Change for the sake of change is never a good thing. I never understood why those who don't truly like the sport have such strong opinions on changing it.
It's the same thing with speeding up baseball. The people who don't watch baseball want it faster.
(02-07-2015 02:27 AM)verycoolnin Wrote: [ -> ]It's the same thing with speeding up baseball. The people who don't watch baseball want it faster.
Exactly
(02-07-2015 02:27 AM)verycoolnin Wrote: [ -> ]It's the same thing with speeding up baseball. The people who don't watch baseball want it faster.
Couldn't agree more.
Baseball is only "slow" for casual fans.
For baseball die hards, it's perfect.
That's the beauty of baseball.
Could you imagine, a closer doesn't get a moment to collect himself for the final strike of a pennant game? Just leave it alone dammit.
Well a pitch clock is coming to AA and AAA baseball so get ready.
(02-07-2015 02:18 AM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]Change for the sake of change is never a good thing. I never understood why those who don't truly like the sport have such strong opinions on changing it.
Change is inevitable. Do you remember: when there wasn't a shot clock? when there wasn't a three-point line? when "palming" was called? when dunking wasn't allowed? when women played six-person, half-court ball? when 6'7" was huge? when converse was the shoe to wear?
The game you know today is
not pure basketball. It is a game that has evolved and will continue to evolve. If you want "pure" basketball, you will have to go back to the two-handed set shot.
I'm fine with the pace of the college men's game. The high school game needs to change and add a shot clock. I was just reading yesterday a HS game in NC, ended 2-0.
(02-07-2015 09:01 AM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]Well a pitch clock is coming to AA and AAA baseball so get ready.
I imagine batting averages will spike for awhile, until it becomes the new norm. I do not like this at all as it will tend to homogenize the game. Having a variety of pitchers who work at different speeds is a very important thing to consider when building a rotation. This will change a fundamental component of the game, and in the end will actually damage it's viability. I swear bureaucrats suck the lifeblood out of everything good.
As in baseball, the move to a shorter clock, I suppose, is meant to make the game more watchable to those who are not interested in the game in the first place by giving it more "eye appeal." In both cases it comes down to those paying the bills (and selling the ad space) trying to figure out how to wring the last dime out of their "product" by artificially trying to make it more "appealing" to segments of people who don't care anyway. They will end up killing the goose who lays the golden eggs by turning off the real fans. Newsflash... sports is not your product, they are the passion of the fans, and if you lose us you have nothing! :rantonsimmer:
I think the slow pace of the game has nothing to do with the shot clock. I have felt for a long time that the slow, grinding pace of play in the college game is due to the lack of movement on offense. If you watch old games, it seemed that the teams ran an offensive set with a lot of movement. Look at John Wooden's teams, he ran what i believe was called a spread but my HS coach called it the "baseline." in the college game today, the offense is nothing more than a guards dribbling out front and then getting a high screen from the big guy. not much imagination there.
I'd argue the lack of movement is directly related to how physical the game has become. Teams don't play defense anymore, they play clutch and grab. I know this isn't popular, but I think referees need to call more fouls (in the short term) to remove some of the physicality from the game and allow the offenses to flow more smoothly.
I can't sit through a baseball game. I just find it boring. I doubt a pitch clock will do much to change that. I am fine either way with what they do with the shot clock. NBA is 24 seconds. I don't think it will bring in more fans if that is the goal.
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I hate the NBA because too many times it is a two-man game at the offensive end. I like a zone defense that forces the offense to pass the ball. I love multiple ball reversals in a single possession. I love seeing movement without the ball.
When the offense fails to find an opening, and the shot clock winds down, we often see a guard work one-on-one against a spread out defense. If the shot clock is shortened, we will just see that more often. Then it comes down to the team with the best one-on-one guard as the team with the best chance to win a game. I'm not in favor of this. It is a team game and it needs to stay that way.
Football has become too QB dependent. I don't want to see basketball become position dependent.
I'm a huge baseball fan. But I understand the argument of it being too slow. In my mind, it is the time between innings that takes too long. When you play baseball at the little league level, as soon as the third out is recorded, players scramble to find their hats and gloves and get on the field. Watch a major league game and you will see them sitting on the bench for a long time before they make a move to the field. Including pitchers.
Coach. Right on! That's pretty much it.
Basketball used to be a game of beauty. Can't say that much now a days. Plus, the players don't work enough on shooting and skill development. Basketball could use a lot more Curry types IMO. Go look at Twardzik film or Pete Maravich. That is basketball baby. Of course there has only been one Pistol Pete.
(02-07-2015 09:55 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]I'd argue the lack of movement is directly related to how physical the game has become. Teams don't play defense anymore, they play clutch and grab. I know this isn't popular, but I think referees need to call more fouls (in the short term) to remove some of the physicality from the game and allow the offenses to flow more smoothly.
I agree. Especially around the basket. I think that the rule changes against hand checking on the perimeter, combined with the 1000 moving screens in the pick and roll game have really bogged the game down. Teams are playing more zone than ever now that you can't push up on guards without getting called for a foul. Even Duke has been forced into a zone. Shortening the shot clock will only make offense worse. Imagine this: a team uses token pressure to force you to use nearly ten seconds to get the ball up the court. They then drop back into a zone and you spend another 10 seconds getting into your zone offense. That leaves 10 seconds to attack the rim. Shooting percentages will plummet and we will still be looking at 60 point games. The last time they shortened the shot clock, scoring took a hit. The entire idea is counter intuitive. If you want offense to be more efficient, give them more time to find a good shot.
(02-07-2015 09:26 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fine with the pace of the college men's game. The high school game needs to change and add a shot clock. I was just reading yesterday a HS game in NC, ended 2-0.
I bet Blaine Taylor was there to recruit some of those players!
(02-07-2015 10:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]I can't sit through a baseball game. I just find it boring. I doubt a pitch clock will do much to change that. I am fine either way with what they do with the shot clock. NBA is 24 seconds. I don't think it will bring in more fans if that is the goal.
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I love the game of baseball. I even coached at the high-school level for a long time, but MLB is absolutely brutal to watch. Any change to improve the pace is welcomed. At every other level of baseball pitchers are taught to work quickly, why they need to take forever between pitches in MLB is beyond me. Pitchers will adjust just fine, most of them grew up working with pace. If I were the king of baseball, I would take it a step further and shorten games to 7 innings. Nobody needs to watch the parade of middle relief that takes place. Just reduce it to starters and closers/setup men. Obviously that will never happen, but if it did, I would actually be able to enjoy a baseball game again.
I like 30 second shot clock. Coaches in college want to over coach and run the offense several times in each possession.
I'm not saying it has to be a track meet, but let's eliminate the 20 seconds of teams just passing along the perimeter wasting time.