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(02-15-2015 10:42 PM)winston70 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 10:04 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 09:52 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 09:43 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]RS 17:3217

§3217. University of Louisiana System

The University of Louisiana System is composed of the institutions under the supervision and management of the Board of Supervisors for the University of Louisiana System as follows:

(1) Grambling State University at Grambling.

(2) Louisiana Tech University at Ruston.

(3) McNeese State University at Lake Charles.

(4) Nicholls State University at Thibodaux.

(5) Northwestern State University of Louisiana at Natchitoches.

(6) Southeastern Louisiana University at Hammond.

(7) The University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

(8) The University of Louisiana at Monroe.

(9) The University of New Orleans.

10) Any other college, university, school, institution or program now or hereafter under the supervision and management of the Board of Supervisors for the University of Louisiana System.

Added by Acts 1975, No. 313, §2, eff. July 17, 1975. Amended by Acts 1980, No. 250, §1; Acts 1992, No. 341, §1, eff. July 1, 1992; Acts 1995, No. 45, §1, eff. June 8, 1995; Acts 1995, No. 634, §1, eff. June 20, 1995; Acts 1997, No. 33, §1, eff. May 29, 1997; Acts 1997, No. 1369, §1, eff. July 1, 1997; Acts 1998, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 151, §1, eff. July 1, 1999; Acts 2011, No. 419, §1, eff. July 12, 2011.

Can you show me where it says La Tech has to use Ruston? I can show you where it says you have to use Lafayette

It's your official name according to state law.

No it isn't.

And try reading the rules this time. They say that ONLY schools named "University of Louisiana" must use "at" and the city identifier as their names. The rules say nothing about any school other than ULL and ULM using "at" and a city identifier. That is the price for the ULXs not having a unique university name.

And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".

Facts usually confuse our Cajun friends

I don't know what this document is that the Cajuns keep referencing to bolster their claim, but I do KNOW that Ruston is not, nor has ever been, part of Louisiana Tech's name.

The document they keep using for some reason puts the location of the institution. I'm sure that the Cajuns know their claim is false, but they can put this document out there without the part that explains how and why the information is conveyed as it is. I'm sure they know, for example, that UNO's official name is NOT The University of New Orleans at New Orleans. That would make no sense and would be dumb even for Louisiana.

The Cajuns have no logical argument, and conveniently leave out the part that they (USL) put the deal together and persuaded NLU to become the University of Louisiana @ Monroe, enticing them with being supportive of ULM becoming a SLC member. USL pulled a con job on ULM, the UL system, and the state legislator. They do deserve congratulations on executing their plan.

(02-16-2015 10:10 AM)stodgdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 10:42 PM)winston70 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 10:04 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 09:52 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: [ -> ]Can you show me where it says La Tech has to use Ruston? I can show you where it says you have to use Lafayette

It's your official name according to state law.

No it isn't.

And try reading the rules this time. They say that ONLY schools named "University of Louisiana" must use "at" and the city identifier as their names. The rules say nothing about any school other than ULL and ULM using "at" and a city identifier. That is the price for the ULXs not having a unique university name.

And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".

Facts usually confuse our Cajun friends

I don't know what this document is that the Cajuns keep referencing to bolster their claim, but I do KNOW that Ruston is not, nor has ever been, part of Louisiana Tech's name.

The document they keep using for some reason puts the location of the institution. I'm sure that the Cajuns know their claim is false, but they can put this document out there without the part that explains how and why the information is conveyed as it is. I'm sure they know, for example, that UNO's official name is NOT The University of New Orleans at New Orleans. That would make no sense and would be dumb even for Louisiana.

The Cajuns have no logical argument, and conveniently leave out the part that they (USL) put the deal together and persuaded NLU to become the University of Louisiana @ Monroe, enticing them with being supportive of ULM becoming a SLC member. USL pulled a con job on ULM, the UL system, and the state legislator. They do deserve congratulations on executing their plan.

Oh good lord.....hyperbole much? What 'con job' was 'pulled?' And no one brings up who iniated the agreement because it really does not matter.....it has no bearing on the argument.
But I do agree with you that ruston is not part of the ltu name, and it's pretty silly to say otherwise.

(02-15-2015 10:51 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 07:25 PM)stodgdog Wrote: [ -> ]What invalidates your point is that UL@L is only one of the UL@X schools. Any other school also has the right to change its name to UL@X. The college in Lafayette is not the main campus. If you are implying LSU is the most affected, you are wrong. LSU is the least affected.

LSU clearly has a vested interest in keeping any other school from projecting the image of a flagship. That's how the whole thing started back in the early '80s.

Regardless, whether it's LSU, ULM, or Louisiana College leading the charge, just address it, already. If everyone--including 8 other schools within the System--is in agreement that ULL is so flagrantly breaking the law on such a grand scale, why the crap do they put up with it? Does ULL have incriminating video of Southeastern and UNO disposing a body in the woods, or what?

The whole thing is just bizarre.

It truly is bizarre.

You are right, LSU objected to USL becoming the University of Louisiana. But, USL brokered the deal that resulted in the ULXs. The other members of the University of Louisiana system, which does not include LSU, are the ones most affected as ULL is attempting to portray themselves as above the other member schools. Were this to cause a change in public perception of the quality of the schools, it could cause real harm to the other member schools, primarily ULM, the very institution USL persuaded and whose cooperation was vital in order for the ULXs to come about. It was a train wreck from the very beginning and a foolish endeavor to pursue.

Louisiana Tech will be the least affected of the system schools if ULL succeeds in their plan, as Tech is already nationally recognized athletically as a CUSA member, and is the only National Tier 1 Research University of the system schools. But, that does not make it OK for ULL to misrepresent itself, and in effect the other system schools. Wrong is wrong.

Also, regardless of what the Cajuns say or what partial document they reference, Ruston is NOT part of Tech's official name, which is Louisiana Tech University.

Yes, ltu will be least affected, but they are BY FAR the ones who complain the most about it. Yeah, that's logical.
And again, please show us the facts behind the claim that we are doing something wrong.....facts, not opinions, suppositions about the future, hurt pride, etc.

Btw....my last post on this thread.
My points are made, and this is a cusa board, lol

(02-16-2015 10:08 AM)VermilionWhite Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 09:45 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 11:52 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.

I can understand a political unwillingness to file a suit and make a spectacle of it, but why would even that be necessary? I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.

Funding....Its all about Funding. If we or any other school initiates infighting with in the University of Louisiana system there could be funding issues. There is a certain amount of solidarity given the political climate here in LA. Tech and ULM can just as easily let LSU or ESPN fight our fight for us with out getting our hands dirty or losing a much needed ally. Thats why you only hear ULL and Tech fans whining about it on message boards and not much in the newspaper. Make no bones about it ULL is violating the very essence of the law.

1) I have no idea what this theory about infighting affecting funding is based on, but it is not based on facts. What does it even mean? Would the system withhold funding because someone filed a grievance about another school???? Besides which, if what we are doing is flagrantly wrong and everyone is so against it, why would just one school need to initiate it? It would be EXTREMELY easy for the board, etc., to just say 'stop it.' No lawsuits (lol) would be needed.
2) Let's also not forget that not one shred of evidence about the usage of 'Louisiana' violates any law has been presented Here, or anywhere else. None. Zero. Zip. Why? Because it doesn't exist. 'Essence' is very subjective, and again has no bearing on what is legal or not.
Personal attacks will surely follow, but FACTS won't.

1. You have no idea how things work. ULL helps Tech get certain funding and vice versa. You are over simplifying the process.
2. WE post the legal documents showing how ULL has violated the law at least once per thread that goes down this road. I don't know why you must come here and expect to be called something that is legaly not your name. This is a CUSA board. I'm certain that if you had posted ULL vs UTSA this would not have devolved as it always does.

(02-15-2015 11:52 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.

I can understand a political unwillingness to file a suit and make a spectacle of it, but why would even that be necessary? I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.

That is a good question and I don't know why it hasn't been stopped.

Were a lawsuit filed, I think a good legal argument could be made against ULL and its use of UL or Louisiana. It could be shown that ULLs administration contacted local and national media stating they preferred to be called UL or Louisiana. This is clearly in violation of the law, and one of many examples of their illegal and unethical pursuit.

(02-16-2015 10:34 AM)VermilionWhite Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, ltu will be least affected, but they are BY FAR the ones who complain the most about it. Yeah, that's logical.
And again, please show us the facts behind the claim that we are doing something wrong.....facts, not opinions, suppositions about the future, hurt pride, etc.

All you have to do is read the law. It's not my opinion, it is the law.

Thanks for ruining another topic with the usual crap, Louisianians.

Entertaining series. UTSA was lucky to get the Cajuns early in the season while they were still figuring it out. Short stop and first baseman were extremely talented players.

I really liked what I saw out of UTSA's JUCO transfers. Starting to think the Runners could surpass their #5 pre season conference ranking if they find another solid starter.

(02-16-2015 11:08 AM)stodgdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 10:34 AM)VermilionWhite Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, ltu will be least affected, but they are BY FAR the ones who complain the most about it. Yeah, that's logical.
And again, please show us the facts behind the claim that we are doing something wrong.....facts, not opinions, suppositions about the future, hurt pride, etc.

All you have to do is read the law. It's not my opinion, it is the law.

The law applies to the use of the term University of Louisiana or UL. Briefly, it states an official or any administrator or anyone in a state capacity must use the city designation when referring to University of Louisiana or UL. Its that simple and they even stipulated how the wording should be shown on uniforms, etc. Now, it is NOT against the law to call themselves Louisiana or Louisiana Rajun Cajuns or whatever. However, they cannot license, trademark, or otherwise restrict the use of Louisiana by any other team. The way other state teams can muddy the water is have their uniforms show Louisiana Warhawks, Louisiana Lions, Louisiana Cowboys, Louisiana Colonels, etc. It would be funny and I would buy a ticket to go see the game if the McNeese State team ran out of the dressing room and onto Cajun Field with Louisiana Cowboys on their unies.

I totally support the Cajuns as a Coda member, the league made a mistake by not taking them earlier, but as a neutral person in this name dispute I dont agree with their UL stuff. If they came to this board as who they are then I think they would pick up a lot of support.

(02-16-2015 11:28 AM)eager eagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 11:08 AM)stodgdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 10:34 AM)VermilionWhite Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, ltu will be least affected, but they are BY FAR the ones who complain the most about it. Yeah, that's logical.
And again, please show us the facts behind the claim that we are doing something wrong.....facts, not opinions, suppositions about the future, hurt pride, etc.

All you have to do is read the law. It's not my opinion, it is the law.

The law applies to the use of the term University of Louisiana or UL. Briefly, it states an official or any administrator or anyone in a state capacity must use the city designation when referring to University of Louisiana or UL. Its that simple and they even stipulated how the wording should be shown on uniforms, etc. Now, it is NOT against the law to call themselves Louisiana or Louisiana Rajun Cajuns or whatever. However, they cannot license, trademark, or otherwise restrict the use of Louisiana by any other team. The way other state teams can muddy the water is have their uniforms show Louisiana Warhawks, Louisiana Lions, Louisiana Cowboys, Louisiana Colonels, etc. It would be funny and I would buy a ticket to go see the game if the McNeese State team ran out of the dressing room and onto Cajun Field with Louisiana Cowboys on their unies.

I totally support the Cajuns as a Coda member, the league made a mistake by not taking them earlier, but as a neutral person in this name dispute I dont agree with their UL stuff. If they came to this board as who they are then I think they would pick up a lot of support.

(02-16-2015 11:27 AM)cokermania Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for ruining another topic with the usual crap, Louisianians.

Entertaining series. UTSA was lucky to get the Cajuns early in the season while they were still figuring it out. Short stop and first baseman were extremely talented players.

I really liked what I saw out of UTSA's JUCO transfers. Starting to think the Runners could surpass their #5 pre season conference ranking if they find another solid starter.

As I said before, it mainly starts when our conference mates call them Louisiana. Stop doing that no threads would be ruined. Thank you for your support of a fellow conference mate. Congrats on the wins this weekend to your baseball team.

(02-16-2015 01:19 PM)LATech95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 11:27 AM)cokermania Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for ruining another topic with the usual crap, Louisianians.

Entertaining series. UTSA was lucky to get the Cajuns early in the season while they were still figuring it out. Short stop and first baseman were extremely talented players.

I really liked what I saw out of UTSA's JUCO transfers. Starting to think the Runners could surpass their #5 pre season conference ranking if they find another solid starter.

As I said before, it mainly starts when our conference mates call them Louisiana. Stop doing that no threads would be ruined. Thank you for your support of a fellow conference mate. Congrats on the wins this weekend to your baseball team.

Congrats on getting swept by Southeastern over the weekend.

(02-15-2015 03:25 AM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ]I said I wasn't going to say any more about this name business, but something new occurred to me.

It started with a question: Being that the genesis of the naming law was to protect LSU's ego, why haven't the powers that be in Baton Rouge stepped in to put the kibosh on ULL branding themselves as "Louisiana?" Tech fans have said the other system schools just have to take it because it's not politically viable for them to in-fight, but we all know the LSU lobby could force ULL to follow the law to the letter (no pun intended) without breaking a sweat if they so desired.

That LSU hasn't taken any action seems to indicate that either they went through a lot of trouble only to forget about the whole thing after a couple of years, or ULL in fact succeeded in finding a legally solid loophole.

Looking at the law as quoted (and yes, highlighted) in the above posts, it very clearly says you can't use "University of Louisiana," the abbreviation "UL," or any derivations thereof without including the name of the city. However, it does not say the use of the word "Louisiana" by itself is prohibited. A few minutes on the Cajuns' athletic website, and it looks like they're dancing that dance pretty carefully when it comes to their logos, schedules, media guides, and game recaps. I did find a 2012 football media guide with a "University of Louisiana" footer on every other page and a lot of "UL" references inside it, but found no such examples within any current materials (the footer in the 2015 softball media guide is "Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns"). According to the actual wording of the law, the "UL" baseball caps and a few "UL" Twitter handles are in violation, but the overall branding scheme of simply calling the teams "Louisiana" is not. It's a steaming pile of semantic b.s., but such is the nature of laws.

Your bolded part hit it perfectly.

The law only applies when saying "University of Louisiana." When I refer to my school's athletic programs as Louisiana Ragin Cajuns, how am I violating state law?

Also, what is the punishment for violating the law? Can someone point out the penalties?

(02-16-2015 10:10 AM)stodgdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 10:42 PM)winston70 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 10:04 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 09:52 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: [ -> ]Can you show me where it says La Tech has to use Ruston? I can show you where it says you have to use Lafayette

It's your official name according to state law.

No it isn't.

And try reading the rules this time. They say that ONLY schools named "University of Louisiana" must use "at" and the city identifier as their names. The rules say nothing about any school other than ULL and ULM using "at" and a city identifier. That is the price for the ULXs not having a unique university name.

And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".

Facts usually confuse our Cajun friends

I don't know what this document is that the Cajuns keep referencing to bolster their claim, but I do KNOW that Ruston is not, nor has ever been, part of Louisiana Tech's name.

The document they keep using for some reason puts the location of the institution. I'm sure that the Cajuns know their claim is false, but they can put this document out there without the part that explains how and why the information is conveyed as it is. I'm sure they know, for example, that UNO's official name is NOT The University of New Orleans at New Orleans. That would make no sense and would be dumb even for Louisiana.

The Cajuns have no logical argument, and conveniently leave out the part that they (USL) put the deal together and persuaded NLU to become the University of Louisiana @ Monroe, enticing them with being supportive of ULM becoming a SLC member. USL pulled a con job on ULM, the UL system, and the state legislator. They do deserve congratulations on executing their plan.

The "document" is a Louisiana Revised Statute. Are you implying that one should not follow Revised Statutes?

UTSA plays in a small ballpark, but we "soldout" all 3 games of the opening series

(02-16-2015 02:59 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 01:19 PM)LATech95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 11:27 AM)cokermania Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for ruining another topic with the usual crap, Louisianians.

Entertaining series. UTSA was lucky to get the Cajuns early in the season while they were still figuring it out. Short stop and first baseman were extremely talented players.

I really liked what I saw out of UTSA's JUCO transfers. Starting to think the Runners could surpass their #5 pre season conference ranking if they find another solid starter.

As I said before, it mainly starts when our conference mates call them Louisiana. Stop doing that no threads would be ruined. Thank you for your support of a fellow conference mate. Congrats on the wins this weekend to your baseball team.

Congrats on getting swept by Southeastern over the weekend.

Not classy

(02-16-2015 11:28 AM)eager eagle Wrote: [ -> ]Now, it is NOT against the law to call themselves Louisiana or Louisiana Rajun Cajuns or whatever. However, they cannot license, trademark, or otherwise restrict the use of Louisiana by any other team. The way other state teams can muddy the water is have their uniforms show Louisiana Warhawks, Louisiana Lions, Louisiana Cowboys, Louisiana Colonels, etc. It would be funny and I would buy a ticket to go see the game if the McNeese State team ran out of the dressing room and onto Cajun Field with Louisiana Cowboys on their unies.

Someone had mentioned this earlier, but here are the wordmark and football helmets used by Louisiana-Monroe from 2003-2005 according to SportsLogos.net and the nationalchamps.net Helmet Project.



Apparently, they blinked first.

(02-16-2015 03:10 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-16-2015 10:10 AM)stodgdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 10:42 PM)winston70 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-14-2015 10:04 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]It's your official name according to state law.

No it isn't.

And try reading the rules this time. They say that ONLY schools named "University of Louisiana" must use "at" and the city identifier as their names. The rules say nothing about any school other than ULL and ULM using "at" and a city identifier. That is the price for the ULXs not having a unique university name.

And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".

Facts usually confuse our Cajun friends

I don't know what this document is that the Cajuns keep referencing to bolster their claim, but I do KNOW that Ruston is not, nor has ever been, part of Louisiana Tech's name.

The document they keep using for some reason puts the location of the institution. I'm sure that the Cajuns know their claim is false, but they can put this document out there without the part that explains how and why the information is conveyed as it is. I'm sure they know, for example, that UNO's official name is NOT The University of New Orleans at New Orleans. That would make no sense and would be dumb even for Louisiana.

The Cajuns have no logical argument, and conveniently leave out the part that they (USL) put the deal together and persuaded NLU to become the University of Louisiana @ Monroe, enticing them with being supportive of ULM becoming a SLC member. USL pulled a con job on ULM, the UL system, and the state legislator. They do deserve congratulations on executing their plan.

The "document" is a Louisiana Revised Statute. Are you implying that one should not follow Revised Statutes?

What I'm saying is the document you folks cut and paste denote the location of each school in the system. But, Ruston is not part of Louisiana Tech University's official name. The name of UNO is the University of New Orleans, not the University of New Orleans at New Orleans. But, you already know all of that.

Didn't ULL's SID pitch a fit and call ESPN...ESPN-Bristol because he was mad about ESPN using the La. lafayette?