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Got this link from a poster on the Realignment board. Very interesting. This map from the NYTimes shows us who has fans where. Surprised how well Louisville does in Kentucky outside of Louisville, Pitt does outside of Pittsburgh. Also surprised at how well SU does in NYC and Long Island. We keep hearing from Uconn and Rutgers fans how they have large followings in NYC, but its SU that shows up in almost every zip code in that area. while those schools can hardly be found in those zip codes.



NY TIMES MAP

I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

(02-23-2015 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

Yes indeed. No more dirty debates with wannabees telling SU fans how much support they have in NYC. Or hearing these folks tell us how worthless it is for Syracuse to invest in marketing to the City and LI.

(02-23-2015 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

We never had control of the state. They have always had the larger fanbase due to being a larger school and located in the center of the state.

(02-23-2015 10:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Got this link from a poster on the Realignment board. Very interesting. This map from the NYTimes shows us who has fans where. Surprised how well Louisville does in Kentucky outside of Louisville, Pitt does outside of Pittsburgh. Also surprised at how well SU does in NYC and Long Island. We keep hearing from Uconn and Rutgers fans how they have large followings in NYC, but its SU that shows up in almost every zip code in that area. while those schools can hardly be found in those zip codes.



NY TIMES MAP

http://csnbbs.com/thread-706434.html

I posted this very same map oct 4, 2014 ...

A DAY LATE & A DOLLAR SHORT

(02-23-2015 12:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

We never had control of the state. They have always had the larger fanbase due to being a larger school and located in the center of the state.

Maybe it just seemed that way back in the '80's? Back then it seemed like everywhere (except Columbia itself) was Tiger Territory...

(02-23-2015 01:41 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 10:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Got this link from a poster on the Realignment board. Very interesting. This map from the NYTimes shows us who has fans where. Surprised how well Louisville does in Kentucky outside of Louisville, Pitt does outside of Pittsburgh. Also surprised at how well SU does in NYC and Long Island. We keep hearing from Uconn and Rutgers fans how they have large followings in NYC, but its SU that shows up in almost every zip code in that area. while those schools can hardly be found in those zip codes.



NY TIMES MAP

http://csnbbs.com/thread-706434.html

I posted this map oct 4, 2014 ...

A DAY LATE & A DOLLAR SHORT

I do remember this. The difference is that the link you provided doesnt allow us to click on the area of interest and show the zip codes and percentages of fans in that zip code.

(02-23-2015 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

That's because UGA has the ubiquitous Wal-mart fanbase all over the state. Every yokel picks up a t-shirt at Walmart and hollers "Go Dawgs" with a toothless grin.

(02-23-2015 02:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 01:41 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 10:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Got this link from a poster on the Realignment board. Very interesting. This map from the NYTimes shows us who has fans where. Surprised how well Louisville does in Kentucky outside of Louisville, Pitt does outside of Pittsburgh. Also surprised at how well SU does in NYC and Long Island. We keep hearing from Uconn and Rutgers fans how they have large followings in NYC, but its SU that shows up in almost every zip code in that area. while those schools can hardly be found in those zip codes.



NY TIMES MAP

http://csnbbs.com/thread-706434.html

I posted this map oct 4, 2014 ...

A DAY LATE & A DOLLAR SHORT

I do remember this. The difference is that the link you provided doesnt allow us to click on the area of interest and show the zip codes and percentages of fans in that zip code.

it does ...
dig deeper ...

DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE

(02-23-2015 02:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 12:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

We never had control of the state. They have always had the larger fanbase due to being a larger school and located in the center of the state.

Maybe it just seemed that way back in the '80's? Back then it seemed like everywhere (except Columbia itself) was Tiger Territory...

Nah, it's always been this way.

The only place we have lost ground is in Western NC. We can thank Ken Hatfield for that. Reason #457162 I hope he spends eternity getting kicked in the groin at least once a day.

(02-23-2015 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I think this data is a couple years old now, but still interesting.

Syracuse basically "delivers" the entire state of NY
BC needs to do better outside of Boston
Pitt does OK in Western PA, I guess
Notre Dame delivers Indiana, totally dominating the 2 Big Ten schools there
UNC dominates NC - the other 3 schools are hardly a blip
VT rules VA
UL controls the biggest population area, while UK rules the back woods of KY
Clemson has lost control of SC since the chickens joined the SEC
GT doesn't even control Atlanta (ouch!)
FSU and Miami each rule their part of Florida, which is highly segmented.

mark, the map is complete and utter bs. Clemson has at least a 50/50 share of SC, probably closer to 60/40. the map is bogus.

And Duke delivers a national TV audience for basketball that dwarfs that of any other school, including UK.

IIRC, the methodology is based on facebook likes. This skews female and young, because if you are not a facebook user, you don't show up and if your particular school is not a heavy facebook user your school will fall behind schools that use facebook a great deal - all things being equal.

This is not as bad as some scurrilous work the Times posted several years ago that used voluntary responses from campuses to create a map by some piss poor Geography grad students. Their committee chair should have been called on the carpet for letting that piece of crap become public.

As with any social science problem - the first issue is definition. What is a fan? I would suggest that a facebook like is not necessarily a sports fan and I have firsthand proof as the wife "likes" UNC-Ch as a she has a degree from UNC-Ch, but she is most definitely an NC State's sports fan (poor girl). I don't use facebook.

Moreover, if you have had any recent procedure at UNC Hospital - you are going to be contact by email and prompted at some point to interact with them via Facebook or another platform. WF Hospital does the same, and Duke Hospital offers the same.

For me, I would attempt to define a fan as someone who would buy a ticket or actively attempt to watch a game rather than do something else with that 2-4 hours.

In NC we call the casual UNC fan a Wal-Mart fan - this is typically a person who could gain admission to any UNC institutions, let alone UNC-Ch, but likes to associate with the basketball team. (To be an NC State after 25 years in the wilderness requires you to be a real NC State with a solid connection to NC State)

Moreover, the use of "likes" doesn't even allow for a differentiation between football and basketball. UNC-Ch and Duke have lots of basketball fans that don't begin to follow their football teams.

When I am in SC, I don't get the impression that the Gamecocks have that much more support than Clemson. I don't see that on display in the Myrtle Beach area, or in Charlotte.

"Real" fans tend to make a visual display of their allegiance with a banner, flag, sticker, etc. Accurately measuring that would be an absolute *****. That means that substitute metrics like merchandise sold or facebook likes are used.

(02-23-2015 07:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]IIRC, the methodology is based on facebook likes. This skews female and young, because if you are not a facebook user, you don't show up and if your particular school is not a heavy facebook user your school will fall behind schools that use facebook a great deal - all things being equal.

This is true. More specifically, it is based on FB "likes" to the schools' football Facebook page , I believe. If a school does not put resources into a football specific page (and instead focuses on a general school athletics page), then that school would likely get under reported here.

(02-23-2015 07:10 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 07:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]IIRC, the methodology is based on facebook likes. This skews female and young, because if you are not a facebook user, you don't show up and if your particular school is not a heavy facebook user your school will fall behind schools that use facebook a great deal - all things being equal.

This is true. More specifically, it is based on FB "likes" to the schools' football Facebook page , I believe. If a school does not put resources into a football specific page (and instead focuses on a general school athletics page), then that school would likely get under reported here.

Eagle, I don't believe the researchers claim regarding discrete football Facebook page likes - I suspect that most of their raw data is co-mingled with other sports and other aspects of the university's involved as some of those universities bounce any facebook contact all around the University.

The wife get's inundated with Facebook stuff from UNC-Ch and it's far beyond her major, athletics, etc., it's departments and schools that she or I have never had first hand contact and I suspect it comes from the Alumni Association - UNC's alumni association is one the best in the nation when it comes to keeping up with you - you can't hide from them. Change jobs and they know it. NC State's alumni operation was in the stone age until about 5 years ago and could not keep up with me even when I called them.

I also know that WF and Duke never lose track of you. Even if your point of contact is just their hospitals.

(02-23-2015 01:41 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-23-2015 10:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]Got this link from a poster on the Realignment board. Very interesting. This map from the NYTimes shows us who has fans where. Surprised how well Louisville does in Kentucky outside of Louisville, Pitt does outside of Pittsburgh. Also surprised at how well SU does in NYC and Long Island. We keep hearing from Uconn and Rutgers fans how they have large followings in NYC, but its SU that shows up in almost every zip code in that area. while those schools can hardly be found in those zip codes.



NY TIMES MAP

http://csnbbs.com/thread-706434.html

I posted this very same map oct 4, 2014 ...

A DAY LATE & A DOLLAR SHORT

The Internet was broken that day.

IMHO, the real difference maker is where a school is #2/3. What makes UF, Texas, Michigan, and ND so valuable isn't that they're #1 in their area. Sure, that helps a lot, but a lot of schools are #1 in large geographic areas and/or population areas. The real differentiating factor IMHO is UF's popularity a thousand miles away in areas like NYC. The same goes for Michigan (in NYC) and Texas in the Midwest, and ND pretty much everywhere. The fact that UNC is the #3 brand in northern North Dakota speaks to how much of a national brand it is, and why UNC is so rich/profitable. That's where the ACC lacks. There aren't enough Carolinas.

****** map is ******. Greenville-Spartanburg for the Chickens? Uhhhhh no. The Atlanta NE suburbs for the leg humpers? Uhhhhh no. Montana for Oregon? Uhhhhhhh no.

All this tells me is that FB is a poor metric. Which is already kinda obvious.

Why does GT have the northeast suburbs?

(02-24-2015 05:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]Why does GT have the northeast suburbs?

Highly affluent. High degree of transplants. Not the kind of place you find scores of Wal-Mart fans.