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Quote:StillJonesing Wrote: What the heck is Wainwright or his 35 year old players doing for your program now or the last decade. Nothing.

What did Wainwright do for us in the last decade?

Let's see. One DECADE ago was 2005. By then we were a few years into the tenure of Coach Brownell. Not sure if you know this, but Brownell was an assistant under Wainwright. Additionally, the team Wainwright built led to other recruits such as Goldsberry (NCAA record holder) coming to play with guys that Wainwright recruited/coached and turned over to Brownell. That era SET THE TONE and in the words of Pitino "a history of success" that led to the hiring of our CURRENT coach, which led to the success of our CURRENT team.

Last season:

ECU: 14-19 overall, 6-12 conference
UNCW: 18-14 overall, 12-6 conference

I'm out.

**mic drop**
(04-01-2015 03:48 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:StillJonesing Wrote: What the heck is Wainwright or his 35 year old players doing for your program now or the last decade. Nothing.

What did Wainwright do for us in the last decade?

Let's see. One DECADE ago was 2005. By then we were a few years into the tenure of Coach Brownell. Not sure if you know this, but Brownell was an assistant under Wainwright. Additionally, the team Wainwright built led to other recruits such as Goldsberry (NCAA record holder) coming to play with guys that Wainwright recruited/coached and turned over to Brownell. That era SET THE TONE and in the words of Pitino "a history of success" that led to the hiring of our CURRENT coach, which led to the success of our CURRENT team.

I'm out.

**mic drop**

Keep telling yourself some dusty auto bid trophy from 2004 is going to will this team and players to new heights. There is probably no one even associated with the program coach player or AD even from that era but it's cute to believe it has some bearing on today anymore than Bill Herrion or whoever has on our program today.
(04-01-2015 03:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-01-2015 03:34 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-01-2015 03:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-01-2015 03:07 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Furthermore, given the chance, does anyone think Keatts would have taken the job at perennial loser EZU? Not a chance.

He took over a UNCW program that didn't have a top 250 RPI in like 8 or 9 years or something absurd.

What do you pay him like 300 or 400k. We started Lebo at 600k 6 years and two extensions ago. Who knows what we even pay him now as scary as that is. I'm sure no coach would of any quality would want to get paid far more, work in a higher profile conference, with better TV and access to players, more fans, and new practice facility etc. Yeh our program sucks moving forward.


Listen to the words of Rick Pitino. UNCW has a history of success and can recruit equally with the top of our conference. THAT is why Keatts came here when other opportunities existed, and those two reasons are why he would never go to EZU. No history of success, and no chance to equally recruit against the top of the conference(at least until they move on. Do you really think Cincy and UConn are happy to be in a conference with EZU?) Do you honestly see recruits choosing EZU over any of those schools? There are multitudes of stories to be found where they are searching high and low to escape. It's only a matter of time.

History and dusty trophy's doesn't mean jack, and it's not like you even had this rich history to begin with. What the heck is Wainwright or his 35 year old players doing for your program now or the last decade. Nothing.

Butler had been to one NCAA in by the late 90's less than even we had despite having been a D1 member longer and look where they are now.

All it took was the right coaches and resources and money far more determine you not only getting the ones most likely to succeed but keeping them longer than you normally would and replacing them and that comes from foundational things like money support facilites, conf etc. A coach is just a coach, they take that history with them because it's really theirs.


No, that's not all it took. You do know where Butler is located, right? Indianapolis Indiana. EZU has one major flaw it can NEVER change....location. Greenville NC is the armpit of the state, and that will never change. And, it will never be a big city which is why UConn and Cincy can't wait to escape from being dragged down to the level of EZU. UNCW is located in a jewel of the state...and that will never change. Long term, UNCW has every advantage over EZU because people actually WANT to be here. If the reins were taken off UNCW in the UNC system, we would end up overtaking every university. Our demand far out strips our supply. Eventually that will make the difference.
(04-01-2015 03:59 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]No, that's not all it took. You do know where Butler is located, right? Indianapolis Indiana. EZU has one major flaw it can NEVER change....location.

Right because Wilmington is like Indy. How about La Tech has no history really and are in a city you wouldn't respect I'm sure and are suddenly very respectable. All it takes is he right coach or wrong coach to completely change a program's fortunes and you get and keep or replace that coach with resources, conference facilites etc . It really doesn't matter where you are located, what long gone coachesdid years ago or any of that as much as who you get to coach today and who you can hire tommorow when they leave.

Quote:UNCW is located in a jewel of the state...and that will never change. Long term, UNCW has every advantage over EZU because people actually WANT to be here.

Maybe the 65 year old snow birds. Some urban basketball player off the AAU circut not so much.

Quote: If the reins were taken off UNCW in the UNC system, we would end up overtaking every university. Our demand far out strips our supply. Eventually that will make the difference.

Might want to join us in reality at some point.
Wow this thread is a gem. Jonesin make sure you attend therapy before dropping by next time
I was a student during the Wainwright era. The success and excitement around the program lead me to take an active role in supporting the team, and now several of us from that class are some decent level donors, where hopefully our money is helping Keatts' salary and any resources he needs. It's not accurate to say that 15-20 year history doesn't matter.
(04-02-2015 06:58 AM)Money Wrote: [ -> ]I was a student during the Wainwright era. The success and excitement around the program lead me to take an active role in supporting the team, and now several of us from that class are some decent level donors, where hopefully our money is helping Keatts' salary and any resources he needs. It's not accurate to say that 15-20 year history doesn't matter.

I agree, that's the only way past success matters at all if you have built a sustainable fanbase that continues to dump money into the program and brick and mortar things like facilities built off that success that are still there. Even when you are down like a Memphis basketball would still draw and have an NBA arena even if they were down like this year or the next 5 years they would still be a great job.

I usually note that but in your case your attendance has been pretty bad for a while and you had some money issues so it's hard to say that really applies in your case as you never improved on your facilites or maintained anything near your fan support you had 10-15 years ago but you do have a point about the only tangible place I can see history really having an impact today.

Would make sense a guy with a handle called money would let everyone know about the money he gives though.
(04-02-2015 06:18 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Wow this thread is a gem. Jonesin make sure you attend therapy before dropping by next time

Complete conjecture and personal level attacks that add nothing to any conversation. Nice.

Hey but if I'm sick for posting what's that make you as the guy that periodically private messages me out of the blue just like last week?
And THAT's why this was moved to the smack threads. My advice on the matter is that if you don't want similar jabs thrown at you, then don't make comments suggesting others join you in reality. It's basically saying the same thing.

Carry on...
Wow, sour spot?
(04-02-2015 08:30 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Would make sense a guy with a handle called money would let everyone know about the money he gives though.

Would make sense a guy with a handle called stilljonesing would root for a team jonesing for a .500 record

... cue UNCW having a C+ department or whatever
(04-02-2015 02:37 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]And THAT's why this was moved to the smack threads. My advice on the matter is that if you don't want similar jabs thrown at you, then don't make comments suggesting others join you in reality. It's basically saying the same thing.

Carry on...

I didn't throw the first jab or infact all I said was we didn't have a scholarship to give and we suck. Another poster even admitted who was mean on this thread or where it de-evolved. As far as the reality part the guy said this....

"If the reins were taken off UNCW in the UNC system, we would end up overtaking every university. Our demand far out strips our supply. Eventually that will make the difference."

If pigs had wings I guess they'd soar like eagles too.

(04-02-2015 11:05 PM)seaplus Wrote: [ -> ]Would make sense a guy with a handle called stilljonesing would root for a team jonesing for a .500 record

... cue UNCW having a C+ department or whatever

Or perhaps it's simply a trait of never being satisfied all greatness strive for. Kentucky didn't need to go 38-0 to be great for example. There is always something else out there you want.
To be fair, my nickname on the old boards was Money as well, since it was my colllege nickname, and it has NOTHING to do with real money 😎 And for the record, my comment was not meant to be boastful at all, because there are hundreds at UNCW and on these boards whose generosity dwarfs mine. I just felt that your comment needed some correction. Our history is still felt around our program. A few more years of disappointment and I agree that it could have all been for naught. But we seem to have picked back up our performance enough in this current sample size under Keatts that the excitement and fans from the early 2000s are returning while the memories are still fresh enough.
(04-03-2015 08:44 AM)Money Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, my nickname on the old boards was Money as well, since it was my colllege nickname, and it has NOTHING to do with real money ? And for the record, my comment was not meant to be boastful at all, because there are hundreds at UNCW and on these boards whose generosity dwarfs mine. I just felt that your comment needed some correction. Our history is still felt around our program. A few more years of disappointment and I agree that it could have all been for naught. But we seem to have picked back up our performance enough in this current sample size under Keatts that the excitement and fans from the early 2000s are returning while the memories are still fresh enough.

I don't disagree. That's about the only instance I think past success has any bearing on today is if you built as strong fanbase that gives and shows up and acts as a resource machine , built facilites and is still pumping resources out and sustaining.

The only other to a far lesser degree is in recruiting if you can say we went to an NCAA this year or whatever. The problem is Most of these kids you were recruiting were about 6 years old then and could probably care less about that pitch.

As far as your name, bad attempt at a joke I guess. Your point wasn't off though and I've made it myself before when talking about history's relevance but it's specific IMO.
(04-03-2015 08:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Or perhaps it's simply a trait of never being satisfied all greatness strive for. Kentucky didn't need to go 38-0 to be great for example. There is always something else out there you want.

yeah makes sense. I see a lot of the same things in ECU as I do Kentucky







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