even if the Current CFB expands to 16 teams, no G5 team will have a shot at the NC...ever. Just like the BCS days.
Right now there are already teams complaining about being left out of the Top 4 (and these are all Money5 conference teams). So why doesn't Aresco get with his TV buddies and propose a 16 team NIT College Playoffs. It will include:
Every FBS conference Winner (if they are not participating in ESPN's...errr, CFB Playoffs). Yes, that includes MAC, SBC, CUSA, MWC, and AAC
If the Conference Champ is in the CFB Playoffs, then take the Runner Up from the conference (unless they are in the CFB Playoffs...but you get the point)
Then choose 6 "wild-card" teams...the Top Ranked Teams from the old computer polls.
Play it off until you have the NIT Champ!
The SEC will get two teams in many years so that means there will be TWO Money5 conference champs left out who feel deserving.
Plus there are years like when Bama didn't even win its conference and won the MNC.
So why not? If you set this format up while the CFB is screwing around with 4 teams you have a shot of getting the G5 teams in, plus lots of M5 teams that feel deserving and you make a ton more money for everyone to boot!
And just because conferences are tied into BCS Bowl games does not mean that the Conference Winner or Runner up will have to participate. They could send Indiana to the Rose Bowl or Wake Forest to the Orange Bowl.
It would be a helluva lot more fun to watch, especially with the David v Goliath matchups.
Screw that! NIT is a joke and the playoffs will expand.
If that ever happens, then why even play football? It would just drain money from the school and our second class citizenship would be cemented.
The Power 5 teams have their fortunes tied to the playoffs, the bowls, and ESPN. There is no way they give that up just so some of their teams could play some G5 teams in a secondary football tournament. Any non-P5 team who wants a shot at winning a national championship already has an option to do so... drop down to FCS.
The better scenario would be to fight to get a smaller "G5/NIT playoff" included as part of the expanded CFP. Expand to the 8-team CFP, but have a Play-In round involving lower/unranked conference champs and at large teams, similar to the NCAA basketball tournament.
For instance:
PLAY-IN ROUND
December 13, 2014
8-Seed Game: Memphis (AAC) at Boise St. (MWC)
7-Seed Game: Northern Illinois (MAC) at Marshall (C-USA)
6-Seed Game: #7 Ohio St. (B1G) at #6 TCU (at large)
5-Seed Game: #8 Michigan St/UCLA/Georgia (at large) at #5 Mississippi St. (at large)
CFP ROUND 1
December 20 and 22, 2014
8-seed winner at #1 Alabama (SEC)
7-seed winner at #2 Oregon (PAC 12)
6-seed winner at #3 Florida St. (ACC)
5-seed winner at #4 Baylor (Big 12)
CFP SEMI-FINALS
January 1, 2015
ROUND 1 winners at:
Sugar Bowl
Rose Bowl
CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
January 12, 2015
SEMI-FINAL winners at:
Arlington, Texas
[NY6 BOWL GAMES: PLAY-IN ROUND and ROUND 1 losers eligible, with at least 1 G5]
Orange: Georgia Tech (ACC) v. Mississippi St. (SEC)
Fiesta: UCLA v. Boise St.
Cotton: TCU v. Ohio St.
Peach: Georgia v. Wisconsin
If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.
(11-24-2014 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.
So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.
(11-24-2014 12:16 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]The better scenario would be to fight to get a smaller "G5/NIT playoff" included as part of the expanded CFP. Expand to the 8-team CFP, but have a Play-In round involving lower/unranked conference champs and at large teams, similar to the NCAA basketball tournament.
For instance:
PLAY-IN ROUND
December 13, 2014
8-Seed Game: Memphis (AAC) at Boise St. (MWC)
7-Seed Game: Northern Illinois (MAC) at Marshall (C-USA)
6-Seed Game: #7 Ohio St. (B1G) at #6 TCU (at large)
5-Seed Game: #8 Michigan St/UCLA/Georgia (at large) at #5 Mississippi St. (at large)
CFP ROUND 1
December 20 and 22, 2014
8-seed winner at #1 Alabama (SEC)
7-seed winner at #2 Oregon (PAC 12)
6-seed winner at #3 Florida St. (ACC)
5-seed winner at #4 Baylor (Big 12)
CFP SEMI-FINALS
January 1, 2015
ROUND 1 winners at:
Sugar Bowl
Rose Bowl
CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
January 12, 2015
SEMI-FINAL winners at:
Arlington, Texas
[NY6 BOWL GAMES: PLAY-IN ROUND and ROUND 1 losers eligible, with at least 1 G5]
Orange: Georgia Tech (ACC) v. Mississippi St. (SEC)
Fiesta: UCLA v. Boise St.
Cotton: TCU v. Ohio St.
Peach: Georgia v. Wisconsin
Not sure if this will ever happen, but I like it.
(11-24-2014 12:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.
So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.
I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
(11-24-2014 12:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.
So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.
I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
(11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.
So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.
I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.
The best thing that could happen to expand the playoffs from the current 4 teams to 8 would be for the SEC to get only 1 team into playoffs. If that happens two years in a roll and couple that with the Big 12 getting in based on a 10 team conference, and we'll see playoff expansion.
(11-24-2014 12:57 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.
So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.
I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.
I don't. It'll expand to 8 because of dissatisfaction voiced by P5s. I mean the G5s have no leverage in this matter. I think they'll just take the top 8 ranked teams.
And no G5 will be ranked by the committee in the top 8. Boise and TCU were ranked in the top 8 by traditional polls and computers, but that won't happen with the committee. You guys seem to miss the fact that no G5 team is even in the top 25 and the committee ranking is now influencing the AP and Coaches polls.
At max there are 4 more seats at the table. I would guess that UCF, BYU, Boise and Houston/Cincinnati have the best shot at those. Everyone else will accept their reality sooner or later. Once that reality is accepted the remaining G5 teams can get on with doing what's best for them, realigning conferences that make geographic sense and negotiating TV contracts and a playoff as a group in order to maximize exposure and money.
(11-24-2014 01:21 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:57 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote: [ -> ]So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.
I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.
I don't. It'll expand to 8 because of dissatisfaction voiced by P5s. I mean the G5s have no leverage in this matter. I think they'll just take the top 8 ranked teams.
Cemented?! Really?! Not like it isn't already cemented. No G5 team wil ever, ever, ever make even an 8 team playoff. The M5 will just take the winner, ND, and the highest ranked CCG runner-ups. It is already cemented in terms of access. And we will get a chance at an Access Bowl...hooray!
I'm saying if they are locked into a 10 year contract, then put together an All-inclusive playoff. Give highest seeds home field advantage for the first two round and they will make more money per team that the Money-losing BCS bowls. The championship would be just as legit with a 11-1 team battling another 11-1 team as it would in the CFB Champ Game. And you have ten years to get traction.
(11-24-2014 01:51 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 01:21 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:57 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ]I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.
I don't. It'll expand to 8 because of dissatisfaction voiced by P5s. I mean the G5s have no leverage in this matter. I think they'll just take the top 8 ranked teams.
Cemented?! Really?! Not like it isn't already cemented. No G5 team wil ever, ever, ever make even an 8 team playoff. The M5 will just take the winner, ND, and the highest ranked CCG runner-ups. It is already cemented in terms of access. And we will get a chance at an Access Bowl...hooray!
I'm saying if they are locked into a 10 year contract, then put together an All-inclusive playoff. Give highest seeds home field advantage for the first two round and they will make more money per team that the Money-losing BCS bowls. The championship would be just as legit with a 11-1 team battling another 11-1 team as it would in the CFB Champ Game. And you have ten years to get traction.
And who is watching this new thing???
Do you really think that if there were some undiscovered body of CFB fans out there to be tapped, they wouldn't already be doing this? Here's the hard truth: even if you could concretely get EVERY "g5" fan to watch...whether their favorite team was in or not...that number is still eclipsed by the fans who will be watching the CFP-CG. And you know what will ACTUALLY happen...fans of G5 teams will NOT watch when their team is not playing and will instead watch the CFP instead, leaving almost NO eyes on your new game.
they gonna go to an 8 team next year, for sure they'll be big time complaints from the 5, 6, 7, 8 team.........And big money lost
(11-24-2014 01:51 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 01:21 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:57 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ]I say 20-30 years. Aren't the 4 team playoff locked up for the next 10 years?
And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.
I don't. It'll expand to 8 because of dissatisfaction voiced by P5s. I mean the G5s have no leverage in this matter. I think they'll just take the top 8 ranked teams.
Cemented?! Really?! Not like it isn't already cemented. No G5 team wil ever, ever, ever make even an 8 team playoff. The M5 will just take the winner, ND, and the highest ranked CCG runner-ups. It is already cemented in terms of access. And we will get a chance at an Access Bowl...hooray!
I'm saying if they are locked into a 10 year contract, then put together an All-inclusive playoff. Give highest seeds home field advantage for the first two round and they will make more money per team that the Money-losing BCS bowls. The championship would be just as legit with a 11-1 team battling another 11-1 team as it would in the CFB Champ Game. And you have ten years to get traction.
I disagree with 8 teams. Either way, if we do what you are proposing then we are all done. No one will watch, we will lose money because all we will be playing is each other, and it would be a laughing stock like the current NIT! Hell, I wouldn't even watch it and my team would be part of it. A conference for lesser teams already exists, it's called FCS.
Sorry to kill your big dream but come on
(11-24-2014 03:03 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 01:51 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 01:21 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:57 PM)tnzazz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: [ -> ]And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.
Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.
I don't. It'll expand to 8 because of dissatisfaction voiced by P5s. I mean the G5s have no leverage in this matter. I think they'll just take the top 8 ranked teams.
Cemented?! Really?! Not like it isn't already cemented. No G5 team wil ever, ever, ever make even an 8 team playoff. The M5 will just take the winner, ND, and the highest ranked CCG runner-ups. It is already cemented in terms of access. And we will get a chance at an Access Bowl...hooray!
I'm saying if they are locked into a 10 year contract, then put together an All-inclusive playoff. Give highest seeds home field advantage for the first two round and they will make more money per team that the Money-losing BCS bowls. The championship would be just as legit with a 11-1 team battling another 11-1 team as it would in the CFB Champ Game. And you have ten years to get traction.
And who is watching this new thing???
Do you really think that if there were some undiscovered body of CFB fans out there to be tapped, they wouldn't already be doing this? Here's the hard truth: even if you could concretely get EVERY "g5" fan to watch...whether their favorite team was in or not...that number is still eclipsed by the fans who will be watching the CFP-CG. And you know what will ACTUALLY happen...fans of G5 teams will NOT watch when their team is not playing and will instead watch the CFP instead, leaving almost NO eyes on your new game.
Haha.....exactly!
This is where I think people are wrong. They can keep us out of a 8 team playoff but not a 16. UCF was ranked in the top 15 before going to the Fiesta. Boise St, TCU, Utah, NIU and others have all gone to BCS type games when ranked inside the top 15.
I think a clause stating that a conference champ ranked in the top 16 automatically gets an invite is the best way to go. Who knows, there might be a year when the MWC and AAC both have a team in the top 15.