words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
edit: cox: "lots of things concerning news about southern miss.....maybe the biggest most recently is the logo..." man, I am fkn stoked about that perception...
jfc, these people don't have a clue how to market a product......
just dadgummity dig-dag-dog.....
(12-24-2014 08:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
Spill the beans, what happened?
(12-24-2014 08:54 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2014 08:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
Spill the beans, what happened?
I'm still processing this crapola.....just see subsequent edits....
(12-24-2014 08:54 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2014 08:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
Spill the beans, what happened?
Our ad had a end of the year summary and a talk of what is upcoming. BUT because of who he isnt a group will discount any and everything he says. Some people want him to fail at all costs.
I watched the whole 48 or however many minutes earlier today. Once you get past the b.s. sunshine-and-roses opening (and honestly, what are McGillis & Cox supposed to say, "Everything's a train wreck and we're doomed?"), it wasn't a bad promo.
Lots of new info re: the coliseum renovation, which will be unveiled to the public next month, as well as what's next in terms of facility goals.
One thing that was kinda funny was during the discussion of football...Cox said something about the team improving with every single game, and McGillis immediately acknowledged the UAB game, as if to say, "Come on, John, don't lay it on quite that thickly."
McGillis pretty much admitted basketball is going to struggle, but with after losing so many starters and with the NCAA thing looming, said he felt it was important to hire an experienced coach to lead us through it.
There was a lot of bragging on our athletes' academic performance.
One thing McGillis said that wasn't exactly brain surgery but was nice to hear someone say out loud was that while support is needed in lean times more than ever, ultimately, winning is what creates excitement and leads to more fan involvement and financial stability.
McGillis said where CUSA goes regarding the UAB situation would be addressed at the next administrative meetings and not any sooner. He did say he was not in favor of adding a new 14th school just for the sake of doing it. Anyone coming in needs to have enough value to cover their share of the pot. Furthermore, he repeated his words from when he was hired: "Conference USA is not our destination, but it is our home." Simply put, if we become the best athletic program in the conference, we'll be ready if & when other opportunities arise.
Things were rounded out with the usual "buy season tickets, join the Eagle Club" pitch, with a LOT of emphasis on the home football opener vs. Mississippi State.
(12-24-2014 10:56 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: [ -> ]Our ad had a end of the year summary and a talk of what is upcoming. BUT because of who he isnt a group will discount any and everything he says. Some people want him to fail at all costs.
Those would be the same Mensa nominees who think the current director of the Eagle Club is doing such an awful job, he should be replaced with the very same person who hired him.
(12-24-2014 10:56 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: [ -> ]Our ad had a end of the year summary and a talk of what is upcoming. BUT because of who he isnt a group will discount any and everything he says. Some people want him to fail at all costs.
Bingo. If it was done by McGillis' predecessor, I'm sure it would be the Greatest! Podcast! EVER!!!1!11!
(12-24-2014 08:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
edit: cox: "lots of things concerning news about southern miss.....maybe the biggest most recently is the logo..." man, I am fkn stoked about that perception...
jfc, these people don't have a clue how to market a product......
just dadgummity dig-dag-dog.....
The podcast notwithstanding, I don't know how anyone could effectively market a product that has deteriorated as severely as the USM brand has. The "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime" mantra has passed to others and is only valid if you are actually playing someone of standing with a puncher's chance of winning. When the schedule was dotted with 3-5 SEC schools, well-regarded fellow Southern independents and quality national brands, USM didn't have to be a 10-11 win team to get people excited about the program. It was enough that Illinois, Nebraska, Texas A&M and others were coming to Hattiesburg and the Golden Eagles had a shot to win because of the talent on the field.
It's almost impossible to positively market a program that has been passed over multiple times by the Big East and now the AAC. These snubs brought into clear focus why USM will never be considered for a P5 conference and will have trouble gaining admittance to a higher level G5 conference. Now, winning will make USM fans feel better about their program, but it still won't translate into a move up unless the P5s gut the AAC and MW. Then the best USM will be able to say is they are reunited with former peers.
IMHO, there are ways out of this hole. Not the least of these is extremely aggressive scheduling. Generate an attractive schedule and you'll put butts in the seats. The program doesn't seem to understand its position and is in denial about where it can legitimately land. That denial is fine if you have a workable plan and the commitment to see it through.
There was a time not too long ago that USM was just as likely as Ole Miss or Mississippi State to sign the most top in-state prospects. Mississippi players' perception of USM was positive then, but I'm not seeing that now. There has to be a strong, consistent, aggressive effort to the point of arrogance to lift USM out of its malaise. The coach they currently have may be an outstanding coach, but I don't think he projects confidence or enthusiasm. IMHO, he is just marking time for the next guy and the next guy needs to be bold, brash and ready to pick a fight.
It's just my two cents. But is really chaps my butt to see the program fall so far that I don't even want to drive the 30 miles to M.M. Roberts to watch them play. It's just too depressing. I'd rather watch Jones vs. Pearl River than USM vs. much of CUSA.
Sorry but us shareholders have a totally different opinion of Monken. This past you we scheduled about as aggressive as you can with 8 built in conf games. According to this which is usually as correct as the bible since it favors the sec schools we had the 15th best schedule in the country.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/SEC-had-four-o...n-33560578
Which sec school do you consider yourself a "fan" of bammer or lsu? Like most sec homers in our area you dont want to drive the 30 miles to see us play but you sure as hell dont mind living off the money we generate for this area.
(12-27-2014 11:33 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2014 08:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
edit: cox: "lots of things concerning news about southern miss.....maybe the biggest most recently is the logo..." man, I am fkn stoked about that perception...
jfc, these people don't have a clue how to market a product......
just dadgummity dig-dag-dog.....
The podcast notwithstanding, I don't know how anyone could effectively market a product that has deteriorated as severely as the USM brand has. The "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime" mantra has passed to others and is only valid if you are actually playing someone of standing with a puncher's chance of winning. When the schedule was dotted with 3-5 SEC schools, well-regarded fellow Southern independents and quality national brands, USM didn't have to be a 10-11 win team to get people excited about the program. It was enough that Illinois, Nebraska, Texas A&M and others were coming to Hattiesburg and the Golden Eagles had a shot to win because of the talent on the field.
It's almost impossible to positively market a program that has been passed over multiple times by the Big East and now the AAC. These snubs brought into clear focus why USM will never be considered for a P5 conference and will have trouble gaining admittance to a higher level G5 conference. Now, winning will make USM fans feel better about their program, but it still won't translate into a move up unless the P5s gut the AAC and MW. Then the best USM will be able to say is they are reunited with former peers.
IMHO, there are ways out of this hole. Not the least of these is extremely aggressive scheduling. Generate an attractive schedule and you'll put butts in the seats. The program doesn't seem to understand its position and is in denial about where it can legitimately land. That denial is fine if you have a workable plan and the commitment to see it through.
There was a time not too long ago that USM was just as likely as Ole Miss or Mississippi State to sign the most top in-state prospects. Mississippi players' perception of USM was positive then, but I'm not seeing that now. There has to be a strong, consistent, aggressive effort to the point of arrogance to lift USM out of its malaise. The coach they currently have may be an outstanding coach, but I don't think he projects confidence or enthusiasm. IMHO, he is just marking time for the next guy and the next guy needs to be bold, brash and ready to pick a fight.
It's just my two cents. But is really chaps my butt to see the program fall so far that I don't even want to drive the 30 miles to M.M. Roberts to watch them play. It's just too depressing. I'd rather watch Jones vs. Pearl River than USM vs. much of CUSA.
Now, this is funny. We have never been just as likely to sign the most in state quality players. We made a living signing overlooked players from Alabama, Florida, and Louisiana. Mississippi and Mississippi State alays signed the most from the Dandy Dozen from Mississippi.
(12-27-2014 12:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2014 11:33 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2014 08:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]words fail to describe fail.....
this is our leadershite....
wtf did I just watch.....
edit: cox: "lots of things concerning news about southern miss.....maybe the biggest most recently is the logo..." man, I am fkn stoked about that perception...
jfc, these people don't have a clue how to market a product......
just dadgummity dig-dag-dog.....
The podcast notwithstanding, I don't know how anyone could effectively market a product that has deteriorated as severely as the USM brand has. The "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime" mantra has passed to others and is only valid if you are actually playing someone of standing with a puncher's chance of winning. When the schedule was dotted with 3-5 SEC schools, well-regarded fellow Southern independents and quality national brands, USM didn't have to be a 10-11 win team to get people excited about the program. It was enough that Illinois, Nebraska, Texas A&M and others were coming to Hattiesburg and the Golden Eagles had a shot to win because of the talent on the field.
It's almost impossible to positively market a program that has been passed over multiple times by the Big East and now the AAC. These snubs brought into clear focus why USM will never be considered for a P5 conference and will have trouble gaining admittance to a higher level G5 conference. Now, winning will make USM fans feel better about their program, but it still won't translate into a move up unless the P5s gut the AAC and MW. Then the best USM will be able to say is they are reunited with former peers.
IMHO, there are ways out of this hole. Not the least of these is extremely aggressive scheduling. Generate an attractive schedule and you'll put butts in the seats. The program doesn't seem to understand its position and is in denial about where it can legitimately land. That denial is fine if you have a workable plan and the commitment to see it through.
There was a time not too long ago that USM was just as likely as Ole Miss or Mississippi State to sign the most top in-state prospects. Mississippi players' perception of USM was positive then, but I'm not seeing that now. There has to be a strong, consistent, aggressive effort to the point of arrogance to lift USM out of its malaise. The coach they currently have may be an outstanding coach, but I don't think he projects confidence or enthusiasm. IMHO, he is just marking time for the next guy and the next guy needs to be bold, brash and ready to pick a fight.
It's just my two cents. But is really chaps my butt to see the program fall so far that I don't even want to drive the 30 miles to M.M. Roberts to watch them play. It's just too depressing. I'd rather watch Jones vs. Pearl River than USM vs. much of CUSA.
Now, this is funny. We have never been just as likely to sign the most in state quality players. We made a living signing overlooked players from Alabama, Florida, and Louisiana. Mississippi and Mississippi State alays signed the most from the Dandy Dozen from Mississippi.
apologizing to zombie....we don't claim nasty as one of our own...you were screwed by replying to my post.....that poor soul has issues.....
he just preys and pounces with the way he sees fit.....he'll never address the issue in entirety....(ask him how our two dandiest turned out....dat would be d'andre and momma kin from p-town)
zombie, nice response btw....based on the rhetoric I hear, that's about the norm....
it's frustrating....
Every now and then I take tweedly dee off ignore to get a laugh or two. This guy is an idiot. His twin tweedly dum, or EagleX, is right in the breadbasket with him. LOL. Thanks for the laughs.
(12-27-2014 11:33 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ]The "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime" mantra has passed to others and is only valid if you are actually playing someone of standing with a puncher's chance of winning. When the schedule was dotted with 3-5 SEC schools, well-regarded fellow Southern independents and quality national brands, USM didn't have to be a 10-11 win team to get people excited about the program. It was enough that Illinois, Nebraska, Texas A&M and others were coming to Hattiesburg and the Golden Eagles had a shot to win because of the talent on the field.
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IMHO, there are ways out of this hole. Not the least of these is extremely aggressive scheduling. Generate an attractive schedule and you'll put butts in the seats.
It seems you're fondly remembering all those home sellouts in the 1990s that never happened.
We've struggled to get butts in the seats and money in the bank regardless of the schedule. We might pack the place for a home game vs. a brand-name program, but history has proven that those games have no lasting effect on the fan base (probably because we've lost damned near every one of them). Scheduling Alabama and Texas A & M every year isn't going to fix anything.
Quote:But is really chaps my butt to see the program fall so far that I don't even want to drive the 30 miles to M.M. Roberts to watch them play. It's just too depressing. I'd rather watch Jones vs. Pearl River than USM vs. much of CUSA.
And therein lies the problem. Why is your support conditional upon who the opponent is? A Southern Miss fan shows up to watch Southern Miss play. I'm not trying to shame you or lay on a guilt trip. I'm just using your feelings as an example of where we've failed over the years. We simply have not developed the necessary level of loyalty in the people of the region to be a first-tier player in college football. Until we figure out how to do that, everything else is a wild goose chase in search of some magic gimmick to solve our problems.
Ultimately, it comes down to winning often and winning consistently. Quite frankly, people let Southern Miss football down because Southern Miss football has repeatedly let them down. There have been too many losses in too many pivotal games that held the potential to be program-defining moments. For instance, if we merely beat Houston in 1996 and Tulane in 1998, we would've won 4 CUSA Championships in a row and had a steady presence in the Top 25 during the that time. Things are probably a lot different today if that happens. It's also no coincidence that Louisville's initial rise to prominence occurred when they finally figured out how to beat us every year in the head-to-head showdowns for conference superiority.
I suggested this not too long ago:
4 games at MM Roberts (against opponents like Jackson State, LA Tech, Appy State, and USA)
4 games on the road against similar opponents with whom we scheduled home-and-home series.
3 money games at P5 teams
1 game at New Orleans, Mobile, or Jackson against the best opponent we can manage.
Once we get that system rolling AGAIN we're looking at 7-8 victories in a decent year, and probably close to $10,000,000 in real football game day revenue.
We built a niche doing this, arguably for decades. Then we tried something different, and it looked promising but then fell apart. Now we need to readjust and reassert our identity.
At the UAB game, you could really perceive the failure of the newer plan for USM football (the Giannini model, the CUSA model, the non-giant-killer model, the 1996 model...).
Yes, there is an enthusiastic market for college football that exists without at least clinging to the coattails of the P5. But it's too small a market. You can't build a major university with a 36,000 seat stadium and expect to fill the seats / pay the bonds with the UAB pep band and 5 dudes from Eaglepost.net who claim not to have heard of most of your opponents.
So we've got to grab hold of those coattails again. There is a history to build on there.
(12-27-2014 05:01 PM)nastybunch Wrote: [ -> ]Every now and then I take tweedly dee off ignore to get a laugh or two. This guy is an idiot. His twin tweedly dum, or EagleX, is right in the breadbasket with him. LOL. Thanks for the laughs.
b/c we are all on the same side.....
I would never put you or anyone else on ignore.....
that doesn't solve problems.....
....listening, gathering, and moving forward does.....
I'll give anyone a shovel to rest on laurels.....
(12-27-2014 07:19 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested this not too long ago:
4 games at MM Roberts (against opponents like Jackson State, LA Tech, Appy State, and USA)
4 games on the road against similar opponents with whom we scheduled home-and-home series.
3 money games at P5 teams
1 game at New Orleans, Mobile, or Jackson against the best opponent we can manage.
Once we get that system rolling AGAIN we're looking at 7-8 victories in a decent year, and probably close to $10,000,000 in real football game day revenue.
We built a niche doing this, arguably for decades. Then we tried something different, and it looked promising but then fell apart. Now we need to readjust and reassert our identity.
At the UAB game, you could really perceive the failure of the newer plan for USM football (the Giannini model, the CUSA model, the non-giant-killer model, the 1996 model...).
Yes, there is an enthusiastic market for college football that exists without at least clinging to the coattails of the P5. But it's too small a market. You can't build a major university with a 36,000 seat stadium and expect to fill the seats / pay the bonds with the UAB pep band and 5 dudes from Eaglepost.net who claim not to have heard of most of your opponents.
So we've got to grab hold of those coattails again. There is a history to build on there.
one would think that would be the model we want to represent......hell, we lived it for 'x' years....is exactly what I mean when i say we lack in the 'marketing' capacity!
what little branding we once had is (has) quickly slipping away.....
just dag-dibbity-dag-dad-dag.....
(12-27-2014 07:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2014 07:19 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested this not too long ago:
4 games at MM Roberts (against opponents like Jackson State, LA Tech, Appy State, and USA)
4 games on the road against similar opponents with whom we scheduled home-and-home series.
3 money games at P5 teams
1 game at New Orleans, Mobile, or Jackson against the best opponent we can manage.
Once we get that system rolling AGAIN we're looking at 7-8 victories in a decent year, and probably close to $10,000,000 in real football game day revenue.
We built a niche doing this, arguably for decades. Then we tried something different, and it looked promising but then fell apart. Now we need to readjust and reassert our identity.
At the UAB game, you could really perceive the failure of the newer plan for USM football (the Giannini model, the CUSA model, the non-giant-killer model, the 1996 model...).
Yes, there is an enthusiastic market for college football that exists without at least clinging to the coattails of the P5. But it's too small a market. You can't build a major university with a 36,000 seat stadium and expect to fill the seats / pay the bonds with the UAB pep band and 5 dudes from Eaglepost.net who claim not to have heard of most of your opponents.
So we've got to grab hold of those coattails again. There is a history to build on there.
one would think that would be the model we want to represent......hell, we lived it for 'x' years....is exactly what I mean when i say we lack in the 'marketing' capacity!
what little branding we once had is (has) quickly slipping away.....
just dag-dibbity-dag-dad-dag.....
Are you serious clark???
Times have changed a little since 1996. I want to make sure i can process what you 2 are saying is the answer to everything.
Give up all your bowl ties, your tv money and the ability to be on tv weekly. Not to mention where do we park our other sports? The southland? Swapping rice for se la in baseball is really gonna do our program a world of good.
Please guys this kind of thinking is exactly why we are where we are. Everything done is wrong and a bad idea.
What we need is for people to just shut the hell up and support the program. If you cant support it just shut the hell up.
(12-27-2014 08:19 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2014 07:42 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2014 07:19 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested this not too long ago:
4 games at MM Roberts (against opponents like Jackson State, LA Tech, Appy State, and USA)
4 games on the road against similar opponents with whom we scheduled home-and-home series.
3 money games at P5 teams
1 game at New Orleans, Mobile, or Jackson against the best opponent we can manage.
Once we get that system rolling AGAIN we're looking at 7-8 victories in a decent year, and probably close to $10,000,000 in real football game day revenue.
We built a niche doing this, arguably for decades. Then we tried something different, and it looked promising but then fell apart. Now we need to readjust and reassert our identity.
At the UAB game, you could really perceive the failure of the newer plan for USM football (the Giannini model, the CUSA model, the non-giant-killer model, the 1996 model...).
Yes, there is an enthusiastic market for college football that exists without at least clinging to the coattails of the P5. But it's too small a market. You can't build a major university with a 36,000 seat stadium and expect to fill the seats / pay the bonds with the UAB pep band and 5 dudes from Eaglepost.net who claim not to have heard of most of your opponents.
So we've got to grab hold of those coattails again. There is a history to build on there.
one would think that would be the model we want to represent......hell, we lived it for 'x' years....is exactly what I mean when i say we lack in the 'marketing' capacity!
what little branding we once had is (has) quickly slipping away.....
just dag-dibbity-dag-dad-dag.....
Are you serious clark???
Times have changed a little since 1996. I want to make sure i can process what you 2 are saying is the answer to everything.
Give up all your bowl ties, your tv money and the ability to be on tv weekly. Not to mention where do we park our other sports? The southland? Swapping rice for se la in baseball is really gonna do our program a world of good.
Please guys this kind of thinking is exactly why we are where we are. Everything done is wrong and a bad idea.
What we need is for people to just shut the hell up and support the program. If you cant support it just shut the hell up.
I'll just respond with nm regarding anything the aforementioned references anything you thought I (we) was/were saying...
you really came with baseball too????......oh my.....
at a minimum, that sport means zero regarding anything that matters in macro.......more specifically it reiterates the sarcasm implied in the thread title....
but the hell with it.....you're right....why complain and try to point out the obvious failures of the status quo .....status quo is golly gee beav, it's just wowie zowie times....
**** me up my ******* bungholio.....
Andre, another in never never land....