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One way might be a volume discount on season tickets. Buy one at full price, second at half price, and any further ones at one fourth price. So if the first one is $400, second would be $200, and after that, $100 each. In my case, I'm buying 4 tickets, and paying around $800, part of which is a donation to the athletic fund. If this suggestion would be utilized, I'd possibly move into the leather seats, and pay around $1000, which would increase my payment to the program by around $200 and help fill the lower seats. But I can't afford $1600 to move down a few rows.

Another possibility would be to make the donation to the athletic fund the larger portion of the ticket prices, so the ticketholder could deduct a good portion of the tickets. One or those ideas might work in bringing the majority of the season ticket holders closer to the action and create a more lively game atmosphere.

(02-25-2015 01:11 PM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]One way might be a volume discount on season tickets. Buy one at full price, second at half price, and any further ones at one fourth price. So if the first one is $400, second would be $200, and after that, $100 each. In my case, I'm buying 4 tickets, and paying around $800, part of which is a donation to the athletic fund. If this suggestion would be utilized, I'd possibly move into the leather seats, and pay around $1000, which would increase my payment to the program by around $200 and help fill the lower seats. But I can't afford $1600 to move down a few rows.

Another possibility would be to make the donation to the athletic fund the larger portion of the ticket prices, so the ticketholder could deduct a good portion of the tickets. One or those ideas might work in bringing the majority of the season ticket holders closer to the action and create a more lively game atmosphere.

I mentioned your volume discount to someone at UALR. Said it wouldn't happen because anyone could get together with friends and then buy multiple tickets for a discounted price. It's a good idea in theory, but probably wouldn't work. They could make the offer to you who already buys 4 seats- sell you 4 in the leather section at a discounted price. Although, again, is that fair to someone who already buys 4 leathers at full price.

I wonder how many individuals actually buy four tickets in the leather section? Businesses maybe. I don't know. Just a thought. This is just a guess, but I would imagine most buy one or two tickets in the leather section. More than two? I'd be surprised. That's pretty pricey for most people. How about $400, $300 and $200? That might work!

My suggestion would be separating the men's and women's tickets. I haven't analyzed the numbers, but we could do something like this. Men's and Women's tickets are now $500 (outside leather seats). Make men's tickets $350, women's $175. If you still want both, you get a discounted price like say $475. Most fans would probably continue to get both- But fans who have no interest in women's basketball would only have to pay $350. Again the exact numbers can be played with. Only problem is that we will still have Saturday doubleheaders- not sure how you handle that. Could have an hour between games and offer discount concessions (maybe on Fisher Court) between games for fans who attend both. We need new an innovative ideas and I am certain Chasse will come up with some.

If we have a winning program and more people want to attend, but are confined to the end zones and non court side sections, that would probably dampen their enthusiasm. There has to be a better way to fill up those sections closer to the action. It's stupid to have all those vacant seats because they're priced so high the majority of people are hesitant to buy them.

I do agree that we are unlikely to fill the entire arena. But we can draw enough fans to fill the bottom half of the arena and create a great college atmosphere. The ASU game had both endzones filled, but plenty of empty leather seats. Finding a way to fix that problem should definitely be priority.

(02-25-2015 02:10 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]My suggestion would be separating the men's and women's tickets. I haven't analyzed the numbers, but we could do something like this. Men's and Women's tickets are now $500 (outside leather seats). Make men's tickets $350, women's $175. If you still want both, you get a discounted price like say $475. Most fans would probably continue to get both- But fans who have no interest in women's basketball would only have to pay $350. Again the exact numbers can be played with. Only problem is that we will still have Saturday doubleheaders- not sure how you handle that. Could have an hour between games and offer discount concessions (maybe on Fisher Court) between games for fans who attend both. We need new an innovative ideas and I am certain Chasse will come up with some.

I know some folks who were angry that they had to buy tickets to the men's games to see the women's games. I don't like the idea of separating them. If you have both, you're most likely to attend both.
At least that's been my experience. Just make them affordable.

(02-25-2015 02:18 PM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-25-2015 02:10 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]My suggestion would be separating the men's and women's tickets. I haven't analyzed the numbers, but we could do something like this. Men's and Women's tickets are now $500 (outside leather seats). Make men's tickets $350, women's $175. If you still want both, you get a discounted price like say $475. Most fans would probably continue to get both- But fans who have no interest in women's basketball would only have to pay $350. Again the exact numbers can be played with. Only problem is that we will still have Saturday doubleheaders- not sure how you handle that. Could have an hour between games and offer discount concessions (maybe on Fisher Court) between games for fans who attend both. We need new an innovative ideas and I am certain Chasse will come up with some.

I know some folks who were angry that they had to buy tickets to the men's games to see the women's games. I don't like the idea of separating them. If you have both, you're most likely to attend both.
At least that's been my experience. Just make them affordable.

I have a hard time imagining that Chasse can simply lower season ticket prices in the prime sections. It's hard to "give back" money you are already getting. I guess if he was sure we could double the amount of tickets sold, he could cut prices in half. But, he can't assure that. In hindsight, Chris' decision to maximize the amount of money he got from our small core of dedicated fans was probably the right one. I didn't like it at the time, but casual fans were no more likely to have bought a leather seat for $250 then they were to buy one for $500 seat. Diehard fans like me were going to pay what we had to, to get our prime seats.

(02-25-2015 02:28 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]I have a hard time imagining that Chasse can simply lower season ticket prices in the prime sections. It's hard to "give back" money you are already getting. I guess if he was sure we could double the amount of tickets sold, he could cut prices in half. But, he can't assure that. In hindsight, Chris' decision to maximize the amount of money he got from our small core of dedicated fans was probably the right one. I didn't like it at the time, but casual fans were no more likely to have bought a leather seat for $250 then they were to buy one for $500 seat. Diehard fans like me were going to pay what we had to, to get our prime seats.

That may explain why some of us have been referred to as not being "real fans." I guess if you sat in the cheap seats and didn't want to be robbed, or couldn't afford the "prime seats", that made some of us "casual fans". Only the "diehard fans" were going to pay what they had to, to get the "prime seats." The old caste system I suppose.

Believe I read somewhere that next season there would be no Double Headers. I'm sure I am among the minority on this, but, I sort of like the Double Headers, especially on week-ends. For trips across the river, I feel like I'm getting 2 for the price of 1. I know the 5:30 start for Ladies game is a problem for full-time workers and those with children in school. The question I have is, how will attendance be for the Ladies when it is a stand-alone game?

(02-25-2015 04:08 PM)DollarBill Wrote: [ -> ]Believe I read somewhere that next season there would be no Double Headers. I'm sure I am among the minority on this, but, I sort of like the Double Headers, especially on week-ends. For trips across the river, I feel like I'm getting 2 for the price of 1. I know the 5:30 start for Ladies game is a problem for full-time workers and those with children in school. The question I have is, how will attendance be for the Ladies when it is a stand-alone game?

Saturdays will be doubleheaders. According to Chiefsfan, who seems to be quite in the know, the men will play on Thursdays and the women on Mondays.

Chris did what was right for what he build and the direction he chose to go.

He knew people like and mjs would pay that 500 a seat and that the business guys would too.

He wanted to turn us from a lower middle class / middle class fan base into an upper class fan base like the people that lived by him.

So, we over built the new arena with leather seats and sealed our fate by having to make a payment every month vs just taking the stephens money and building something we could pay in full for up front.

Now ypu got money problems.

The other thing chris did was fail to look at steve and know that this style of ball would never sell to his friends. Add in the lack of winning. If a fan feels like every game is probably just another loss then why come.

Hard to sell that to any fan even hog fans didnt go to their games when the team was perceived the same way.

Chasse has to see ualr for what it is and hold on to about 80% of that. The other 20% you can take chances on.

Rebuild the tip in club that made alltel great.

Change the ticket prices but dont give tickets away. I view our aa baseball team in. Bad way because i only go on free tickets.

If we are a juco school embrace that uab had success doing it that.

I think you have to sell the tickets as a package. I would never buy girls tickets any other way. I think that is true of 80% of the mens ticket holders.




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Chris failed like jc pennys failed.

Jc pennys got ready to take on target and hired a ceo from apple. The new coe started changing pennys into a trip to the apple store.

He put in cashers walking around with ipads.

he quit sending out coupons.

He forgot the core customer was a soccer mom and tried to market to people that were never going to shop there when they had a successful business built.

Pennys had 2 billion in cash reserves when they hired him. They now have a 1/4 of that.

Chris marketed to the upper middle class and rich that are never coming to our games.

He hired a coach that plays big ten style ball in a league that cant recruit skilled bigs.

We are what we are a commuter school that needs to market to the city of little rock and then our alumina.

We play in a guard dominated league most years. Hire a coach that will play that style of ball.

We are a second choice school so Recruit jucos that are looking for a place to play instead of a destination.




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Chris failed like jc pennys failed.

Jc pennys got ready to take on target and hired a ceo from apple. The new coe started changing pennys into a trip to the apple store.

He put in cashers walking around with ipads.

he quit sending out coupons.

He forgot the core customer was a soccer mom and tried to market to people that were never going to shop there when they had a successful business built.

Pennys had 2 billion in cash reserves when they hired him. They now have a 1/4 of that.

Chris marketed to the upper middle class and rich that are never coming to our games.

He hired a coach that plays big ten style ball in a league that cant recruit skilled bigs.

We are what we are a commuter school that needs to market to the city of little rock and then our alumina.

We play in a guard dominated league most years. Hire a coach that will play that style of ball.

We are a second choice school so Recruit jucos that are looking for a place to play instead of a destination.

Very insightful post. Maybe one of the best ever when it comes to explaining why we're in the situation we're in right now. The first thing a business has to do in order to be successful is to recognize their customer base. You can't sell champagne to a beer drinking crowd. And that's what Inside has pointed out so beautifully.

He's right that, although some of the beautiful people will attend our games, we need the common folk. As Abe Lincoln said, "The Lord must have loved the common folks, cause he made so many of them".,

A coach who plays Big Ten style who can't recruit skilled big men.
Absolutely true. How many skilled big men have we ever had? Practically none. It's definitely a guard oriented league.

As to the juco thing, that makes the most sense if we can recruit the right ones. However, if you look at our roster, we have some pretty good kids who we recruited out of high school. Josh, Ben, Marius, Mariek and Gus. We don't want to give up on signing good high school kids, but probably our success would be quicker and greater with the right jucos. But that requires a simplified offense and defense since they don't have four years to learn the system.

Anyway, this might be Inside's best and most insightful post ever.
I salute you sir!

Yes, I'd say that Insider said it about as well as it can be said. I'm pretty sure that are still a lot fans who like Steve as a person, but there aren't many left who really like his game. But this program has become so used to be poor to mediocre, that most fans that are left, have come to believe that is all we can be. They've been told so many times "who can we get that would be any better" that they actually believe it. It's kinda like a person who has been poor all his life, and his kids will grow up thinking that's all they can be also.

As Zig Ziegler would say "That's stinkin thinkin!"

We have never drawn the "redneck" crowd to UALR games and never will. The vast majority of UALR fans are well-educated and upper middle class. A sizeable percentage are transplants to this area. The pigs own the redneck crowd and always will. They won't come out of the deer woods for a UALR game, but might for a hog game. I just don't see that changing. Maybe Chris slightly "overshot" our demographic, but not by a whole lot. I'm not sure why we haven't done better in the black community, and believe that is an area were we could grow some fans if we made an effort to do so.

(02-26-2015 01:38 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]We have never drawn the "redneck" crowd to UALR games and never will. The vast majority of UALR fans are well-educated and upper middle class. A sizeable percentage are transplants to this area. The pigs own the redneck crowd and always will. They won't come out of the deer woods for a UALR game, but might for a hog game. I just don't see that changing. Maybe Chris slightly "overshot" our demographic, but not by a whole lot. I'm not sure why we haven't done better in the black community, and believe that is an area were we could grow some fans if we made an effort to do so.

I can't understand why we haven't attracted more black fans either. I've advocated for several years that we need to get a good young black coach, not because I believe in affirmative action, which I don't, but because most of the basketball players are black, and a black coach might relate more to the players and the black fans. No, I'm not saying that if another Mike Newell comes along, you pass him up to get a black coach. Hell no, hire the best coach available(after doing a nationwide search of Pulaski County), regardless of his skin pigmentation. Get a real winner in here, and you'd be hard pressed finding a fan who gave a crap what color the coach was.

(02-26-2015 11:40 AM)outsideualr Wrote: [ -> ][quote='insideualr' pid='11809099' dateline='1424958179']
Chris failed like jc pennys failed.

Jc pennys got ready to take on target and hired a ceo from apple. The new coe started changing pennys into a trip to the apple store.

He put in cashers walking around with ipads.

he quit sending out coupons.

He forgot the core customer was a soccer mom and tried to market to people that were never going to shop there when they had a successful business built.

Pennys had 2 billion in cash reserves when they hired him. They now have a 1/4 of that.

Chris marketed to the upper middle class and rich that are never coming to our games.

He hired a coach that plays big ten style ball in a league that cant recruit skilled bigs.

We are what we are a commuter school that needs to market to the city of little rock and then our alumina.

We play in a guard dominated league most years. Hire a coach that will play that style of ball.

We are a second choice school so Recruit jucos that are looking for a place to play instead of a destination.

Very insightful post. Maybe one of the best ever when it comes to explaining why we're in the situation we're in right now. The first thing a business has to do in order to be successful is to recognize their customer base. You can't sell champagne to a beer drinking crowd. And that's what Inside has pointed out so beautifully.

He's right that, although some of the beautiful people will attend our games, we need the common folk. As Abe Lincoln said, "The Lord must have loved the common folks, cause he made so many of them".,

A coach who plays Big Ten style who can't recruit skilled big men.
Absolutely true. How many skilled big men have we ever had? Practically none. It's definitely a guard oriented league.

As to the juco thing, that makes the most sense if we can recruit the right ones. However, if you look at our roster, we have some pretty good kids who we recruited out of high school. Josh, Ben, Marius, Mariek and Gus. We don't want to give up on signing good high school kids, but probably our success would be quicker and greater with the right jucos. But that requires a simplified offense and defense since they don't have four years to learn the system.

Anyway, this might be Inside's best and most insightful post ever.
I salute you sir!

[attachment=6645]thx jerry

(02-26-2015 01:38 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ]We have never drawn the "redneck" crowd to UALR games and never will. The vast majority of UALR fans are well-educated and upper middle class. A sizeable percentage are transplants to this area. The pigs own the redneck crowd and always will. They won't come out of the deer woods for a UALR game, but might for a hog game. I just don't see that changing. Maybe Chris slightly "overshot" our demographic, but not by a whole lot. I'm not sure why we haven't done better in the black community, and believe that is an area were we could grow some fans if we made an effort to do so.

Micky you are lower/middle class. You were raised lower middle class and your income level now puts you in the upper middle class, just like me your speech,dress and other things point back to this.

When I was in n college everyone I knew pretty much played college sports.

When I was a pilot pretty much everyone was a pilot

When I was into scuba everyone I knew was pretty much into scuba.

When I was an engineer pretty much everyone was an engineer. Same as an architect

When I was a season ticket holder in the leather seats pretty much everyone was upper middle class that was 1st generation at the level of the American cast system....,,,

Are you a redneck?