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Disclaimer: Some of my math is probably wrong. It's hard to find consistent numbers about UAB period and it is hard to tell exactly where all of the athletic money goes, so I could easily be off by a few hundred K or even a million. It's also likely their reallocation did not use all of the money "saved" from dropping football, but who really knows at this point.

A document produced by CarrSports for UAB and dated Nov. 30, 2014, outlines how UAB could spend the savings made from killing the three sports programs. A reallocation outline shows:

$800,000 directed to student athletes for cost of attendance,
$200,000 for six new track and field scholarships,
$300,000 for athletes' meals and nutrition,
$850,000 for sports and support operations,
$150,000 for athlete equipment,
$100,000 for track and field coaching staff,
$450,000 for enhanced compensation for existing coaching positions,
$750,000 for one-time investment in sports equipment.


-According to CBSSports, UAB lowballed football donations by $785,000 for the 2012-2013 year and annually.
-Another 129,000$ donations projection per year wasn't calculated into the Carr report.
-Up to 1,000,000$ annually lost unaccounted for after CUSA drops UAB.

Total: 1.914 million loss unaccounted for annually.

After removing the track and field related stuff that was to maintain Title IX due to football's removal and the "one time" sports equipment investment, UAB is planning to reallocate:

$800,000 directed to student athletes for cost of attendance,
$300,000 for athletes' meals and nutrition,
$850,000 for sports and support operations,
$150,000 for athlete equipment,
$450,000 for enhanced compensation for existing coaching positions

2.55 million planned to be reallocated that is not related to the new track and field team or the one time 750k investment.

$2,550,000
-$1,914,000
= $636,000

In reality, UAB only has a grand total of around 636,000$ annually to reallocate after using just a few of the numbers they failed to include in their report. If you want to, you can include the 750k investment and make it over 5 years at 150k which puts the savings at 786,000$ annually.

If you add in the many other smaller criteria that was never used such as walk-on tuition, student enrollment increases, etc, UAB football is easily revenue neutral or positive. I also wouldn't be surprised if part of those supposed savings were the savings projected from cutting the band budget by 250k, some dance/cheer team stuff etc, even though they say they're not cutting these programs... so it is non existent savings. I'm also not even including the 2014-2015 season that likely would yield higher revenue as a baseline.

UAB will be paying out up to 2.43 million over the next couple of years for games, which at best means UAB won't even break EVEN on this whole ordeal until around 3 or 4 years from now. That's being pretty optimistic for them.

Furthermore, if you include students fees:

UAB student fees are roughly 5 million yearly at the moment. You can't just cut a bunch of athletic programs and other program budgets and expect student fees to stay the same (even though they probably will go up )

UAB football is 29% of the athletic budget.

$5,000,000 * .29 = $1,450,000 in student fees allocated to football.

-$786,000
+$1,450,000

UAB football is 664,000$ positive after including 29% of student fees. Once you include the track and field stuff that would be replacing football, that number is at 334,000$. If you added in other points like student enrollment, clothing sales, and the advertising that comes from having a D1 FBS football team, that number goes up quite a bit more as well. I'm guessing it would be +1 to 3 million at minimum.

Great effort. Sad thing is PWC or whomever will come up with a big loss because someone needs help on a contract somewhere with someone who knows the brother's, brother of the governor.

This figuring is beginning to remind me of the replay rule in FB. "If there is no conclusive proof, the play stands as called". That appears to be where the UAB appeal of the "Study" is headed.

(01-10-2015 12:41 AM)uabco95 Wrote: [ -> ]Great effort. Sad thing is PWC or whomever will come up with a big loss because someone needs help on a contract somewhere with someone who knows the brother's, brother of the governor.

I only spent a few minutes looking these numbers up and compiling this (which is why it looks like garbage ). If I spent a day or so looking at other studies done on student enrollment increases due to football and advertisement sales, as well as making sure all numbers are correct, I could probably produce a much easier to read list outlining why UAB football is profitable and give a ballpark of about how much. I might do it sometime over the weekend if I have time, but I'm in crunch time at work.

Quote:-Up to 1,000,000$ annually lost unaccounted for after CUSA drops UAB.

Even more is lost when you consider
1)the playoff agreement which pays each non-power conference(G5) $12Million to be evenly dispersed to teams($12M/15 teams=$800,000
2) share of bowl money - I think school gets 50% and conference splits other 50%(not available w/o D1 football)
3) if CUSA team gets into big bowl game as Marshall almost did(not available w/o D1 football), conference teams split between $8-$12million.
4) share of NCAA tourney money(less money in lower D1 basketball conference)
5) TV football exposure is FREE publicity for school. One big reason UA's enrollment, particularly out of state, has increased is free publicity from televised football games.

(01-10-2015 12:53 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:-Up to 1,000,000$ annually lost unaccounted for after CUSA drops UAB.

Even more is lost when you consider
1)the playoff agreement which pays each non-power conference(G5) $12Million to be evenly dispersed to teams($12M/15 teams=$800,000
2) share of bowl money - I think school gets 50% and conference splits other 50%(not available w/o D1 football)
3) if CUSA team gets into big bowl game as Marshall almost did(not available w/o D1 football), conference teams split between $8-$12million.
4) share of NCAA tourney money(less money in lower D1 basketball conference)
5) TV football exposure is FREE publicity for school. One big reason UA's enrollment, particularly out of state, has increased is free publicity from televised football games.

I'm pretty sure the CFP money was included in the Carr report, though under projected as I don't believe it accounted for the extra money given to the G5 conferences depending on how they were ranked (extra 5 million to top ranked conference, 1 million to worst). I can't find the longer Carr report (50ish pages?), so if someone has that, feel free to link it to me.

(01-10-2015 12:51 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2015 12:41 AM)uabco95 Wrote: [ -> ]Great effort. Sad thing is PWC or whomever will come up with a big loss because someone needs help on a contract somewhere with someone who knows the brother's, brother of the governor.

I only spent a few minutes looking these numbers up and compiling this (which is why it looks like garbage ). If I spent a day or so looking at other studies done on student enrollment increases due to football and advertisement sales, as well as making sure all numbers are correct, I could probably produce a much easier to read list outlining why UAB football is profitable and give a ballpark of about how much. I might do it sometime over the weekend if I have time, but I'm in crunch time at work.

We are all doing what we can and this effort is awesome as is. Don't forget to cook this one in . . . I went to UAB undergrad and ohio state grad school. Went to the UAB at OSU game a couple years back. We had a big time. What was that experience worth in dollars? How do we put a price tag on me living in DC now because of job and football/basketball have been my main connections to campus for the past 15 years, or that I was planning on bringing my young daughters to a real homecoming every year once they are old enough to get it? This is why some of this financial analysis is somewhat irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and why just about everyone has football right now except for us. Geez this is soooo frustrating. Watts needs to go now.

Saw it mentioned here and had not really thought about it before. How much does UAB make from the selling of officially licensed gear? Might be difficult to see and get a breakdown of how much is specifically football related (ie jerseys, stadium seats, etc) but we all know that overall total spent on UAB merchandise goes down without football. Definitely something else that should have been included in a thorough analysis.

They need to take into account the actual cash profit / loss. The scholarship numbers skew this. What will be difficult to quantify is the collateral benefits football has to a university. Not sure how they can go about doing that.