I mentioned in a previous post that I had talked to both a rep from UC at a football game and Mike Bohn about their plans to shut down Calhoun on game days to turn it into a Bourbon Street type atmosphere.
Bohn told me that Calhoun was looking like a no-go, but that Short Vine was a possibility. Well, look what's in the news this week:
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Quote:City closer to 'Bourbon Street' at The Banks
COLUMBUS – Reds and Bengals fans got one step closer Thursday to enjoying a beer on a stroll in The Banks.
The Ohio House passed a bill that would allow cities to create open-container districts much like those in New Orleans or Memphis, Tennessee.
Supporters hope to create such a zone in Cincinnati ahead of the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in July.
To do so, they'll have to rush to get the bill through the Senate and to get Gov. John Kasich's signature. Then, under the bill, Cincinnati City Council would have to wait at least 30 days after proposing an open-container zone before voting on whether to approve it.
Allowing cities to "create a Bourbon Street" can help them attract big conventions and events, said state Rep. Louis "Bill" Blessing, R-Colerain Township. Each of the last four cities to hold the Super Bowl had open-container districts, he said.
"No city would do such a thing ... unless there were a reasonable return on investment," he told lawmakers before they voted, 81-11, to approve the bill.
Under changes this week to the bill, cities or townships of more than 35,000 people would be able to create up to two open-container districts of no more than a half-mile square. Revelers would have to purchase alcohol from businesses in the designated area to drink it while walking around.
Cities concerned about the additional cost of policing and maintaining the area can elect not to pass an open-container district, Blessing said. Or they can limit the size of the zone to make it easier to maintain.
Even without the permanent open-container zone, this year's Opening Day festivities will still include the traditional one-day block party on Freedom Way and Joe Nuxhall Way, complete with alcohol.
Hmmm....doesn't mention Short Vine. The Banks is mentioned. You know OTR will be in the mix. Wonder why nothing is said of Short Vine...come to think of it, there's not much there, really.
I like the concept, though I think they should refrain from comparing it to Bourbon Street.
I would expect the Reds and the Bengals to get an "green-light."
I would expect a rougher road for the Bearcats... I hope I am wrong, and please correct me if I am, but can anyone really see the Clifton or Correyville neighborhoods getting behind a proposal to allow open containers on Short Vine?
(03-27-2015 10:00 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm....doesn't mention Short Vine. The Banks is mentioned. You know OTR will be in the mix. Wonder why nothing is said of Short Vine...come to think of it, there's not much there, really.
I like the concept, though I think they should refrain from comparing it to Bourbon Street.
Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
(03-27-2015 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:00 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm....doesn't mention Short Vine. The Banks is mentioned. You know OTR will be in the mix. Wonder why nothing is said of Short Vine...come to think of it, there's not much there, really.
I like the concept, though I think they should refrain from comparing it to Bourbon Street.
Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
They had approval to do it on Main Street back in the day but the bar owners actually fought it. Never made a lick of sense to me why.
(03-27-2015 11:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:00 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm....doesn't mention Short Vine. The Banks is mentioned. You know OTR will be in the mix. Wonder why nothing is said of Short Vine...come to think of it, there's not much there, really.
I like the concept, though I think they should refrain from comparing it to Bourbon Street.
Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
They had approval to do it on Main Street back in the day but the bar owners actually fought it. Never made a lick of sense to me why.
Bar owners actually lose money on these things because:
1) They want you to stay in their establishment and buy food and more drinks...
2) They want you to have to BUY their product and not be able to bring it from home.
3) They want you to buy it from THEM and not the bar down the street. If you wander off, especially if their bar is at the far end of the row, they lose your business.
Well, now most of them are closed down since all the business went elsewhere.
Nobody has replied as to whether it would be likely for the Clifton and Correyville neighborhoods to actually be onboard with a Short Vine exception or whether they would likely oppose it. Does anyone actually have any thoughts?
They tried a deal a few years ago that shut down short Vine on gamedays. It didn't catch on. Mostly because it was only open two hours prior to game time. Even if you got there right at the opening, you had to leave at a minimum of 30 minutes prior to kickoff to reach the stadium and your seats.
If they can open it earlier they might have a chance.
(03-27-2015 11:50 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:00 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm....doesn't mention Short Vine. The Banks is mentioned. You know OTR will be in the mix. Wonder why nothing is said of Short Vine...come to think of it, there's not much there, really.
I like the concept, though I think they should refrain from comparing it to Bourbon Street.
Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
They had approval to do it on Main Street back in the day but the bar owners actually fought it. Never made a lick of sense to me why.
Bar owners actually lose money on these things because:
1) They want you to stay in their establishment and buy food and more drinks...
2) They want you to have to BUY their product and not be able to bring it from home.
3) They want you to buy it from THEM and not the bar down the street. If you wander off, especially if their bar is at the far end of the row, they lose your business.
I think they lose some money from those reasons, but they have to make it back by having a lot more people coming to the area. I doubt bars on Bourbon Street are hurting. Most people wouldn't bring beer from home, people like the experience of going out and getting a beer instead of packing a to-go baggy.
(03-27-2015 02:58 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:50 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:00 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm....doesn't mention Short Vine. The Banks is mentioned. You know OTR will be in the mix. Wonder why nothing is said of Short Vine...come to think of it, there's not much there, really.
I like the concept, though I think they should refrain from comparing it to Bourbon Street.
Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
They had approval to do it on Main Street back in the day but the bar owners actually fought it. Never made a lick of sense to me why.
Bar owners actually lose money on these things because:
1) They want you to stay in their establishment and buy food and more drinks...
2) They want you to have to BUY their product and not be able to bring it from home.
3) They want you to buy it from THEM and not the bar down the street. If you wander off, especially if their bar is at the far end of the row, they lose your business.
I think they lose some money from those reasons, but they have to make it back by having a lot more people coming to the area. I doubt bars on Bourbon Street are hurting. Most people wouldn't bring beer from home, people like the experience of going out and getting a beer instead of packing a to-go baggy.
I was listening to a bar owner in Dayton's Oregon District discuss the presence of street vendors. They don't like them. Even though it's good for you and me and it makes the overall environment better, the bar owners don't want you outside buying street vendor food when you can be inside socializing and drinking beer under their roof.
My answer to that - and he didn't like this - was that maybe he needs to offer better stuff under his own roof. Competition is good, right...except when it's against you?
As I mentioned before, The Banks will never be Bourbon Street, but I've down there a number of times when the street has been blocked off for events, and there is a nice atmosphere, a nice buzz about the place.
Someday, I can see OTR being better than Beale and just as good as Bourbon Street - except in it's own, special way. I think OTR is on the way to greatness, and has a high probability to be a tourist destination.
(03-27-2015 03:07 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 02:58 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:50 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote: [ -> ]Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
They had approval to do it on Main Street back in the day but the bar owners actually fought it. Never made a lick of sense to me why.
Bar owners actually lose money on these things because:
1) They want you to stay in their establishment and buy food and more drinks...
2) They want you to have to BUY their product and not be able to bring it from home.
3) They want you to buy it from THEM and not the bar down the street. If you wander off, especially if their bar is at the far end of the row, they lose your business.
I think they lose some money from those reasons, but they have to make it back by having a lot more people coming to the area. I doubt bars on Bourbon Street are hurting. Most people wouldn't bring beer from home, people like the experience of going out and getting a beer instead of packing a to-go baggy.
I was listening to a bar owner in Dayton's Oregon District discuss the presence of street vendors. They don't like them. Even though it's good for you and me and it makes the overall environment better, the bar owners don't want you outside buying street vendor food when you can be inside socializing and drinking beer under their roof.
My answer to that - and he didn't like this - was that maybe he needs to offer better stuff under his own roof. Competition is good, right...except when it's against you?
As I mentioned before, The Banks will never be Bourbon Street, but I've down there a number of times when the street has been blocked off for events, and there is a nice atmosphere, a nice buzz about the place.
Someday, I can see OTR being better than Beale and just as good as Bourbon Street - except in it's own, special way. I think OTR is on the way to greatness, and has a high probability to be a tourist destination.
For some reason I have a renewed interest in the Midpoint. Haven't been in a couple of years. Short Vine would be great, but Calhoun seems better (closer) located and thus more sensible. Traffic might be the problem there, so it would force some business to short Vine. And definitely earlier than 2 hours before game time. I totally agree about competition as well.
(03-27-2015 03:07 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 02:58 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:50 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 11:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2015 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote: [ -> ]Agree - It is not at all smart to make that comparison.
This should have done in multiple areas years ago.
They had approval to do it on Main Street back in the day but the bar owners actually fought it. Never made a lick of sense to me why.
Bar owners actually lose money on these things because:
1) They want you to stay in their establishment and buy food and more drinks...
2) They want you to have to BUY their product and not be able to bring it from home.
3) They want you to buy it from THEM and not the bar down the street. If you wander off, especially if their bar is at the far end of the row, they lose your business.
I think they lose some money from those reasons, but they have to make it back by having a lot more people coming to the area. I doubt bars on Bourbon Street are hurting. Most people wouldn't bring beer from home, people like the experience of going out and getting a beer instead of packing a to-go baggy.
I was listening to a bar owner in Dayton's Oregon District discuss the presence of street vendors. They don't like them. Even though it's good for you and me and it makes the overall environment better, the bar owners don't want you outside buying street vendor food when you can be inside socializing and drinking beer under their roof.
My answer to that - and he didn't like this - was that maybe he needs to offer better stuff under his own roof. Competition is good, right...except when it's against you?
As I mentioned before, The Banks will never be Bourbon Street, but I've down there a number of times when the street has been blocked off for events, and there is a nice atmosphere, a nice buzz about the place.
Someday, I can see OTR being better than Beale and just as good as Bourbon Street - except in it's own, special way. I think OTR is on the way to greatness, and has a high probability to be a tourist destination.
True but on bourbon street during Mardi Gras there are street beer vendors that sell GIANT BEERS, I mean like 100oz or more waste basket sized containers of beer that you absolutely have to drink and hold with two hands. for like $7-10.
And well, so there it is, I kind of forgot what my point I was trying to make.
The last time I was on Bourbon street and still functioning (albeit at a low level)was about 4 am new years eve before the Sugar Bowl hallucinating on those grenade things they sell on the street filled with what could only be described as anti freeze....my wife is laughing talking with some other loaded UC fan....ends up being Tyman. He knew me...I think he had my electronic life profile. That guy was a friggin wizard.
I guess I am the exception in that I come for the GAME. I can drink and eat well lots of places but I pay big money for the GAME.
PBS was nice for the Banks Dining but I hated watching the GAMES at PBS.
Now if Emeril, K Paul or Jean-Robert will open a Bistro on Short Vine then I would care
(03-28-2015 08:41 AM)dossbig Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I am the exception in that I come for the GAME. I can drink and eat well lots of places but I pay big money for the GAME.
PBS was nice for the Banks Dining but I hated watching the GAMES at PBS.
Now if Emeril, K Paul or Jean-Robert will open a Bistro on Short Vine then I would care
No. Way.
I think everyone here goes for the game. The awful sports fans in this town LOVE events/parties/something-to-do-when-the-3rd-quarter-is-over. So the more we make our games and pre/post game atmosphere feel like a weekly special event/party, the more filthy casuals we might llure in to fill in the empty spaces.
Double edged sword however, as this gives people yet another excuse to leave early. Now if only we could get the surrounding restaurants and bars to jack their prices up until they see the gameclock hit 0s. Completely illogical, I know, but these folks will find any reason they can to leave early.
You bit.
Usually he has to soak the bobber a little longer before he gets a hit.
(03-28-2015 10:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]You bit.
Usually he has to soak the bobber a little longer before he gets a hit.
I always have to see him call everyone else a jealous peasant, i wanted a turn. So i had to beat the others to it. Now I wait... itll come, it always does.
(03-28-2015 08:41 AM)dossbig Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I am the exception in that I come for the GAME. I can drink and eat well lots of places but I pay big money for the GAME.
PBS was nice for the Banks Dining but I hated watching the GAMES at PBS.
Now if Emeril, K Paul or Jean-Robert will open a Bistro on Short Vine then I would care
There will be free food and beverages in the new seating area, so perhaps short Vine is not needed.
Now set the hook and REEL!