From reading an article today it appears it will cost Ga. Southern somewhere between 1.6 mil and 2 mil per year to fully fund COA.
Troy's AD said the cost to Sun Belt schools goes from around 3000 per year to 8000 per year. I can't really understand why Ga. Southern's figure is the highest in the league at 8,000 per year but I guess it is. He said Troy's cost is about $4400 per scholarship athlete per year.
If you figure we have somewhere between 200-250 scholarship athletes that adds up to somewhere approaching 2 mil. per year to fund this. I know we are funding it for football and men's and women's basketball and as far as I know we are funding it for all sports.
This is more than I thought it would be.
Maybe we can use this somehow to improve our recruting.
I'm not entirely sure how it is all calculated, but I know the athlete is given tuition/fees, books, housing, and meal plan. That is roughly 7500 per semester. I know that there are estimations for transportation and general expenses that go along with it, but I just don't see how adding the extra amount past what is already given to the athlete will cost around 2 million.
I was assuming the 8000 was above and beyond what is being given per year now for a scholarship. If that is true 8000 times 200-250 athletes gets you somewhere between 1.5 mil and 2 mil.
(04-16-2015 01:53 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I was assuming the 8000 was above and beyond what is being given per year now for a scholarship. If that is true 8000 times 200-250 athletes gets you somewhere between 1.5 mil and 2 mil.
You are correct the COA is in addition to all the things scholarship athletes currently have. Apparently GaSou's amount will be highest because it is assumed that they get a large number of their athletes from a fairly significant distance from their campus (Atlanta area, mostly) that the athletes would need more money for travel home during breaks.
(04-16-2015 01:57 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 01:53 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I was assuming the 8000 was above and beyond what is being given per year now for a scholarship. If that is true 8000 times 200-250 athletes gets you somewhere between 1.5 mil and 2 mil.
You are correct the COA is in addition to all the things scholarship athletes currently have. Apparently GaSou's amount will be highest because it is assumed that they get a large number of their athletes from a fairly significant distance from their campus (Atlanta area, mostly) that the athletes would need more money for travel home during breaks.
Correct. AState is paying 5K per. I think this ultimately may be the downfall of COA. Rural Schools have to offer more money than urban.
Here is the article I assume the OP is talking about.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...ses_m.html
I'm not buying the idea that transportation costs are what will elevate our costs above the rest of the conference.
So with housing and this transportation costs taken into account our costs are higher than, say, South Alabama's and Appalachian State's and other team's with a higher percentage of out-of-state athletes? Calling BS on that. Where do these numbers even come from?
$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
(04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
It's more than GT and UGA put together.
(04-16-2015 04:58 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
It's more than GT and UGA put together.
Huge advantage that could pay big dividend in recruiting.
(04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
What do they get for their money? You think "come to Georgia Southern because your FCOA package is worth more" will have any pull with recruits? It's not like we'll be offering anything other schools won't be offering.
(04-16-2015 05:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
What do they get for their money? You think "come to Georgia Southern because your FCOA package is worth more" will have any pull with recruits? It's not like we'll be offering anything other schools won't be offering.
If one school is offering $12k over 4 years and another is offering $32k, it's enough to make a difference. That amount is a lot to a kid that's never had any.
(04-16-2015 01:25 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote: [ -> ]From reading an article today it appears it will cost Ga. Southern somewhere between 1.6 mil and 2 mil per year to fully fund COA.
Troy's AD said the cost to Sun Belt schools goes from around 3000 per year to 8000 per year. I can't really understand why Ga. Southern's figure is the highest in the league at 8,000 per year but I guess it is. He said Troy's cost is about $4400 per scholarship athlete per year.
If you figure we have somewhere between 200-250 scholarship athletes that adds up to somewhere approaching 2 mil. per year to fund this. I know we are funding it for football and men's and women's basketball and as far as I know we are funding it for all sports.
This is more than I thought it would be.
Maybe we can use this somehow to improve our recruting.
The rule is up to the cost of attendance.
So why couldn't a school or conference pay less ?
Maybe Georgia Southern wants to pay the full eight but they don't have to.
(04-16-2015 05:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 05:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
What do they get for their money? You think "come to Georgia Southern because your FCOA package is worth more" will have any pull with recruits? It's not like we'll be offering anything other schools won't be offering.
If one school is offering $12k over 4 years and another is offering $32k, it's enough to make a difference. That amount is a lot to a kid that's never had any.
You know we aren't talking about stipends here, right? We are talking about specific expenses that athletics will pay for. You don't actually put money into the pockets of the kids.
If the numbers in the article are correct it means we are going to have to pay more money to give athletes the exact same perks that every other school gives.
(04-16-2015 05:49 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 05:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 05:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
What do they get for their money? You think "come to Georgia Southern because your FCOA package is worth more" will have any pull with recruits? It's not like we'll be offering anything other schools won't be offering.
If one school is offering $12k over 4 years and another is offering $32k, it's enough to make a difference. That amount is a lot to a kid that's never had any.
You know we aren't talking about stipends here, right? We are talking about specific expenses that athletics will pay for. You don't actually put money into the pockets of the kids.
If the numbers in the article are correct it means we are going to have to pay more money to give athletes the exact same perks that every other school gives.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../14200387/
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nd with calculations varying campus to campus, will the dollar amount be used in recruiting when one school offers more than another?
N.C. State athletic director Debbie Yow said a "sizeable competitive advantage" could be gained when one prospect "counts up how much cash he could make by going to school A versus school B."
"Whoever is calculating that on a particular campus, it's going to put pressure on them in some case," Currie said. "When there is a differential, when K-State can show a larger cost of attendance differential than Kansas, which is the case, that is going to put pressure on people because it becomes a recruiting thing."
Lyke does not believe the difference of a few thousand dollars a year would result in a clear recruiting advantage. But she said a school's decision to not offer cost of attendance payments at all could.
So, if you are an athlete on full scholarship with COA and come from a poorer family, do you still get the Pell grant (up to another $5K)?
(04-16-2015 05:35 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 05:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 04:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote: [ -> ]$8,000 is very high based on what I've seen from other schools. If that is true it is good and bad. Bad in that it is a lot of money, but good because you can pay them more than most schools. $250 more a month than another school is a decent car note. Kids would love a free car over what another school could offer.
What do they get for their money? You think "come to Georgia Southern because your FCOA package is worth more" will have any pull with recruits? It's not like we'll be offering anything other schools won't be offering.
If one school is offering $12k over 4 years and another is offering $32k, it's enough to make a difference. That amount is a lot to a kid that's never had any.
I'd be shocked if every recruiting coach in FBS won't have spread sheets available to every serious prospect demonstrating a (most likely) biased spreadsheet to show how they'll benefit financially by attending their school with a $200 per month COA vs a $350 COA at a competing school. It's too easy to do.
You are absolutely right. If you think the amount of COA offered will not be part of the recruiting pitch you are very naive.
Our number is supposedly higher than Ga. Tech and Georgia's combined numbers. If it leads us to get a few recruits that those schools want it will be a good deal.
GSU is 3 hours from Atlanta. Are they really trying to say we have more kids from a further distance than ThUGA, Florida, Missoui, Duke? Not even to bring up GT. Primarily Asians and Indians. Is their transportation going to be a canoe?
(04-16-2015 06:30 PM)HCJag Wrote: [ -> ]So, if you are an athlete on full scholarship with COA and come from a poorer family, do you still get the Pell grant (up to another $5K)?
No. Pell is based on full COA. Any scholarships you receive are part of your "family contribution" under Pell, and reduce the amount of Pell you are eligible to receive. If your scholarship is full COA, you are not Pell eligible.
Kids from low income families will not get a nickel more than they are already getting. Kids from families of secure but modest means make out the best, because that difference between the 'traditional' athletic scholarship and FCOA will now come from the school and not their parent's [or their own] pockets. Kids from rich families are unaffected because momma doesn't live any better either way.
There will be a recruiting advantage with kids who are not Pell eligible. With Pell eligible kids, it just lets the school write a check instead of doing paperwork to help the kid get a Pell grant for the same amount.
(04-17-2015 07:15 AM)Vobserver Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2015 06:30 PM)HCJag Wrote: [ -> ]So, if you are an athlete on full scholarship with COA and come from a poorer family, do you still get the Pell grant (up to another $5K)?
No. Pell is based on full COA. Any scholarships you receive are part of your "family contribution" under Pell, and reduce the amount of Pell you are eligible to receive. If your scholarship is full COA, you are not Pell eligible.
Kids from low income families will not get a nickel more than they are already getting. Kids from families of secure but modest means make out the best, because that difference between the 'traditional' athletic scholarship and FCOA will now come from the school and not their parent's [or their own] pockets. Kids from rich families are unaffected because momma doesn't live any better either way.
There will be a recruiting advantage with kids who are not Pell eligible. With Pell eligible kids, it just lets the school write a check instead of doing paperwork to help the kid get a Pell grant for the same amount.
90% of recruits will not understand or know that.