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He let something get out of control, apparently not for the first time and is doing probably more than most to recognize and apologize. This doesn't seem to me a Bobby Petrino. He perhaps could be more forthcoming on a pattern of behavior if that's the case.

There will be some not so willing to let him up off the mat but I hope he does find a place. He's obviously skilled, if not yet cognizant the balance needed between being happy where he was and what he had accomplished and not over emphasizing where he wants to be.

Good for him. Thank goodness I've never gotten drunk and acted like a fool in front of a crowd. That could be embarrassing and might even be difficult to go through when everyone starts to relive what you did and said.... I wouldn't know though, because I've never had that happen to me...but I've heard of it happening to others..... Amnesia can be a good thing.

(04-10-2015 03:51 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]He let something get out of control, apparently not for the first time and is doing probably more than most to recognize and apologize. This doesn't seem to me a Bobby Petrino. He perhaps could be more forthcoming on a pattern of behavior if that's the case.

There will be some not so willing to let him up off the mat but I hope he does find a place. He's obviously skilled, if not yet cognizant the balance needed between being happy where he was and what he had accomplished and not over emphasizing where he wants to be.

He owned up to it and this statement is about as well as somebody in his situation can handle things at this point.

gosh, you guys act like want to spoon with him. dude is a d*ck and has been all year if not longer. yes, he issued a statement taking responsibility for this specific instance, but that's the least he could do to save a little face. it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]gosh, you guys act like want to spoon with him. dude is a d*ck and has been all year if not longer. yes, he issued a statement taking responsibility for this specific instance, but that's the least he could do to save a little face. it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

Which of the above would you consider his biggest offense? lol

I think we acknowledged there might be more to the story, regards past behavior but that's not on the official table. All we have word is message board gossip.

As an isolated incident, agree to disagree. IMO, he has taken care of what he might do publicly, no spooning requested or desired. BG is a minor job and a minor market. He probably could have gone on and his original admittance and apology been sufficient. He didn't have to re-drag his name into the national spotlight to move on, he's very talented.

It's now between him and those he offended directly.

No, this was not an isolated incident of a guy who just had too much one night, if you talk to people who worked at the bar. If that were the case, why didn't his staff, who was also there, say something or try to get him to leave during the 4 hours that this was going on? He and his coaching staff were regularly running up tabs anywhere from a couple of hundred dollars to a thousand dollars after home games. Pulling the woman's head down by his crotch, grabbing women as they walked by, and calling some guy's daughter a ***** is just the tip of the iceberg. The woman in the video he was grabbing, thanked the family for saying something. There are a lot of BG fans who will also not miss his huddles, where he could be regularly heard throwing out f bombs at his players. The only reason he is apologizing, which I believe was through his lawyer, is because like most pieces of crap, he got caught and needs to find employment.

Yeah, the apology is pretty much pro forma and actually pretty late in coming. Some bizarre speculation from AZZ: BG says "We acted too quickly and now recognize Mr. Jan's has a problem that requires support and compassion". They take him back under condition of no future incidents and his getting treatment and doing community service with women's' causes. Gotta love sports message boards.

(04-11-2015 07:10 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, the apology is pretty much pro forma and actually pretty late in coming. Some bizarre speculation from AZZ: BG says "We acted too quickly and now recognize Mr. Jan's has a problem that requires support and compassion". They take him back under condition of no future incidents and his getting treatment and doing community service with women's' causes. Gotta love sports message boards.

Now that's funny.

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]gosh, you guys act like want to spoon with him. dude is a d*ck and has been all year if not longer. yes, he issued a statement taking responsibility for this specific instance, but that's the least he could do to save a little face. it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

That's a bizarre response. Two of us on this thread are just recognizing he's handling the best he can in this situation. I would have said the same if Gene Cross had apologized and been up front with the off-court transgressions that got him fired (or forced to resign or whatever the official language was).

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]... it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

The whole problem with alcohol abuse is that once you get drunk all your inhibitions, self control and self restraint that are necessary for civil discourse are shut down and that is when the trouble ensues. The idea of a responsible drunk is itself an oxymoron.

It never ceases to amuse me that for all the public awareness, indignation, outrage and anger directed against tobacco products, alcohol is held in fairly high regard by the public and it use is often glamorized and romanticized.

It strikes me as totally bizarre than about the same time UT becomes a tobacco free campus is about the same time UT starts selling alcohol at sporting events.

(04-11-2015 07:26 AM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]... it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

The whole problem with alcohol abuse is that once you get drunk all your inhibitions, self control and self restraint that are necessary for civil discourse are shut down and that is when the trouble ensues. The idea of a responsible drunk is itself an oxymoron.

It never ceases to amuse me that for all the public awareness, indignation, outrage and anger directed against tobacco products, alcohol is held in fairly high regard by the public and it use is often glamorized and romanticized.

It strikes me as totally bizarre than about the same time UT becomes a tobacco free campus is about the same time UT starts selling alcohol at sporting events.

Tobacco related death's in the US are almost 500,000 per year. Alcohol related deaths are about 1/6 that. 70% of the US are low level or non-consumers of alcohol. The last game I attended was the Boca Bowl-NIU vs
Marshall, didn't see much of overconsumption, especially with beer at $11.00 a bottle in the stadium.

(04-11-2015 10:08 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 07:26 AM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]... it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

The whole problem with alcohol abuse is that once you get drunk all your inhibitions, self control and self restraint that are necessary for civil discourse are shut down and that is when the trouble ensues. The idea of a responsible drunk is itself an oxymoron.

It never ceases to amuse me that for all the public awareness, indignation, outrage and anger directed against tobacco products, alcohol is held in fairly high regard by the public and it use is often glamorized and romanticized.

It strikes me as totally bizarre than about the same time UT becomes a tobacco free campus is about the same time UT starts selling alcohol at sporting events.

Tobacco related death's in the US are almost 500,000 per year. Alcohol related deaths are about 1/6 that. 70% of the US are low level or non-consumers of alcohol. The last game I attended was the Boca Bowl-NIU vs
Marshall, didn't see much of overconsumption, especially with beer at $11.00 a bottle in the stadium.

So alcohol only kills about 83,000 a year------Whew, well that is certainly a relief. But aside from mortality rates do you also have information about tobacco vs alcohol related abuse in terms of numbers of ruined lives or careers (such as Jans, for example) or date rapes or dysfunctional families or spousal abuse, or non-fatal DUI accidents (I assume vehicular deaths are included in the 83,000), etc. there are as a result of alcohol abuse?

Don't get me wrong---I am not advocating banishment of either alcohol or tobacco (nor am I advocating the use of either) because it is my opinion that people should be free to make their own mistakes if they so choose (otherwise they are not truly free)----I am simply pointing out what to me seems to be a social contradiction that is ironically reversed exact 180 degrees from what it was in, say, in the 1920s.

(04-11-2015 11:08 AM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 10:08 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 07:26 AM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]... it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

The whole problem with alcohol abuse is that once you get drunk all your inhibitions, self control and self restraint that are necessary for civil discourse are shut down and that is when the trouble ensues. The idea of a responsible drunk is itself an oxymoron.

It never ceases to amuse me that for all the public awareness, indignation, outrage and anger directed against tobacco products, alcohol is held in fairly high regard by the public and it use is often glamorized and romanticized.

It strikes me as totally bizarre than about the same time UT becomes a tobacco free campus is about the same time UT starts selling alcohol at sporting events.

Tobacco related death's in the US are almost 500,000 per year. Alcohol related deaths are about 1/6 that. 70% of the US are low level or non-consumers of alcohol. The last game I attended was the Boca Bowl-NIU vs
Marshall, didn't see much of overconsumption, especially with beer at $11.00 a bottle in the stadium.

So alcohol only kills about 83,000 a year------Whew, well that is certainly a relief. But aside from mortality rates do you also have information about tobacco vs alcohol related abuse in terms of numbers of ruined lives or careers (such as Jans, for example) or date rapes or dysfunctional families or spousal abuse, or non-fatal DUI accidents (I assume vehicular deaths are included in the 83,000), etc. there are as a result of alcohol abuse?

Don't get me wrong---I am not advocating banishment of either alcohol or tobacco (nor am I advocating the use of either) because it is my opinion that people should be free to make their own mistakes if they so choose (otherwise they are not truly free)----I am simply pointing out what to me seems to be a social contradiction that is ironically reversed exact 180 degrees from what it was in, say, in the 1920s.

Considering my ex was involved involved in substance/recovery for the 16 years while we were together and she did the intake work for a former Assistant Director of NIHM- I have a little insight.

(04-11-2015 07:17 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]gosh, you guys act like want to spoon with him. dude is a d*ck and has been all year if not longer. yes, he issued a statement taking responsibility for this specific instance, but that's the least he could do to save a little face. it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

That's a bizarre response. Two of us on this thread are just recognizing he's handling the best he can in this situation. I would have said the same if Gene Cross had apologized and been up front with the off-court transgressions that got him fired (or forced to resign or whatever the official language was).

here's the thrust of the 3 initial posts i replied to

1) He let something get out of control, apparently not for the first time and is doing probably more than most to recognize and apologize. This doesn't seem to me a Bobby Petrino...There will be some not so willing to let him up off the mat but I hope he does find a place.

2) Good for him.

3) He owned up to it and this statement is about as well as somebody in his situation can handle things at this point.

easy for people to say sorry after the fact. making the standard mea culpa PR statement means little to all the women and others he's been harassing, humiliating and making feel unsafe over his time at BG. I respect people who do the right thing as their routine, not those who treat others badly and when they get exposed make an apology.

oh, and by the way, gene cross was much more into forking than spooning and I would hope no one on this board would even suggest a scenario where they would forgive that fool for what he did to our program.

(04-12-2015 03:13 PM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]easy for people to say sorry after the fact. making the standard mea culpa PR statement means little to all the women and others he's been harassing, humiliating and making feel unsafe over his time at BG. I respect people who do the right thing as their routine, not those who treat others badly and when they get exposed make an apology.

We have only what was reported for the one incident.

You can't really expect us to go off what you say on a message board, can you? Are you saying you have first hand knowledge of this behavior on-going "over his time at BG?" If WE had first hand knowledge that has been his behavior, then don't you think we might have opinion similar to yours regards his apology?

If you're right, you're right but we wouldn't know that. If you're wrong, no first hand knowledge, going off bad info or whatever, well, you did see what happened up in WMU, right?

(04-12-2015 03:13 PM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 07:17 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2015 02:32 AM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]gosh, you guys act like want to spoon with him. dude is a d*ck and has been all year if not longer. yes, he issued a statement taking responsibility for this specific instance, but that's the least he could do to save a little face. it's one thing to get drunk and act foolish, but he went to the point of random strangers feeling obligated to check him on his actions. plus, he's the bg coach. figures.

That's a bizarre response. Two of us on this thread are just recognizing he's handling the best he can in this situation. I would have said the same if Gene Cross had apologized and been up front with the off-court transgressions that got him fired (or forced to resign or whatever the official language was).

here's the thrust of the 3 initial posts i replied to

1) He let something get out of control, apparently not for the first time and is doing probably more than most to recognize and apologize. This doesn't seem to me a Bobby Petrino...There will be some not so willing to let him up off the mat but I hope he does find a place.

2) Good for him.

3) He owned up to it and this statement is about as well as somebody in his situation can handle things at this point.

easy for people to say sorry after the fact. making the standard mea culpa PR statement means little to all the women and others he's been harassing, humiliating and making feel unsafe over his time at BG. I respect people who do the right thing as their routine, not those who treat others badly and when they get exposed make an apology.

oh, and by the way, gene cross was much more into forking than spooning and I would hope no one on this board would even suggest a scenario where they would forgive that fool for what he did to our program.

Generally speaking, no one says they are sorry before an issue has occurred. The guy apologized for his behavior and attempted to apologize for anyone he offended. He did not break the law, he did not ruin a program. He acted like an ass and he is being punished.

Nobody really cares if you forgive him or not, but don't tell me how I should act. You are the one that went on the attack by asking if we wanted to spoon with him. Not sure why you headed in that direction or why that even came into your mind, but to each his own.

And we're less than a month into the off season! Between the Alumni center thread and what should be a unifying thread of schadenfreude about our rival's (no, NIU fans, our OTHER rivals) coach, this is getting ugly! Hey Ranger, you got a football countdown?

(04-12-2015 10:38 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Ranger, you got a football countdown?

T-minus 100 days and a wake up thread is fast approaching, agree not soon enough however...

Schadenfreude would have been if BG had retained him. Would have been fun to watch them squirm through what that would have brought to their doorstep.


If Chris Jans had been complaining about his parking spot, I would be as equally unforgiving as Pono.


But as this is so far an isolated incident of misogyny for which he has apologized profusely and publically and he almost got his azz kicked by first a girl and then by her family, I'm willing to let the guy move on to someplace new until such time a major investigation substantiates Pono's accusations. If those accusations are substantiated, I'm all for having him thrown into OHIO women's prison, or a BGSU dorm and he can see if his smooth moves and apologies work any better there.

I don't really care about the guy but I hope it makes Pono feel we weren't disregarding his opinion nor were we (or I anyhow) intending to give the guy a free pass. I think we're mostly all glad Jans separation was done quickly and decisively, even if his retention would have made our rivals look even worse.