Apparently the Sony hacking was done in response to this movie which is a Seth Rogen, James Fracco comedy about interviewing Kim Jong Un. So the response is to cancel the showings? I don't like it. I wish Sony would have issued a statement to that moron in North Korea, GO F*CK YOURSELF!!!!
The story according to Foxnews
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...-canceled/
(12-17-2014 10:29 AM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently the Sony hacking was done in response to this movie which is a Seth Rogen, James Fracco comedy about interviewing Kim Jong Un. So the response is to cancel the showings? I don't like it. I wish Sony would have issued a statement to that moron in North Korea, GO F*CK YOURSELF!!!!
The story according to Foxnews
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...-canceled/
Now wheres the real story?
(12-17-2014 11:06 AM)coachpipe Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2014 10:29 AM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently the Sony hacking was done in response to this movie which is a Seth Rogen, James Fracco comedy about interviewing Kim Jong Un. So the response is to cancel the showings? I don't like it. I wish Sony would have issued a statement to that moron in North Korea, GO F*CK YOURSELF!!!!
The story according to Foxnews
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...-canceled/
Now wheres the real story?
Yeah I prefer an unbiased source like MSNBC
Sony told the Theater companies to do with the premiere as they wished. As of right now, all five major theater companies have said they will not show the movie. Lost in all of this is the fact that Sony Pictures may have just made its last film...they are going to take a 9-figure hit on this one...NO company can make that up, let alone one that's been hemorrhaging money like they have the last few years.
The hit to Sony on all this is truly huge. There were threats of a "9/11 style" attack near theaters showing it (North Korea might just be crazy enough to try it). That said, I wish the theaters had shown it anyway. I had no desire to see it, but after that threat, I would have bought tickets regardless. Do not like threats like that working.
The Associated Press @AP: BREAKING: Sony Pictures cancels Dec. 25 release of 'The Interview'
This sets a very dangerous precedent, no matter who the attackers are.
On the plus side, we may get to see the future of movie releases as I expect this one to made available immediately on Netflix, Itunes etc.
Per twitter, show "Team America" instead, where Kim Jung il is impaled and shown to be a cockroach who then flies away in his little spaceship.
(12-17-2014 06:16 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]On the plus side, we may get to see the future of movie releases as I expect this one to made available immediately on Netflix, Itunes etc.
Going to be hard to have 9/11 attacks on 240,000,000 households at once when half of them are well-armed enough to repel it
Immediately went from a movie I had zero interest in seeing and other than commercials would probably never see a second of to something I will now definitely watch. Hmmmm. Me thinks Kim is getting a piece of the action. Brilliant.
Sony probably cancelled not because they're good citizens but rather to try and avoid the hackers from releasing more of their dirty laundry.
BTW, anything that keeps a Seth Rogan movie out of the theatre is a good thing in my book. Something about that guy which really rubs me the wrong way.
(12-17-2014 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Sony told the Theater companies to do with the premiere as they wished. As of right now, all five major theater companies have said they will not show the movie. Lost in all of this is the fact that Sony Pictures may have just made its last film...they are going to take a 9-figure hit on this one...NO company can make that up, let alone one that's been hemorrhaging money like they have the last few years.
This was a $44 million movie that would have been lucky to break even at best.
(12-17-2014 09:29 PM)subflea Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2014 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Sony told the Theater companies to do with the premiere as they wished. As of right now, all five major theater companies have said they will not show the movie. Lost in all of this is the fact that Sony Pictures may have just made its last film...they are going to take a 9-figure hit on this one...NO company can make that up, let alone one that's been hemorrhaging money like they have the last few years.
This was a $44 million movie that would have been lucky to break even at best.
Do the budgets that are released, like the $44MM for this one, include promotion costs (and anything else that goes into making movies outside of production), or is it mainly just production costs that are included in those numbers? Have wondered about that. Without knowing what all those budget numbers include, I believe every major production that Seth Rogen and James Franco have been in together has grossed nine figures at the box office. Don't know what this one would have done and what exactly had to be met to make a profit (or what had to be met on their previous movies), but those two together seem to be a winning box office formula based on past films.
Hopefully, this gets released on demand or Netflix early next year. Was looking forward to seeing it.
(12-18-2014 04:06 AM)bearcats5 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2014 09:29 PM)subflea Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2014 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Sony told the Theater companies to do with the premiere as they wished. As of right now, all five major theater companies have said they will not show the movie. Lost in all of this is the fact that Sony Pictures may have just made its last film...they are going to take a 9-figure hit on this one...NO company can make that up, let alone one that's been hemorrhaging money like they have the last few years.
This was a $44 million movie that would have been lucky to break even at best.
Do the budgets that are released, like the $44MM for this one, include promotion costs (and anything else that goes into making movies outside of production), or is it mainly just production costs that are included in those numbers? Have wondered about that. Without knowing what all those budget numbers include, I believe every major production that Seth Rogen and James Franco have been in together has grossed nine figures at the box office. Don't know what this one would have done and what exactly had to be met to make a profit (or what had to be met on their previous movies), but those two together seem to be a winning box office formula based on past films.
Hopefully, this gets released on demand or Netflix early next year. Was looking forward to seeing it.
As a rule, the number that's generally thrown around is strictly the production budget and does not include any post-production costs. There has been a pretty large marketing push, and typically marketing throws another $10-$20M into budgets by the end for "normal" movies (not the movies who seem to work with every restaurant, entertainment company, sports television show, etc. which could see marketing costs in the $60-$75M range easily).
There is absolutely no way, given how Rogen's last 5 movies have done, that they were expecting this movie to "break even at best." His last two movies, and 5 total that he has been a major cast member (not including Kung Fu Panda), have grossed $100M+ in the domestic box office, while the rest of his "stoner comedies" brought in at least $86M, I guarantee that while this may not have hit nine figures, it was still projected around $80M or so considering every Sony movie Rogen has been attached to has grossed more than $87M in the domestic box (The lowest gross was Pineapple Express at $87.34M). Adding all of those costs up together, this is easily a nine-figure loss for the company based on expected income, production value, and marketing.
(12-18-2014 09:31 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]As a rule, the number that's generally thrown around is strictly the production budget and does not include any post-production costs.
Okay, that's what I have assumed, but was never really certain. Thanks.
Here's a Bloomberg article on the effects on Sony:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-18...456e4a8b33
They put the cost of the film at $80MM after including marketing and estimate a nearly $200MM loss when factoring in the damage from the cyber-attack.
(12-18-2014 11:34 AM)bearcats5 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2014 09:31 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]As a rule, the number that's generally thrown around is strictly the production budget and does not include any post-production costs.
Okay, that's what I have assumed, but was never really certain. Thanks.
Here's a Bloomberg article on the effects on Sony: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-18...456e4a8b33
They put the cost of the film at $80MM after including marketing and estimate a nearly $200MM loss when factoring in the damage from the cyber-attack.
So they spent even more on marketing than I thought...man...that's REALLY bad and that's not even factoring in the lost box office revenue. Studios have shuttered losing less than that on a film. They may have to start selling of properties to stay afloat, here's hoping Spiderman goes back to Marvel!
I feel sorry for individual investors and employees whose personal info has become public, but in a way this kind of exposure is long overdue?
The industry is shady and corrupt at best, and has been getting away with bad things for well over 100 years.
(12-18-2014 02:17 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I feel sorry for individual investors and employees whose personal info has become public, but in a way this kind of exposure is long overdue?
The industry is shady and corrupt at best, and has been getting away with bad things for well over 100 years.
If you read some of the higher-up email threads that have been posted on various outlets, the leaders of Sony Pictures seem like 12-year-old whiny brats. With the financial duress the Sony Electronics is under, Sony Pictures may not make it past 2015.