bogeymen that the others hallucinate around every corner. Maybe he doesn't find it to be a struggle to get cake and chicken sandwiches akin to a seat on a bus.

Certain Gays who are exempt from most discrimination due to their vast wealth.

And in this case, Gays who make their money largely off the earnings of people who are subject to harsher discrimination as a result of the fact that they aren't plutocrats.

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People aren't particularly happy with these guys either beyond politics. Apparently they throw afterparties to literally die for.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/man-found-d...pers-home/

I've found it very interesting Gay Conservatives seem to be heavily involved in the nightclub/drug/party scene or porn production (see Michael Lucas, as well as several others).

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There are people that try to take advantage of the work that the Gay mainstream does while working against those allies because they want a bigger tax cut. Its seen as greedy and ungrateful at best, and cynical at worst.

Exhibit A

(04-25-2015 10:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2015 09:53 AM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe some gays are just living their lives like everyone else and don't see all these bogeymen that the others hallucinate around every corner. Maybe he doesn't find it to be a struggle to get cake and chicken sandwiches akin to a seat on a bus.

Certain Gays who are exempt from most discrimination due to their vast wealth.

And in this case, Gays who make their money largely off the earnings of people who are subject to harsher discrimination as a result of the fact that they aren't plutocrats.

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People aren't particularly happy with these guys either beyond politics. Apparently they throw afterparties to literally die for.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/man-found-d...pers-home/

I've found it very interesting Gay Conservatives seem to be heavily involved in the nightclub/drug/party scene or porn production (see Michael Lucas, as well as several others).

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There are people that try to take advantage of the work that the Gay mainstream does while working against those allies because they want a bigger tax cut. Its seen as greedy and ungrateful at best, and cynical at worst.

The liberal philosophy is so perverted that its comical:

If you are gay, but make a lot of money, you are no longer gay.

If you are black, but make a lot of money, you are no longer black.


Yet, here's reality:

If you are a woman, but make a lot of money, you obviously dont work for the Obama administration. #EqualPayForEqualWorkMyAss

(04-25-2015 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2015 10:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2015 09:53 AM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe some gays are just living their lives like everyone else and don't see all these bogeymen that the others hallucinate around every corner. Maybe he doesn't find it to be a struggle to get cake and chicken sandwiches akin to a seat on a bus.

Certain Gays who are exempt from most discrimination due to their vast wealth.

And in this case, Gays who make their money largely off the earnings of people who are subject to harsher discrimination as a result of the fact that they aren't plutocrats.

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People aren't particularly happy with these guys either beyond politics. Apparently they throw afterparties to literally die for.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/man-found-d...pers-home/

I've found it very interesting Gay Conservatives seem to be heavily involved in the nightclub/drug/party scene or porn production (see Michael Lucas, as well as several others).

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There are people that try to take advantage of the work that the Gay mainstream does while working against those allies because they want a bigger tax cut. Its seen as greedy and ungrateful at best, and cynical at worst.

The liberal philosophy is so perverted that its comical:

If you are gay, but make a lot of money, you are no longer gay.

If you are black, but make a lot of money, you are no longer black.


Yet, here's reality:

If you are a woman, but make a lot of money, you obviously dont work for the Obama administration. #EqualPayForEqualWorkMyAss

You don't get it. People aren't upset with Lucas (a gay GOP pornographer) or Thiel (a gay GOP billionaire) or these two clowns because they are wealthy....They're upset with them because they are working against the interests of the community. Their money insulates them from the discrimination that ordinary members of the LGBT community faces. These guys appear to just want a tax cut for themselves.

In the case of the drug party throwers/innkeepers/bar owners/real estate developers....its even worse than most. They make their money off the LGBT community. Thiel doesn't (I know Peter and find him creepy and selfish and soulless, but at least he doesn't suck up money from my community to give to anti-Gay politicians).

There are plenty of rich LGBTers that give back to the community or who support the community at large. Tim Gill (a Gay billionaire) is one.

Its not about money...its about what they're doing with it.

Yeah, where exactly did he get the idea that it was about money?

(04-26-2015 11:15 AM)UCF08 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, where exactly did he get the idea that it was about money?

Let's see....

(04-25-2015 02:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Its not about money...its about what they're doing with it.

If its not about money, then why do you care what they do with their money? It's all about money to you liberals. More specifically, money that isnt yours. Money that someone else earned, but that YOU believe you have a right in the say in how they spend it.

More specifically, if a gay person or a black person or a woman has worked their way up to be self sufficient without the need to suck on the government mammary, you guys believe they are now evil. How dare they become self-sufficient. They might start thinking for themselves. How horrible.

It's all about money. Money that isnt yours. And money you dont want them to have so that they can continue to be dependent on others money. You cant have people thinking for themselves. Thats just too dangerous of a proposition for you left wing moonbats.

Quote:If its not about money, then why do you care what they do with their money? It's all about money to you liberals. More specifically, money that isnt yours. Money that someone else earned, but that YOU believe you have a right in the say in how they spend it.

What a silly sentiment, of course we have a right to exert societal pressure to dissuade people from giving money/supporting causes we don't like. In what world do you live in that this doesn't exist or isn't supposed to exist? Hell, that's actually a preferred form of enforcing societal norms, it's far better than allowing it to melt into the legislative spectrum.

This is nothing more than the free market exerting it's force to enact social change, if anything, it's an argument that the right could make to show that we don't need discrimination legislation.

(04-26-2015 12:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-26-2015 11:15 AM)UCF08 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, where exactly did he get the idea that it was about money?

Let's see....

(04-25-2015 02:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Its not about money...its about what they're doing with it.

If its not about money, then why do you care what they do with their money? It's all about money to you liberals. More specifically, money that isnt yours. Money that someone else earned, but that YOU believe you have a right in the say in how they spend it.

More specifically, if a gay person or a black person or a woman has worked their way up to be self sufficient without the need to suck on the government mammary, you guys believe they are now evil. How dare they become self-sufficient. They might start thinking for themselves. How horrible.

It's all about money. Money that isnt yours. And money you dont want them to have so that they can continue to be dependent on others money. You cant have people thinking for themselves. Thats just too dangerous of a proposition for you left wing moonbats.

These two clowns are NOT self sufficient. They require the money of the LGBT community. That's why there's a boycott.

Boycotts become successful when business owners offend their customers. Supporting Ted Cruz or Ron Johnson is considered offensive to the LGBT community.

And yes, there is a double standard. We're not going to be nearly as mad at a straight person supporting Cruz or Johnson as we will be at one from our own community. These two party promoters/developers are Gay....they know, or should know how discrimination impacts our community. They have discounted that argument, for what appears to be purely selfish reasons, while still expecting to retain the goodwill of the community that their money sh*ts all over.

You guys are mystified why the small number of prominent African American GOPers frequently face scorn and derision from their community. I'm not mystified at all. The mainstream African American community understands what the issues are. And they understand that persons outside their community might not understand the issues as much as they do. But for someone FROM the community to ignore the concerns....that is not ignorance (not knowing or understanding the issue) but malevolence or opportunism (which is IMHO much worse than ignorance). I don't see this as being any different. How does a Gay or African American GOPer avoid those charges (or dimish them)? Make a credible case as to why they are supporting the GOP. If the answer is "because I don't care about these issues", expect the social and societial shunning to continue.

And its even worse than that. Cruz will attempt to use that meeting to 'pinkwash' his brazen and overt bigotry. LGBT persons won't be fooled, but it might give cover to GOPers who are appalled by anti-Gay animus who might be fooled by Cruz's meeting with these clowns. Should LGBT persons meet with Cruz...sure. But not if they aren't going to place LGBT interests first if the meeting is designed to provide some sort of 'see I'm not a raging homophobe' cover.

Cruz is a horrible homophobe. He enables throwing Gay persons out of their jobs simply because they are Gay. He supports banning Gay persons from being able to even choose their own last names. He supports carving out Gay youth from homeless youth funding. He supports discrimination against LGBT persons with tax dollars. He supports higher taxes for LGBT couples.

Support for Cruz is going to be considered toxic in our community unless Cruz changes some concrete policy proposals. Not because he's a GOPer. Plenty of LGBT persons support Mark Kirk. I even know a few that support Toomey. While most LGBT persons would disagree with those that support Kirk or Toomey, its at least marginally defensible. Support for Cruz....I challenge you to make an argument ON LGBT issues as to how this doesn't harm the interests of an average LGBT person.

Add the drug overdose death of a 22 year old in the apartment and the driving while under the influence of something charges.....its going to add up.

In short, don't p*ss all over your customers.