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From 2012-2015 four different non-TR schools won the Tourny. Prior to that it was a rare occurrence:

Maryland: 1958
South Carolina: 1971
Virginia: 1976
Maryland: 1984
Georgia Tech: 1985
Georgia Tech: 1990
Georgia Tech: 1993
Maryland: 2004

What stands out about these stats is that prior to this current run you have to go back 26 years to find four non TR champions, and 40 years to find four different non TR champions. But the most baffling part about all of this is that in the entire history of the ACCT, only four different programs managed to do this before 2012.

As simple as it is to have four different teams win it like this is unprecedented for the conference. Considering how top heavy the conference is and with consistent powers like ville, cuse, and the possibility of a trickle down effect on VT, UVA, BC, Pitt, & ND I think it's safe to say that we will never seen TR dominate like it once did again.

Not too hard to understand what's going on here. Prior to ACC expansion, half of the teams were from NC. Now it's less than 1/3.

(03-15-2015 05:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Not too hard to understand what's going on here. Prior to ACC expansion, half of the teams were from NC. Now it's less than 1/3.

Yeah, but only having 8 non-TR champs is pretty ridiculously lopsided no matter how you put it.

(03-15-2015 05:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Not too hard to understand what's going on here. Prior to ACC expansion, half of the teams were from NC. Now it's less than 1/3.

It was worse than half, except for a two year period when Clemson had Tree Rollins and during 3 years of Rick Barnes' tenure at Clemson, Clemson has generally been non-competitive with whomever is in the top half of the ACC or Southern Conference for the last 90 years.

South Carolina was the "basketball" school in the SoCon and the ACC from South Carolina and the left after 50 years in 1971.

Let's go back to 1933 after the SEC schools left the SoCon the regular season leader is listed first - the champion is listed in bold:

1932–33 South Carolina 3–0 South Carolina Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1933–34 South Carolina 6–0 Washington & Lee Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1934–35 North Carolina 12–1 North Carolina Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1935–36 Washington & Lee 10–1 North Carolina Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1936–37 Washington & Lee 11–1 Washington & Lee Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1937–38 North Carolina 13–3 Duke Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1938–39 Wake Forest 15–3 Clemson Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1939–40 Duke 13–2 North Carolina Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1940–41 North Carolina 14–1 Duke Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1941–42 Duke 15–1 Duke Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1942–43 Duke 12–1 George Washington Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1943–44 North Carolina 9–1 Duke Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1944–45 South Carolina 9–0 North Carolina Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1945–46 North Carolina 13–1 Duke Thompson Gym Raleigh, North Carolina
1946–47 NC State 11–2 NC State Duke Indoor Stadium Durham, North Carolina
1947–48 NC State 12–0 NC State Duke Indoor Stadium Durham, North Carolina
1948–49 NC State 14–1 NC State Duke Indoor Stadium Durham, North Carolina
1949–50 NC State 12–2 NC State Duke Indoor Stadium Durham, North Carolina
1950–51 NC State 13–1 NC State Reynolds Coliseum Raleigh, North Carolina
1951–52 West Virginia 15–1 NC State Reynolds Coliseum Raleigh, North Carolina
1952–53 NC State 13–3 Wake Forest Reynolds Coliseum Raleigh, North Carolina

The Southern Conference split first at 23 members when 13 schools left to form the SEC. The SoCon had been allowed to balloon again by 1937 to 16 members and to 17 by 1950 with the addition of West Va.

In that 20 year period, a champion in basketball came from outside the Big 4, just 5 times. South Carolina, Clemson, George Washington and Washington and Lee twice. The regular season leader only came from outside the state of NC 5 times - West Va, and South Carolina and W&L twice.

Adding basketball centric schools like Syracuse and Louisville, and schools with a history of good basketball programs like ND and Pitt make it impossible for NC schools to dominate as they did before the expansion from 12 to 14.

So yes a tipping point has been reached. K will gone in the next 5 years and UNC's future going forward is not as bright as it's past. State has yet to fully recover from committing basketball suicide in 1991. WF has not shown it has received from Prosser's untimely death.

(03-15-2015 05:18 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Not too hard to understand what's going on here. Prior to ACC expansion, half of the teams were from NC. Now it's less than 1/3.

Yep, and you could have tweeted that. Nice and brief.

TR is having a good showing this year!

Tobacco Road is undefeated in the tournament

(03-23-2015 09:46 AM)Laettners Legacy Wrote: [ -> ]Tobacco Road is undefeated in the tournament

So are 2 of the 4 newbees!!! We are making this ACC thing look GOOD!
FLossY Out...

(03-23-2015 10:21 AM)HRFlossY Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-23-2015 09:46 AM)Laettners Legacy Wrote: [ -> ]Tobacco Road is undefeated in the tournament

So are 2 of the 4 newbees!!! We are making this ACC thing look GOOD!
FLossY Out...

Old School + Nu Skool = Even better ACC Basketball...

(03-15-2015 11:24 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]Adding basketball centric schools like Syracuse and Louisville, and schools with a history of good basketball programs like ND and Pitt make it impossible for NC schools to dominate as they did before the expansion from 12 to 14.

So yes a tipping point has been reached. K will gone in the next 5 years and UNC's future going forward is not as bright as it's past. State has yet to fully recover from committing basketball suicide in 1991. WF has not shown it has received from Prosser's untimely death.

I'm still interested to see how Dino Gaudio would have done if he wasn't fired after a Round of 32 loss in the NCAA Tournament.

There's not much to wonder about, the answer is poorly. Dino's next class busted hard. He wouldn't have recovered from that.

(03-24-2015 03:19 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]There's not much to wonder about, the answer is poorly. Dino's next class busted hard. He wouldn't have recovered from that.

IIRC Gaudio had problems with player behavior on campus - that's not tolerated at WF as it is at other places. If you are at WF your ass better behave.