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http://www.txstatebobcats.com/news/2014/...h=football


> SBC champion is guaranteed a bowl spot in either one of the two SBC contracted games; or as an at-large against the best possible opponent in the best possible bowl game.

> SBC teams cannot enter into an agreement with any bowl without the approval of the SBC Presidents/Chancellors. Failure to adhere to this policy may result in a financial penalty determined by the SBC Presidents/Chancellors.

> SBC teams cannot negotiate with any bowl which includes prohibiting a team from offering any financial incentive to a bowl for preferential treatment. All negotiations between SBC teams and bowls must be managed by the Commissioner. Failure to adhere to this policy may result in a financial penalty determined by the SBC Presidents/Chancellors.
> If there are co-champions; both teams are guaranteed a spot as long as both have a minimum of 7 regular season wins. If one of the co-champions has a 6-6 regular season record and is not selected by one of the SBC contracted bowls, that team will be place in the pool of other at-large SBC teams.

> If there are tri-champions; all three guaranteed a spot as long as all three have 7 regular season wins. If one or more of the tri-champions have a 6-6 regular season record and is not selected by one of the SBC contracted bowls, that team(s) will be placed in the pool of other at-large SBC teams.
> Once SBC champion(s) are placed in a bowl and the two contracted SBC bowl games are filled, the remaining at-large teams will be placed using the following guidelines:

1.A selection committee comprised of those SBC ADs whose teams have already been placed in bowl games – along with those ADs whose team is not bowl eligible -- will conduct a conference call with the Commissioner to review the bowl eligible teams and the bowl spots open and available and assist the Commissioner in the placement of teams using the principle of "right team in the right place." The Committee will seek to balance the best interests of the bowl(s) and the SBC and the involved teams.

2. If there are two bowl eligible teams for two open bowl spots, placement of teams will be done based on geographic location of the two teams relative to the two bowl sites.

3. If there are two bowl eligible teams for one open bowl spot, the following factors will be considered to determine which team receives the final bowl spot. Again, the Committee will balance what is in the best business interest of the bowls and the SBC and what is in the best interest of the two teams.

A. Head to head between the two teams and/or conference standings and regular season record to determine what team is the most deserving.
B. How did a team finish the season – record in last four games.
C. Bowl history of both teams – previous ticket sales and when did the teams last play in a bowl game.
D. Number of wins by each team versus FBS teams; versus FCS teams
E. Quality wins and/or "bad" losses by each team.
F. BCS/RPI rankings of each team, including both team's strength of schedule.


That rule needs to go away. Otherwise a 6-6 team will be able to go over an 8-4 team as long as geography takes priority. In other words the team that is in the state the bowl is held.

Thanks for posting ... . that kinda leaves us geographically screwed moving forward

is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

Conference USA Selection process
http://m.conferenceusa.com/m/sports/m-fo...14-19.html


The Selection Committee
A selection committee will choose the four teams for the playoff based on their performance during the regular season, including, strength of schedule, head-to-head results, championships won, and other factors. The teams will be seeded so that #1 will play #4 in one semifinal and #2 will meet #3 in the other, with the winners advancing to the national championship game.

Makes sense to me.

maybe you guys should create a petition for old Carl to change the rules for you guys.

(12-05-2014 08:45 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]maybe you guys should create a petition for old Carl to change the rules for you guys.

What, and change the rules just for them? No, TxSt knew the rules going into this year and should have petitioned before the year started if they wanted to do anything about it.

(12-05-2014 08:44 AM)TXSTCAT Wrote: [ -> ]Conference USA Selection process
http://m.conferenceusa.com/m/sports/m-fo...14-19.html


The Selection Committee
A selection committee will choose the four teams for the playoff based on their performance during the regular season, including, strength of schedule, head-to-head results, championships won, and other factors. The teams will be seeded so that #1 will play #4 in one semifinal and #2 will meet #3 in the other, with the winners advancing to the national championship game.

Makes sense to me.

Basketball was the No. 1 reason for WKU to move to C-USA. I didn't really see a gap between the two in football at the time of the move. C-USA had a good year in football and the Sun Belt had a few programs struggle, but in any given year I think the two will be comparable on the gridiron. The way each conference handles bowl placement is a strong No. 2 for leaving though. You are basically guaranteeing a UL and USA bowls if they hit 6 wins. The only way to jump them is to be the Champ. stAte has strong inroads to Mobile as well.

I know that C-USA's rules helped us this year (7+ wins over any 6-6) and could hurt us next year (like MTSU finishing ahead of us in the conference standings, but being 6-6). I just like knowing what the goal is each year. There isn't any mystery to it.

I am not trying to start a conference pissing match, but I do think that bowl placement in the Sun Belt needs to be addressed if the conference wants to keep all the schools it has. Otherwise you will see teams get fed up and move when opportunity knocks.

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

Sadly... YES. It is 100% like it.

Our own fans want to blame others for our shortcomings, ignoring the simple fact that if we had performed against USA, this would not be a discussion at all. We were given the opportunity to control our own destiny, and we didn't come through.

I still hold out hope that we will make it to a bowl game, but this rule needs to be changed. TxSt, ArkSt, ULM, NMSU, Idaho and probably even AppSt will always get screwed as long as Troy, USA, Louisiana and Georgia Southern all make it to six wins. That's more than half the conference that will have to win the conference or potentially get left out of a bowl.

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

If GSU doesn't win the conference next year your team will be in the same boat. A bowl eligible App St would be left out this year also.

I understand your frustration but the best remedy for our bowl issues is to add a 5th bowl in the west like the Little Rock Bowl that was discussed.

Oh the IRONY.

(12-05-2014 09:22 AM)TXSTCAT Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

If GSU doesn't win the conference next year your team will be in the same boat. A bowl eligible App St would be left out this year also.

lol. I'd bet $100 if we are bowl eligible, we will go bowling. Our fan base has proven they will travel, and are passionate. We will go bowling next year. We will be one of the closer teams to the Cure bowl next year. umadbro?

(12-05-2014 09:12 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

Sadly... YES. It is 100% like it.

Our own fans want to blame others for our shortcomings, ignoring the simple fact that if we had performed against USA, this would not be a discussion at all. We were given the opportunity to control our own destiny, and we didn't come through.

Rev based on this process the only team with a guarantee is the conference champ. Everyone else is at the mercy of their geographic location. If we are not conference Champion or Co Champion with a 8 win season we still get bumped by a 7 win stAte or 6 win La team based on location.

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

But do you see why I kept telling you to get used to it? This won't be the last time you don't go to a bowl while bowl eligible.... But hey, together we rise right?

(12-05-2014 09:33 AM)TXSTCAT Wrote: [ -> ]Rev based on this process the only team with a guarantee is the conference champ. Everyone else is at the mercy of their geographic location. If we are not conference Champion or Co Champion with a 8 win season we still get bumped by a 7 win stAte or 6 win La team based on location.

So, the solution is not to b!tch and moan about it. The solution is... To win the mother.

I would bet you money that this conversation would NOT be happening had we beaten Illinois, Georgia Southern, or USA. JUST ONE of those games, and there's no thought of this rule.

We need to win more, try to change rules to fit where we think we should be less.

(12-05-2014 09:36 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

But do you see why I kept telling you to get used to it? This won't be the last time you don't go to a bowl while bowl eligible.... But hey, together we rise right?

I know it will happen in the future. I just find it ironic because TXST had some of the most vocal fans when it came to telling us we knew the rules and knew how the processed worked and all that stuff. But now the role is reversed and some of their fans are freaking out just as much as ours.


Irony at its best.

GS whould get picked. Georgia is a lot closer than Texas. And as others said, they traveled well all the way to Texas.

It is funny that GS fans can see how annoying it is to talk in cirlces about something that was known coming into the year.

I knew this would happen cause it happened to WKU. It's like if we joined CUSA, we'd be at the advantage because there are local bowl ties. But would Texas St fans complain when a TXST team would get picked over a more deserving but out of regoin MTSU or WKU? (and yes I know a 6-6 rule applies in CUSA but this could still happen with 7-5 and 8-4 teams). I bet no TXST fans would feel sorry for the other schools and in fact just argue the other side of the coin.

Just like I bet no GS fans would have argued for their rule to be changed if it had happened to another team and not them.

(12-05-2014 09:39 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 09:36 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

But do you see why I kept telling you to get used to it? This won't be the last time you don't go to a bowl while bowl eligible.... But hey, together we rise right?

I know it will happen in the future. I just find it ironic because TXST had some of the most vocal fans when it came to telling us we knew the rules and knew how the processed worked and all that stuff. But now the role is reversed and some of their fans are freaking out just as much as ours.


Irony at its best.

Oh I get it, but maybe be less vocal.. So irony don't come back around to you haha, it sucks man... We have all been there. Cajuns have been there plenty, that's what I've been talking about being on the bottom now. I know it's hard for your fan base to realize/accept after being on the top for so long but we are all at the bottom fighting for the same crumbs.

(12-05-2014 09:44 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 09:39 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 09:36 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2014 08:40 AM)NCeagle Wrote: [ -> ]is this what it was like when GS fans kept posting threads about GS possibly getting a bowl, and complaining about the rules?

But do you see why I kept telling you to get used to it? This won't be the last time you don't go to a bowl while bowl eligible.... But hey, together we rise right?

I know it will happen in the future. I just find it ironic because TXST had some of the most vocal fans when it came to telling us we knew the rules and knew how the processed worked and all that stuff. But now the role is reversed and some of their fans are freaking out just as much as ours.


Irony at its best.

Oh I get it, but maybe be less vocal.. So irony don't come back around to you haha, it sucks man... We have all been there. Cajuns have been there plenty, that's what I've been talking about being on the bottom now. I know it's hard for your fan base to realize/accept after being on the top for so long but we are all at the bottom fighting for the same crumbs.

I understand how it works, and I know one day we will feel left out in a similar scenario. And during the appeal process, I really didn't say too much, other than trying to get other fans to agree that they would be pushing for the same thing were they in our shoes, and there were some fans who said they wouldn't, and just sit back because "those are the rules".

Come on, if GS fans came in predicting we would win the Sun Belt, and we did it, you guys would let us know about our predictions too. lol

I just wanted to make a couple posts to point out the irony, and that's it. I won't be dragging this on for weeks or anything.