Grizz up 47-37 at the half. Not to be greedy but it should be more. 13 turnovers, many sloppy & unforced, have kept this a closer game as well as no Ty Lawson for the Nugs. I guess it evens out as no Conley for us. There was even a brief Russ Smith sighting for about 20 seconds. Marc still kind of passive but as long as we're winning I guess it's ok. Good to see Will Barton out there. He's getting a chance for sure.
This starting lineup with Green isn't working. Not enough aggression. Green plays quite a bit in the 2nd unit anyways. Get TA in there!
Another offensive struggle by the Grizz
Man, these refs are clueless tonite!
Geez, I turn the channel w/ the Grizz up 10
1 1/2 minutes later, it's tied. WTF?
1 1/2 minutes later, Grizz back up 7
Not pretty, but a wins a win!
(03-16-2015 08:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ]This starting lineup with Green isn't working. Not enough aggression. Green plays quite a bit in the 2nd unit anyways. Get TA in there!
Remember Jeff Green isn't the problem. At least that's what Joerger insists
(03-16-2015 09:20 PM)springcat Wrote: [ -> ]Geez, I turn the channel w/ the Grizz up 10
1 1/2 minutes later, it's tied. WTF?
Really we were up 79-69 and just a minute or so later it was 79 all. From that point we outscored them 13-2 for a 92-81 win. Glad we gutted it out but we seem to always make it hard on ourselves. On to Detroit.
(03-16-2015 09:41 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2015 08:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ]This starting lineup with Green isn't working. Not enough aggression. Green plays quite a bit in the 2nd unit anyways. Get TA in there!
Remember Jeff Green isn't the problem. At least that's what Joerger insists
I don't think he directly is a problem if that makes sense. With Green in the starting lineup, we technically have 3 post-up players. Green is better at driving to the hole or posting up. As a result, the only starter that is aggressive from the onset is ZBo while Gasol and Green have both become passive possibly trying their unselfish best to defer to each other. With TA in the lineup, that's not necessarily the issue as the bigs then will have to generate offense.
(03-16-2015 11:43 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2015 09:41 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2015 08:39 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ]This starting lineup with Green isn't working. Not enough aggression. Green plays quite a bit in the 2nd unit anyways. Get TA in there!
Remember Jeff Green isn't the problem. At least that's what Joerger insists
I don't think he directly is a problem if that makes sense. With Green in the starting lineup, we technically have 3 post-up players. Green is better at driving to the hole or posting up. As a result, the only starter that is aggressive from the onset is ZBo while Gasol and Green have both become passive possibly trying their unselfish best to defer to each other. With TA in the lineup, that's not necessarily the issue as the bigs then will have to generate offense.
The issue with Green with the starters is Joerger wants him to be aggressive, but he is the 4th option. He's trying to be aggressive, but when doing that out takes away shots from Marc, Zach and Mike. Can't have it both ways and it's killing the energy and from the beginning. Also Green rarely posts up he does most of his damage facing up and either driving or passing them cutting to the basket.
Also the chemistry with Tony and the starters is just so much better. I mean that sequence last night in the 4th I believe where Green for the ball in the corner, ball faked, them shoot a fade away three just summed it all up.
With the whole picture, no Green isn't the complete problem, but with the staters lack of production to start games, Green is the issue
The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
(03-17-2015 12:04 PM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
What Vernon is simply pointing out is what everyone else is pointing out that Green shouldn't be starting. I think he said this morning that Green is a minus 2.5, the worst on the team of guys that play.
(03-17-2015 12:04 PM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
Agreed. Green is not the primary problem. Gasol has begun to defer again and the team is again going through Randolph primarily.
(03-17-2015 12:54 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:04 PM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
Agreed. Green is not the primary problem. Gasol has begun to defer again and the team is again going through Randolph primarily.
Just go back a few games to the Chicago game. Gasol was most aggressive with Green off the court. Like you have said earlier Green clogs up the paint more because he is essentially another post player.
The first step to fixing the problems will to bring Green off the bench. I mean he is only playing the first 4 minutes anyways before being subbed out. So might as well just bring him off the bench.
I know there has been a lot of on court bickering lately with this team, but a lot of that is because of frustration
(03-17-2015 01:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:54 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:04 PM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
Agreed. Green is not the primary problem. Gasol has begun to defer again and the team is again going through Randolph primarily.
Just go back a few games to the Chicago game. Gasol was most aggressive with Green off the court. Like you have said earlier Green clogs up the paint more because he is essentially another post player.
The first step to fixing the problems will to bring Green off the bench. I mean he is only playing the first 4 minutes anyways before being subbed out. So might as well just bring him off the bench.
I know there has been a lot of on court bickering lately with this team, but a lot of that is because of frustration
Yeah bring Green off the bench. But it's not a Green problem primarily; it's not his fault that our starters have all of a sudden got passive. Gasol has been passive unfortunately with or without Green off the court.
(03-17-2015 02:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 01:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:54 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:04 PM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
Agreed. Green is not the primary problem. Gasol has begun to defer again and the team is again going through Randolph primarily.
Just go back a few games to the Chicago game. Gasol was most aggressive with Green off the court. Like you have said earlier Green clogs up the paint more because he is essentially another post player.
The first step to fixing the problems will to bring Green off the bench. I mean he is only playing the first 4 minutes anyways before being subbed out. So might as well just bring him off the bench.
I know there has been a lot of on court bickering lately with this team, but a lot of that is because of frustration
Yeah bring Green off the bench. But it's not a Green problem primarily; it's not his fault that our starters have all of a sudden got passive. Gasol has been passive unfortunately with or without Green off the court.
Well yes, but there is a reason when green is on the court the team has a negative rating than when he is not on the court. Of all the starters and majority bench guys Green is the only one with a negative rating.
Not saying it's all Green, but to ignore that him being on the court is an issue is just plain dumb.
I still firmly believe if TA is implanted back into the starting lineup you'll see a difference in Marc's play as well as Lee's
I agree with that, and I don't think it's Jeff's fault. Move him to the second unit where he can focus on what he does best - scoring.
(03-17-2015 02:29 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 02:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 01:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:54 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:04 PM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]The dogpiling on Green by the local media needs to stop. As it turns out, he's probably a better fit for our bench which is in need of some extra scoring power. But for Vernon to act like Green is the sole reason we keep blowing leads and whatnot is ludicrous. Some of our main players are simply lazy. That has nothing to do with Green.
Agreed. Green is not the primary problem. Gasol has begun to defer again and the team is again going through Randolph primarily.
Just go back a few games to the Chicago game. Gasol was most aggressive with Green off the court. Like you have said earlier Green clogs up the paint more because he is essentially another post player.
The first step to fixing the problems will to bring Green off the bench. I mean he is only playing the first 4 minutes anyways before being subbed out. So might as well just bring him off the bench.
I know there has been a lot of on court bickering lately with this team, but a lot of that is because of frustration
Yeah bring Green off the bench. But it's not a Green problem primarily; it's not his fault that our starters have all of a sudden got passive. Gasol has been passive unfortunately with or without Green off the court.
Well yes, but there is a reason when green is on the court the team has a negative rating than when he is not on the court. Of all the starters and majority bench guys Green is the only one with a negative rating.
Not saying it's all Green, but to ignore that him being on the court is an issue is just plain dumb.
I still firmly believe if TA is implanted back into the starting lineup you'll see a difference in Marc's play as well as Lee's
Maybe Lee's play. Marc is Marc...there's nothing stopping him now from going off. If ZBo can play this well, so can Marc. He plain is just not attacking on offense.
(03-17-2015 03:37 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 02:29 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 02:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 01:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2015 12:54 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Green is not the primary problem. Gasol has begun to defer again and the team is again going through Randolph primarily.
Just go back a few games to the Chicago game. Gasol was most aggressive with Green off the court. Like you have said earlier Green clogs up the paint more because he is essentially another post player.
The first step to fixing the problems will to bring Green off the bench. I mean he is only playing the first 4 minutes anyways before being subbed out. So might as well just bring him off the bench.
I know there has been a lot of on court bickering lately with this team, but a lot of that is because of frustration
Yeah bring Green off the bench. But it's not a Green problem primarily; it's not his fault that our starters have all of a sudden got passive. Gasol has been passive unfortunately with or without Green off the court.
Well yes, but there is a reason when green is on the court the team has a negative rating than when he is not on the court. Of all the starters and majority bench guys Green is the only one with a negative rating.
Not saying it's all Green, but to ignore that him being on the court is an issue is just plain dumb.
I still firmly believe if TA is implanted back into the starting lineup you'll see a difference in Marc's play as well as Lee's
Maybe Lee's play. Marc is Marc...there's nothing stopping him now from going off. If ZBo can play this well, so can Marc. He plain is just not attacking on offense.
I think part of the problem with Marc is when Green is on the court he is trying to get him involved instead of just attacking. Also I Marc just doesn't look right at the moment. I'm wondering if he is playing with an injury that he isn't talking about.
I just know every game I'm just sitting there watching wondering is the team just waiting in TA to come in to start playing