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saw this on the other board and thought it was worthy of discussion/ridicule on this one

Comcast Sports: After Big 12 snub, Notre Dame evaluating its future playoff chances

http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/aft...ocid=yahoo

Ok, if ND goes all in (a huge if), ten they would have great sway with which school (if any) is invited as #16. If ccg autonomy passes, a 16th would be unnecessary since we could go divisionless. However, if a 16th is added, then ND and the rest of the acc will make that decision based on the coming acc network (i.e. who would bring the most new cable subscribers). Assuming that all of the P5 options are unavailable (either GOR or the fact that nobody will ever leave the sec), I'll throw out SMU just for laughs and giggles. They seem to have a lot of resources to raise their program and there are a lot of cable subscribers in Dallas-Fort Worth and the rest of Texas. That's an outside the box idea. They just strike me as having the least warts of all the candidates (location is mitigated by acc network income). So I'll yield the floor to be ripped apart by people telling me why it's a stupid idea.

The Football Domers will join the ACC eventually. But I am not convinced it will be anytime in the next 5 years.

FLossY Out...

(12-09-2014 11:24 AM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]saw this on the other board and thought it was worthy of discussion/ridicule on this one

Comcast Sports: After Big 12 snub, Notre Dame evaluating its future playoff chances

http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/aft...ocid=yahoo

Ok, if ND goes all in (a huge if), ten they would have great sway with which school (if any) is invited as #16. If ccg autonomy passes, a 16th would be unnecessary since we could go divisionless. However, if a 16th is added, then ND and the rest of the acc will make that decision based on the coming acc network (i.e. who would bring the most new cable subscribers). Assuming that all of the P5 options are unavailable (either GOR or the fact that nobody will ever leave the sec), I'll throw out SMU just for laughs and giggles. They seem to have a lot of resources to raise their program and there are a lot of cable subscribers in Dallas-Fort Worth and the rest of Texas. That's an outside the box idea. They just strike me as having the least warts of all the candidates (location is mitigated by acc network income). So I'll yield the floor to be ripped apart by people telling me why it's a stupid idea.

I don't think that Notre Dame is fully joining the ACC in the foreseeable future. If they do join, they'll probably want Navy to join also, which would be a problem since they have only modest strength in football and little or no strength otherwise. However, I don't think there would be a consensus on any other school unless Penn State wanted to join and that seems nearly impossible. SMU would interest just about nobody.

If anything is going to happen, it's likely to be after the next ACC media contract and that's 12 years off. After that the ACC should be in a much stronger state but I still don't know that the ACC will be able to pick off a school from a P5 conference or whether it should try. We don't need to add another BC or Pitt. Schools like that add little to the conference.

The P5 could eliminate the independent status all together and require all conference to hold a CSG!

(12-09-2014 12:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]The P5 could eliminate the independent status all together and require all conference to hold a CSG!

Why would the other P5 conferences want to force Notre Dame to join the ACC? What's in it for them?

(12-09-2014 11:24 AM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]saw this on the other board and thought it was worthy of discussion/ridicule on this one

Comcast Sports: After Big 12 snub, Notre Dame evaluating its future playoff chances

http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/aft...ocid=yahoo

Ok, if ND goes all in (a huge if), ten they would have great sway with which school (if any) is invited as #16. If ccg autonomy passes, a 16th would be unnecessary since we could go divisionless. However, if a 16th is added, then ND and the rest of the acc will make that decision based on the coming acc network (i.e. who would bring the most new cable subscribers). Assuming that all of the P5 options are unavailable (either GOR or the fact that nobody will ever leave the sec), I'll throw out SMU just for laughs and giggles. They seem to have a lot of resources to raise their program and there are a lot of cable subscribers in Dallas-Fort Worth and the rest of Texas. That's an outside the box idea. They just strike me as having the least warts of all the candidates (location is mitigated by acc network income). So I'll yield the floor to be ripped apart by people telling me why it's a stupid idea.

If ND wants to join, the ACC should invite PSU and offer yearly games against Pitt, SU, VT, ND, and Miami.

SMU has problems....

Along the same train of thought though, Houston and Cincinnati would be possibilities

Baylor and TCU might garner a glance as well....although I don't think they'd leave with Texas in the Big XII....so why not ask Texas???

If the ACC got ballsy enough they could add Notre Dame (15), Texas (16), TCU (17), Baylor (18), Navy-football only along with Villanova all sports except football (19), and Cincinnati (20). They could break out into 4 divisions of 5 teams each....That would be a POWER conference

assumption was that no P5s were available. of course, the best case is ND and either PSU or Texas at 16 with no ugly stepsisters invited to the dance.

(12-09-2014 02:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote: [ -> ]SMU has problems....

Along the same train of thought though, Houston and Cincinnati would be possibilities

Baylor and TCU might garner a glance as well....although I don't think they'd leave with Texas in the Big XII....so why not ask Texas???

If the ACC got ballsy enough they could add Notre Dame (15), Texas (16), TCU (17), Baylor (18), Navy-football only along with Villanova all sports except football (19), and Cincinnati (20). They could break out into 4 divisions of 5 teams each....That would be a POWER conference

(12-09-2014 02:13 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]assumption was that no P5s were available. of course, the best case is ND and either PSU or Texas at 16 with no ugly stepsisters invited to the dance.

(12-09-2014 02:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote: [ -> ]SMU has problems....

Along the same train of thought though, Houston and Cincinnati would be possibilities

Baylor and TCU might garner a glance as well....although I don't think they'd leave with Texas in the Big XII....so why not ask Texas???

If the ACC got ballsy enough they could add Notre Dame (15), Texas (16), TCU (17), Baylor (18), Navy-football only along with Villanova all sports except football (19), and Cincinnati (20). They could break out into 4 divisions of 5 teams each....That would be a POWER conference

I think it would be extremely hard to pry Penn State away from the Big 10, especially now that they have some fellow easterners on board....

Texas would be ideal, but I don't think they want to give up their network quite yet

if it HAS to be P5, then West Virginia is the best option

other assumption was GOR prohibits P5 defections to ACC. I know the SEC doesn't have one, but nobody is ever leaving there. so that leaves us to pick from the most desirable G5 team. it's kinda like picking who you're going home with at closing time at a bar - all of the really hot ones are gone.

(12-09-2014 02:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 02:13 PM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]assumption was that no P5s were available. of course, the best case is ND and either PSU or Texas at 16 with no ugly stepsisters invited to the dance.

(12-09-2014 02:11 PM)EvilVodka Wrote: [ -> ]SMU has problems....

Along the same train of thought though, Houston and Cincinnati would be possibilities

Baylor and TCU might garner a glance as well....although I don't think they'd leave with Texas in the Big XII....so why not ask Texas???

If the ACC got ballsy enough they could add Notre Dame (15), Texas (16), TCU (17), Baylor (18), Navy-football only along with Villanova all sports except football (19), and Cincinnati (20). They could break out into 4 divisions of 5 teams each....That would be a POWER conference

I think it would be extremely hard to pry Penn State away from the Big 10, especially now that they have some fellow easterners on board....

Texas would be ideal, but I don't think they want to give up their network quite yet

if it HAS to be P5, then West Virginia is the best option

if the ACC needed a #16, I'd go in this order:

1. Cincinnati - gets into Ohio
2. Navy (football only) + Georgetown (all other sports) - gets into Maryland
3. Memphis - gets into Tennessee
4. Houston, Rice, or SMU - gets into Texas, but boy that's a long commute!

(12-09-2014 01:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ]If ND wants to join, the ACC should invite PSU and offer yearly games against Pitt, SU, VT, ND, and Miami.

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told me two years ago ACC was saving last two spots for UT, Notre Dame.
-- Austin American-Statesman's Kirk Bohls (Sep 2012)

swing for the fences ...
or as frank the tank might say ...
f__k you, pay me ...

SAVE THE LAST DANCE

Why do people think Notre Dame would force the ACC to take Navy? That's just stupid talk.

(12-09-2014 03:15 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 01:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ]If ND wants to join, the ACC should invite PSU and offer yearly games against Pitt, SU, VT, ND, and Miami.

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told me two years ago ACC was saving last two spots for UT, Notre Dame.
-- Austin American-Statesman's Kirk Bohls (Sep 2012)

swing for the fences ...
or as frank the tank might say ...
f__k you, pay me ...

SAVE THE LAST DANCE

A hypothetical poll vote on an ND board:


"If Texas joined the ACC, would you be in favor of ND joining for football?

I haven't tallied up the votes but "No" seems to be winning big.


http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost....920;d=this


ONE MAN, ONE VOTE

ND will never join a conference in football.

(12-09-2014 03:54 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 03:15 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 01:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ]If ND wants to join, the ACC should invite PSU and offer yearly games against Pitt, SU, VT, ND, and Miami.

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told me two years ago ACC was saving last two spots for UT, Notre Dame.
-- Austin American-Statesman's Kirk Bohls (Sep 2012)

swing for the fences ...
or as frank the tank might say ...
f__k you, pay me ...

SAVE THE LAST DANCE

A hypothetical poll vote on an ND board:


"If Texas joined the ACC, would you be in favor of ND joining for football?

I haven't tallied up the votes but "No" seems to be winning big.


http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost....920;d=this


ONE MAN, ONE VOTE

The one wild card is what Texas chooses to do. They're the only other school that could make 16-team superconferences into a reality and *could* force ND to do something against its will. No one else has that power.
-- Frank the Tank

ONE-MAN RULE

(12-09-2014 03:54 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 03:15 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 01:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote: [ -> ]If ND wants to join, the ACC should invite PSU and offer yearly games against Pitt, SU, VT, ND, and Miami.

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told me two years ago ACC was saving last two spots for UT, Notre Dame.
-- Austin American-Statesman's Kirk Bohls (Sep 2012)

swing for the fences ...
or as frank the tank might say ...
f__k you, pay me ...

SAVE THE LAST DANCE

A hypothetical poll vote on an ND board:


"If Texas joined the ACC, would you be in favor of ND joining for football?

I haven't tallied up the votes but "No" seems to be winning big.


http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost....920;d=this


ONE MAN, ONE VOTE

no conference championship for you

The only way I see Texas and ND in the ACC CCG is if they both agreed to 7 games. Texas would play every team in the Atlantic and ND would play everyone in the Coastal. They could flip every other year. That way the ACC can keep the importance of the Divisions so everyone has a shot at the Title. That would take care of the P5 requirement and still keep it in-house. That would be enough for the ACC to offer up the CCG. They both could keep their Networks and arrangements.

Texas and ND could actually double dip. Depending on who they schedule out of conference and how they do, they could fail to make the ACC CCG but still make the Playoff as an Independent. It could screw the ACC but we would be crying all the way to the bank.

(12-09-2014 03:33 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think Notre Dame would force the ACC to take Navy? That's just stupid talk.

No that's not stupid talk. ND could name their partner as the 16th member and get that member the 12 votes needed. The reason they would do that is to continue their loyalty to Navy who saved ND as a institution and have the Navy game continue as a conference game.

MD's exit from the ACC changes the nature of who is blackballed and who has become more attractive because MD is gone. Navy and West Virginia are the beneficiaries of that exit as MD would blackball both.

That's not to say Navy is ideal or preferred.

In fact the ACC does not need a 16th if the conference can become division-less or split into three divisions of five. There are cases for or against any internal league strutuctre and the internal structure would be integral to any addition.

For the record, only a few schools would add to the ACC's bottom line in a VERY significant way (adding $3 or million per year per team (about $50 million annually net or more):

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Tennessee, Alabama, LSU, Texas - this is not a large list. None of them are unhappy where they are.

Only a few schools would cover their additional costs to the league and make some money per team for the ACC (adding about $2 million or more or $30 million annually net):

Penn State, Indiana, Auburn, Florida, Oklahoma, Kansas, Illinois, Northwestern, Vandy, Ole Miss.

The following would pay their way but probably add no net revenue to the league:

West Virginia, Purdue, Miss State, Baylor, TCU, Ok, State, Iowa State, and perhaps Cincy.

The following would represent a sure net loss:

Tulane, Navy, UConn

Now, not every team mentioned above would be the least bit interested, some would never get to a vote, some already have too many blackballs against them.

(12-09-2014 05:26 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2014 03:33 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think Notre Dame would force the ACC to take Navy? That's just stupid talk.

No that's not stupid talk. ND could name their partner as the 16th member and get that member the 12 votes needed. The reason they would do that is to continue their loyalty to Navy who saved ND as a institution and have the Navy game continue as a conference game.

MD's exit from the ACC changes the nature of who is blackballed and who has become more attractive because MD is gone. Navy and West Virginia are the beneficiaries of that exit as MD would blackball both.

That's not to say Navy is ideal or preferred.

In fact the ACC does not need a 16th if the conference can become division-less or split into three divisions of five. There are cases for or against any internal league strutuctre and the internal structure would be integral to any addition.

For the record, only a few schools would add to the ACC's bottom line in a VERY significant way (adding $3 or million per year per team (about $50 million annually net or more):

Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Tennessee, Alabama, LSU, Texas - this is not a large list. None of them are unhappy where they are.

Only a few schools would cover their additional costs to the league and make some money per team for the ACC (adding about $2 million or more or $30 million annually net):

Penn State, Indiana, Auburn, Florida, Oklahoma, Kansas, Illinois, Northwestern, Vandy, Ole Miss.

The following would pay their way but probably add no net revenue to the league:

West Virginia, Purdue, Miss State, Baylor, TCU, Ok, State, Iowa State, and perhaps Cincy.

The following would represent a sure net loss:

Tulane, Navy, UConn

Now, not every team mentioned above would be the least bit interested, some would never get to a vote, some already have too many blackballs against them.

MSU > PSU and Vandy & NW > WVU How do you figure?