12-03-2014, 12:14 PM
12-03-2014, 12:51 PM
They can do that, but it probably won't effect the committee's thinking. Kansas St would still need a lot of help and friends on the committee. They need to move up five spots to get into playoff position. Beating Baylor would put them ahead of the Bears. Mich St is off and a big win could push them ahead of the Spartans. That'll get them up to 7. They could move ahead of the Pac 12 CCG loser so that's 6. Under your scenario, TCU has won and the Pac 12 winner will stay ahead of KSU as well. That means two of Alabama, Ohio St and Florida St would have to lose. The question would be how far would any of those teams fall if they were to lose. Would an 11-2 Alabama or 12-1 Florida St rank below a 10-2 Kansas St? Or if Arizona won the Pac 12, would Oregon drop far enough to give Kansas St a shot? I have no idea.
12-03-2014, 01:03 PM
This question points out another area where the committee isn't doing its job right.
Look at the basketball tournament committee. They don't allow a conference to say, "We won't decide who our conference champion is, you folks on the committee just pick whomever you want." A conference can choose how to designate its champion -- conference tournament, regular season winner, tiebreaker if teams are tied for regular season title, whatever -- but they don't get to tell the tournament committee, "You decide who our conference champ is."
The football committee should have made a rule that any conference that wants one of its teams to get "extra credit" for being a conference champ has to actually choose one team as the conference champ, just like in basketball, where a conference has to designate one team as the conference champ to get an autobid to the NCAA tournament.
Look at the basketball tournament committee. They don't allow a conference to say, "We won't decide who our conference champion is, you folks on the committee just pick whomever you want." A conference can choose how to designate its champion -- conference tournament, regular season winner, tiebreaker if teams are tied for regular season title, whatever -- but they don't get to tell the tournament committee, "You decide who our conference champ is."
The football committee should have made a rule that any conference that wants one of its teams to get "extra credit" for being a conference champ has to actually choose one team as the conference champ, just like in basketball, where a conference has to designate one team as the conference champ to get an autobid to the NCAA tournament.
12-03-2014, 01:23 PM
Seems like they would have too after they said if teams are tied, they would be co-champs. If Baylor beating TCU did not qualify, how could the B12 then say TCU beating K State does? One reason I am rooting for K. State. B12 needs to have a CCG. Next year, outside of the SB, they are the only other conference not to have one. Only reason the AAC didn't this year was they couldn't get Navy until 2015. I would come closer to giving the AAC a pass for the G5 slot with co-champions than the B12. I give the AAC credit, they are planning to go there, the expansion just wan't complete until 2015.
12-03-2014, 02:25 PM
One of the dumbest things I ever heard and hurts the credibility of the whole thing.
12-03-2014, 02:35 PM
(12-03-2014 12:14 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Just was wondering.
If Kansas St beats Baylor on Saturday, is the Big 12 going to submit TCU and Kansas St as Co-Champions?
This is a complete other tangent of IDIOCY in the whole mix of everything this year...
It's like the Big XII is trying to game the system, and have any co-champ available to play in the playoff...
Get 2 teams and a championship game Big XII...
12-03-2014, 02:41 PM
(12-03-2014 01:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]This question points out another area where the committee isn't doing its job right.
Look at the basketball tournament committee. They don't allow a conference to say, "We won't decide who our conference champion is, you folks on the committee just pick whomever you want." A conference can choose how to designate its champion -- conference tournament, regular season winner, tiebreaker if teams are tied for regular season title, whatever -- but they don't get to tell the tournament committee, "You decide who our conference champ is."
The football committee should have made a rule that any conference that wants one of its teams to get "extra credit" for being a conference champ has to actually choose one team as the conference champ, just like in basketball, where a conference has to designate one team as the conference champ to get an autobid to the NCAA tournament.
Exactly
Completely ridiculous
12-03-2014, 02:43 PM
(12-03-2014 12:51 PM)prp Wrote: [ -> ]They can do that, but it probably won't effect the committee's thinking. Kansas St would still need a lot of help and friends on the committee.
I think his point is that currently they are not deciding a champion because it helps them. If k state were to win, now it helps to choose a champion. Will they change course?
12-03-2014, 02:47 PM
Yes. Both will be co-champs according to the Big 12 Commissioner.
Which also means ther is no 1 true champion because head to head doesn't matter despite their slogan.
Which also means ther is no 1 true champion because head to head doesn't matter despite their slogan.
12-03-2014, 02:50 PM
(12-03-2014 02:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ](12-03-2014 12:51 PM)prp Wrote: [ -> ]They can do that, but it probably won't effect the committee's thinking. Kansas St would still need a lot of help and friends on the committee.
I think his point is that currently they are not deciding a champion because it helps them. If k state were to win, now it helps to choose a champion. Will they change course?
heck, If KSU wins and Arizona loses they'll leap to #5 or 6 easily and could be in the discussion also for a Playoff.
However, I still see OSU if they win the B1G championship getting in over TCU.