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The Atlanta Hawks will soon be for sale:

http://time.com/3652583/atlanta-hawks-sale/

I doubt the team will relocate, but it has previously played in St. Louis, Milwaukee, Moline (as "Tri-Cities") and Buffalo. Coincidentally, the Braves and Hawks were both in Milwaukee from 1953-55.

(01-03-2015 08:39 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]The Atlanta Hawks will soon be for sale:

http://time.com/3652583/atlanta-hawks-sale/

I doubt the team will relocate, but it has previously played in St. Louis, Milwaukee, Moline (as "Tri-Cities") and Buffalo. Coincidentally, the Braves and Hawks were both in Milwaukee from 1953-55.

I had no idea the Hawks had moved through that many cities.

Can't sell what no one will buy

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

Relocation to Seattle ala the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg?

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

I'm unsure if Philips Arena is included in the sale, but even without it the Hawks are a franchise on the rise. Anything under a billion is a good deal, IMO.

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

The Milwaukee Bucks sold for 565 million two years ago...someone will buy and will likely pay close to 1 billion for it.

Haven't followed the Hawks here for years and years, same as most Atlantans. But I noticed recently that they seem to be a very good team this year and heard they fired the GM, Danny Ferry I think, who put this team and coach together. That makes no sense at all, but is typical of how this franchise has been run and why so many people in Atlanta don't care.

Main thing about pro hoops is that it is too individual, and not enough team compared to watching college hoops. Best thing the pro NBA could do would be to make the shot clock 35 or 45 seconds and widen the court to allow some room for the bigger players nowadays. And make dunks only worth 1 point instead of 2pts so players would actually have to return to good fundamentally-skilled basketball play that is far more enjoyable to watch/pay for a ticket to see.

Hope they find a buyer who will rehire the GM that put together this winning team after so many bad ones in Atlanta, but not holding my breath. When do pitchers and catchers report?

(01-07-2015 03:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]... and heard they fired the GM

He wasn't fired. He's still the GM. One of the owners who said something racist sold his share, or announced it was for sale. One or the other. Doesn't matter now. It's already blown over.

(01-07-2015 03:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Haven't followed the Hawks here for years and years, same as most Atlantans. But I noticed recently that they seem to be a very good team this year and heard they fired the GM, Danny Ferry I think, who put this team and coach together. That makes no sense at all, but is typical of how this franchise has been run and why so many people in Atlanta don't care.

Main thing about pro hoops is that it is too individual, and not enough team compared to watching college hoops. Best thing the pro NBA could do would be to make the shot clock 35 or 45 seconds and widen the court to allow some room for the bigger players nowadays. And make dunks only worth 1 point instead of 2pts so players would actually have to return to good fundamentally-skilled basketball play that is far more enjoyable to watch/pay for a ticket to see.

Hope they find a buyer who will rehire the GM that put together this winning team after so many bad ones in Atlanta, but not holding my breath. When do pitchers and catchers report?

Have you ever seen the San Antonio Spurs play?

(01-05-2015 12:44 AM)RaiderATO Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

I'm unsure if Philips Arena is included in the sale, but even without it the Hawks are a franchise on the rise. Anything under a billion is a good deal, IMO.

You know what a debacle to ownership group is along with the fact that despite the great team the Hawks are putting on the floor, no one is showing up. Think about that, the Cavs, Knicks and Celtics all suck but a team at the top of the Eastern Conference can't crack 16K in attendance. The current owners were essentially flippers, so I'm sure they want a billion dollar offer. But outside of a couple of affluent hip hop stars, I don't see many with the cash who could see the Hawks as a profitable investment opportunity.

(01-08-2015 12:09 AM)RaiderATO Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2015 03:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]... and heard they fired the GM

He wasn't fired. He's still the GM. One of the owners who said something racist sold his share, or announced it was for sale. One or the other. Doesn't matter now. It's already blown over.

Oh. As I said, I haven't been following them too closely. I saw they were for sale, then checked their record in the standings, and saw a blurb about they fired their GM, but obviously that was wrong.

So, if they haven't fired their GM, and he's the one who built this team and got this coach, and the team hasn't been great for the last 20 years, one would hope that the new owners would keep the current GM instead of firing him. Caveat to that is Atlanta hasn't won a second round playoff series since the franchise was located in St. Louis and won the NBA Championship.

Surprisingly, even when Dominique Wilkins was there, they never got out of the second round. Back in the day, I was there in person at a few of their playoff games. City was excited. Boston was in town. Couldn't get past the Bird-man and Co. After following them a few years thereafter with the same results, and then they went into the tank I and I guess most other Atlanta fans lost interest in the hawks. Also, the early 90's was when the Braves came alive in baseball, and Atlanta made them the primary team to focus on for many years.

I do wish them well, as right now, neither the Braves or Falcons are doing well, so there is an opening for a winning franchise to get some fans. I have faith the Braves will be good again in a few years, and drove by their new stadium construction last week and it will be pretty nice, but the traffic is going to be terrible, and no MARTA stops nearby, which is how I have usually gone to games the last 20 years.

Anyway, Danny Ferry seems to be a very good GM, so hope the new owners retain him for the excellent job he's done getting a comatose franchise to perform on all cylinders after 20 years of stinking.

(01-08-2015 11:37 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2015 12:09 AM)RaiderATO Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2015 03:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]... and heard they fired the GM

He wasn't fired. He's still the GM. One of the owners who said something racist sold his share, or announced it was for sale. One or the other. Doesn't matter now. It's already blown over.

Oh. As I said, I haven't been following them too closely. I saw they were for sale, then checked their record in the standings, and saw a blurb about they fired their GM, but obviously that was wrong.

So, if they haven't fired their GM, and he's the one who built this team and got this coach, and the team hasn't been great for the last 20 years, one would hope that the new owners would keep the current GM instead of firing him. Caveat to that is Atlanta hasn't won a second round playoff series since the franchise was located in St. Louis and won the NBA Championship.

Surprisingly, even when Dominique Wilkins was there, they never got out of the second round. Back in the day, I was there in person at a few of their playoff games. City was excited. Boston was in town. Couldn't get past the Bird-man and Co. After following them a few years thereafter with the same results, and then they went into the tank I and I guess most other Atlanta fans lost interest in the hawks. Also, the early 90's was when the Braves came alive in baseball, and Atlanta made them the primary team to focus on for many years.

I do wish them well, as right now, neither the Braves or Falcons are doing well, so there is an opening for a winning franchise to get some fans. I have faith the Braves will be good again in a few years, and drove by their new stadium construction last week and it will be pretty nice, but the traffic is going to be terrible, and no MARTA stops nearby, which is how I have usually gone to games the last 20 years.

Anyway, Danny Ferry seems to be a very good GM, so hope the new owners retain him for the excellent job he's done getting a comatose franchise to perform on all cylinders after 20 years of stinking.

I'm a Wizards fan I would've gladly taken that 20 years of stinking over what the Wizards/Bullets franchise did in that time frame.

As far as the Hawks this season go, I highly reccomend watching them. They play good team basketball and have some very good dudes. Teague is a fantastic facilitator and most teams can't handle the Milsap/Horford combo down low. I think I read that 10 of their last 11 wins are against teams currently slated to make the playoffs.

(01-04-2015 11:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]Relocation to Seattle ala the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg?

Don't forget about the Flames!

(01-08-2015 10:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2015 12:44 AM)RaiderATO Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

I'm unsure if Philips Arena is included in the sale, but even without it the Hawks are a franchise on the rise. Anything under a billion is a good deal, IMO.

You know what a debacle to ownership group is along with the fact that despite the great team the Hawks are putting on the floor, no one is showing up. Think about that, the Cavs, Knicks and Celtics all suck but a team at the top of the Eastern Conference can't crack 16K in attendance. The current owners were essentially flippers, so I'm sure they want a billion dollar offer. But outside of a couple of affluent hip hop stars, I don't see many with the cash who could see the Hawks as a profitable investment opportunity.

Philips is owned by Atl-Fulton Co, but it is operated by the Hawks (Atlanta Spirit). The current owner will be very concerned about keeping the Hawks at Philips because, even though no one shows up, it is somehow the most profitable arena in the country.

(01-08-2015 02:17 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2015 11:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]Relocation to Seattle ala the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg?

Don't forget about the Flames!

(01-08-2015 10:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2015 12:44 AM)RaiderATO Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

I'm unsure if Philips Arena is included in the sale, but even without it the Hawks are a franchise on the rise. Anything under a billion is a good deal, IMO.

You know what a debacle to ownership group is along with the fact that despite the great team the Hawks are putting on the floor, no one is showing up. Think about that, the Cavs, Knicks and Celtics all suck but a team at the top of the Eastern Conference can't crack 16K in attendance. The current owners were essentially flippers, so I'm sure they want a billion dollar offer. But outside of a couple of affluent hip hop stars, I don't see many with the cash who could see the Hawks as a profitable investment opportunity.

Philips is owned by Atl-Fulton Co, but it is operated by the Hawks (Atlanta Spirit). The current owner will be very concerned about keeping the Hawks at Philips because, even though no one shows up, it is somehow the most profitable arena in the country.

Wait, so the Spirit want to sell the team but not the arena rights? If that's the case the new owner should team up with the Braves in Cobb County for a new home.

(01-09-2015 08:45 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2015 02:17 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2015 11:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]Relocation to Seattle ala the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg?

Don't forget about the Flames!

(01-08-2015 10:44 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-05-2015 12:44 AM)RaiderATO Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2015 03:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't sell what no one will buy

I'm unsure if Philips Arena is included in the sale, but even without it the Hawks are a franchise on the rise. Anything under a billion is a good deal, IMO.

You know what a debacle to ownership group is along with the fact that despite the great team the Hawks are putting on the floor, no one is showing up. Think about that, the Cavs, Knicks and Celtics all suck but a team at the top of the Eastern Conference can't crack 16K in attendance. The current owners were essentially flippers, so I'm sure they want a billion dollar offer. But outside of a couple of affluent hip hop stars, I don't see many with the cash who could see the Hawks as a profitable investment opportunity.

Philips is owned by Atl-Fulton Co, but it is operated by the Hawks (Atlanta Spirit). The current owner will be very concerned about keeping the Hawks at Philips because, even though no one shows up, it is somehow the most profitable arena in the country.

Wait, so the Spirit want to sell the team but not the arena rights? If that's the case the new owner should team up with the Braves in Cobb County for a new home.

I do not believe Spirit has the ability to transfer rights or operation of the facility.

Philips is very nice and I, personally, do not want to see a new stadium or arena for a long time.

Atlanta Hawks as of 1/22/15:
35-8 .814 W14

Apparently they are playing historically good basketball. The last time they won 14 in a row (franchise record) was 1993-94 when they finished first in the NBA Eastern Conference. Lenny Wilkens got Coach of the Year award. That year's final record was 57-25 .695 and the Hawks beat the Miami Heat 3-2 in first round of playoffs, then proceeded to lose 4-2 in the second round to the Indiana Pacers.

The following season, 1994-95, they fell to 42-40, finishing 7th in the eastern Conference, and losing in the first round of the playoffs, again to the Pacers, 3-0.

The Hawks have never won a second round playoff series since the franchise was relocated to Atlanta from St. Louis in the 1968-69 season. the St. Louis Hawks won the NBA Championship in 1957-58 when they finished 41-31, .563 first in the old NBA Western and defeated the Pistons 4-1 in the Division Finals and defeated the Celtics 4-2 in the NBA Finals.

The St. Louis Hawks also appeared in the NBA Finals in 1959-60 and 1960-61 where they lost to the Celtics both times.

The Hawks were located in Milwaukee from the 1951-52 to the 1954-55 seasons before they moved to St. Louis. They did not make the playoffs any of their four years in Milwaukee, finishing 5th and 4th in the old NBA Western.

They were known as the Tri-Cities Hawks (Moline, IL) before that, finishing 5th in the Western in 1950-51, and finishing 3rd in the Western in 1949-50, where they lost in the playoffs Division semifinals 2-1 to the Packers!



Their origins can be traced to the establishment of the Buffalo Bisons in 1946, a member of the National Basketball League. After 13 games of their inaugural season, the team moved to Moline, Illinois and became the Tri-Cities Blackhawks. In 1949, they joined the National Basketball Association (NBA) as part of the National Basketball League and the Basketball Association of America merger. In 1951, the team moved to Milwaukee, where they changed their name to the Hawks. The team moved again in 1955 to St. Louis, where they won their only NBA Championship in 1958. The Hawks moved to Atlanta in 1968, where they have been ever since.

The Hawks currently own the second-longest run (behind the Sacramento Kings) of not winning an NBA title at 56 years. All the franchise's NBA Finals appearances and lone NBA championship took place when the team resided in St. Louis. Meanwhile, since the elimination of first-round byes in 1967, they have not advanced beyond the second round in any playoff format.

Much of the failure they've experienced in the postseason can be traced back to their poor history in the NBA draft. Since 1980, the Hawks have drafted only three players who have been chosen to play in an All-Star game (Doc Rivers, Kevin Willis, and Al Horford; Dominique Wilkins was actually selected by the Utah Jazz and traded to the Hawks a few months after the draft). Horford is the only All-Star Hawk to have been drafted since Willis was selected in 1984, and is also the only first-rounder the Hawks selected in their nine-year playoff drought to play in an NBA All-Star Game.

So if these Hawks can finish strong and do better in the playoffs (get past the second round) then suspended GM Danny Ferry would have done something truly unique and historic.

They haven't lost since they've been on sale.

15 in a row now. New Hawks franchise record. Now 36-8 (.818)
Kind of hard not to notice now around here.
Beat the OKC Thunder 103-93.

upcoming games are:
vs Minnesota (7-35)
vs Brooklyn (18-26)
vs Portland (32-13)
vs Philadelphia (8-36)
at New Orleans (22-21)

(01-25-2015 02:16 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

15 in a row now. New Hawks franchise record. Now 36-8 (.818)
Kind of hard not to notice now around here.
Beat the OKC Thunder 103-93.

upcoming games are:
vs Minnesota (7-35)
vs Brooklyn (18-26)
vs Portland (32-13)
vs Philadelphia (8-36)
at New Orleans (22-21)

I must admit I'm intrigued. everyone loves a winner, especially when it's this unexpected. reminds me a bit of the Braves in 1991 worst to first season. Hope Hawks can keep it up and take it past the second round, finally. City is getting excited and behind them:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soaring-haw...--nba.html

''It's cool to get your name in the record book,'' DeMarre Carroll said. ''At the same time, we've got bigger tasks at hand. That's making it to the playoffs and bringing an NBA championship to Atlanta.''

The crowd of 19,203 marked the third sellout in Atlanta's last four games. In a sign that the attendance-challenged city is really getting behind its team, most of the crowd came to cheer for the home team rather than to see an out-of-town star.

''They've jumped on the bandwagon now,'' Durant said. ''The crowd was great tonight and really helped them out.''

The Clippers aren't in the realm of a similar title drought? The Bucks? Nets? Pacers? Or are they considering ABA titles?