http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/us/us-...-year.html
Quote:“Americans haven’t worried much about birthrates in the past, because we have the faucet of immigration to turn on and off,” said Andrew J. Cherlin, a family demographer at Johns Hopkins University.
Yeah, a nation of fitbuds, that's something to look forward too
When you pay 1,400 a month for infant care, it's difficult to have several children.
Give the working class a substancial tax break for child care and those numbers will increase.
(12-08-2014 09:04 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ]When you pay 1,400 a month for infant care, it's difficult to have several children.
Or the mother could take care of her baby. Seems to me that W Civ did pretty well when that was the model.
(12-08-2014 09:11 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 08:57 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm workin' on it.
Good luck with that 
It's probably the only sport where practice is more fun than the game.
(12-08-2014 09:11 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 09:04 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ]When you pay 1,400 a month for infant care, it's difficult to have several children.
Or the mother could take care of her baby. Seems to me that W Civ did pretty well when that was the model.
Sorry man, but both parents need to work in our household. 100k doesn't go a long way in New Jersey ......
(12-08-2014 09:47 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 09:11 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 09:04 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ]When you pay 1,400 a month for infant care, it's difficult to have several children.
Or the mother could take care of her baby. Seems to me that W Civ did pretty well when that was the model.
Sorry man, but both parents need to work in our household. 100k doesn't go a long way in New Jersey ......
No it doesn't, but couldn't you move to Delaware and commute?
(12-08-2014 09:51 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 09:47 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 09:11 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 09:04 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ]When you pay 1,400 a month for infant care, it's difficult to have several children.
Or the mother could take care of her baby. Seems to me that W Civ did pretty well when that was the model.
Sorry man, but both parents need to work in our household. 100k doesn't go a long way in New Jersey ......
No it doesn't, but couldn't you move to Delaware and commute?
I'm in North Jersey ..... 15 miles from NY state.
combined
$7,000 to Social Security
$10,000 to Federal Govt
$4,000 to State
$14,000 for Health
$800 Dental
$500 Vision
$2,000 Union dues
$4,000 pension contributions
$1,800 Medicare tax with held
$30,000 Child infant care (2 kids)
$350 month car payment (one car is paid for)
$$$$ fuel for car, tolls, car maintance
etc etc etc
I havent even listed my mortgage payment, godly high NJ state property tax, electric, water, sewer, cell phone, internet
I harvest my own vegetables from garden and trade with family and neighbors, provide family with healthy red meat by hunting, work forestry for some free fire wood.
Add my 401k contribution
529 education plan
Student loans
It never ends
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just can't support my family with only myself working while providing my children with guidance that they NEED from a father to be successful in the future.
Last thing I want are kid/kids...no thanks
(12-08-2014 10:27 AM)bevotex Wrote: [ -> ]liberal Family Values
Some euro dude complaining that he cant get any really isn't interesting...could only stand a few paragraphs.
(12-08-2014 10:19 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in North Jersey ..... 15 miles from NY state.
combined
$7,000 to Social Security
$10,000 to Federal Govt
$4,000 to State
$14,000 for Health
$800 Dental
$500 Vision
$2,000 Union dues
$4,000 pension contributions
$1,800 Medicare tax with held
$30,000 Child infant care (2 kids)
$350 month car payment (one car is paid for)
$$$$ fuel for car, tolls, car maintance
etc etc etc
I havent even listed my mortgage payment, godly high NJ state property tax, electric, water, sewer, cell phone, internet
I harvest my own vegetables from garden and trade with family and neighbors, provide family with healthy red meat by hunting, work forestry for some free fire wood.
Add my 401k contribution
529 education plan
Student loans
It never ends
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just can't support my family with only myself working while providing my children with guidance that they NEED from a father to be successful in the future.
I have a best friend in Jersey. I have almost twice the house and 3 more acres of land than him, and I pay over $2,000.00 less for my mortgage than he does... It's crazy.
(12-08-2014 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]Last thing I want are kid/kids...no thanks
Nobody should if they aren't ready.
(12-08-2014 12:07 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]Last thing I want are kid/kids...no thanks
Nobody should if they aren't ready.
Agreed...or if they simply don't want any.
(12-08-2014 12:01 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 10:19 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in North Jersey ..... 15 miles from NY state.
combined
$7,000 to Social Security
$10,000 to Federal Govt
$4,000 to State
$14,000 for Health
$800 Dental
$500 Vision
$2,000 Union dues
$4,000 pension contributions
$1,800 Medicare tax with held
$30,000 Child infant care (2 kids)
$350 month car payment (one car is paid for)
$$$$ fuel for car, tolls, car maintance
etc etc etc
I havent even listed my mortgage payment, godly high NJ state property tax, electric, water, sewer, cell phone, internet
I harvest my own vegetables from garden and trade with family and neighbors, provide family with healthy red meat by hunting, work forestry for some free fire wood.
Add my 401k contribution
529 education plan
Student loans
It never ends
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just can't support my family with only myself working while providing my children with guidance that they NEED from a father to be successful in the future.
I have a best friend in Jersey. I have almost twice the house and 3 more acres of land than him, and I pay over $2,000.00 less for my mortgage than he does... It's crazy.
Unfortunately that's reality in North NJ. Only 20 miles from NYC comes with a hefty price tag. Having a liberal controlled state over the course of 30 years doesn't help either. The debt this state ownes is unreal!
Wait, what are those numbers you posted GATA?
(12-08-2014 12:23 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2014 11:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]Last thing I want are kid/kids...no thanks
No one asked you.
Yet here you are, responding...