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4-star QB @ChasonVirgil5 parting ways w/ #HailState. Back on the market after #Bulldogs reduced offer to grayshirt. 2,361 pass yds, 35 TDs.
8:26 PM - 20 Nov 2014
He graduates at semester. Have no idea on grades.
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Chason Virgil
Pro-Style Quarterback
Mesquite, TX (West Mesquite)
Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 170 | 40: 4.58
(11-21-2014 01:19 AM)Converted Rice Wrote: [ -> ]4-star QB @ChasonVirgil5 parting ways w/ #HailState. Back on the market after #Bulldogs reduced offer to grayshirt. 2,361 pass yds, 35 TDs.
The
Clarion-Ledger (Jackson, Miss. newspaper) says: "He also owns offers from Clemson, Auburn and Arizona State."
This
Scout story says "when he committed (to Mississippi State) in May, Virgil had compiled more than a dozen offers, including Arizona State, Boise State, Clemson, Florida, Ole Miss, Missouri, Nebraska, Texas, and UCLA."
Dallas Morning News' Matt Wixon said "now a lot of those schools are filled up with quarterback commitments" and quoted Mesquite H.S. coach Jeff Neill's tweet that said: "Classless move by (MSU) "coach" Dan Mullen."
Not sure where he would fit in here, unless we feel like DJ and Germane are not up to the task. If DJ can play more consistently next year (I think his shoulder injury is affecting him right now) I have no problem not even considering this guy.
Probably not a need but I think you always look for good QB's. Crappy move by MSU. Kind of like what happened with Brice Petty and Tenn.
I imagine you grab a 4-star athlete when you can.
DJ's shoulder has affected him his entire Rice career, so no reason to think the issue will suddenly disappear.
(11-21-2014 11:16 AM)Converted Rice Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not a need but I think you always look for good QB's. Crappy move by MSU. Kind of like what happened with Brice Petty and Tenn.
You ALWAYS look for good QBs
(11-21-2014 09:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure where he would fit in here, unless we feel like DJ and Germane are not up to the task. If DJ can play more consistently next year (I think his shoulder injury is affecting him right now) I have no problem not even considering this guy.
DJ isn't a factor in this. He'll be a senior when this guy would be redshirting.
We already have a QB we're very high on in this class, and good depth in the system, so I doubt we'd pursue anyone else-- but who knows.
DJ has played consistently (15 TD passes, only 4 int's, can't think of any lost fumbles), and has managed the games well, my only complaint is we need bigger games from him. I expected 300 yard passing games and 100 yard rushing games from him. I think eventually we'll get some of those, and a reason we haven't is because of injuries to himself and some of our WRs. Maybe we get a career night tonight vs UTEP, but he's been as solid as we could've hoped for this season. We don't win 6 straight without a decent QB, and he's done an excellent job as a team leader. But he has potential for more.
As to a 4-star recruit, of course we'll consider him, but I prefer dual-threats for the Rice offense. Our O-line has been solid but we've seen how DJ has to run for his life against decent D-lines that bring the pressure, like Marshall's, and I'm just not convinced that a pro style QB will have enough time. I haven't seen the kid's tape, but he needs to be somewhat mobile for him to be a good fit.
Does he have any offers other than from ESU's?
(11-21-2014 04:51 PM)Buho00 Wrote: [ -> ]DJ has played consistently (15 TD passes, only 4 int's, can't think of any lost fumbles), and has managed the games well, my only complaint is we need bigger games from him. I expected 300 yard passing games and 100 yard rushing games from him. I think eventually we'll get some of those, and a reason we haven't is because of injuries to himself and some of our WRs. Maybe we get a career night tonight vs UTEP, but he's been as solid as we could've hoped for this season. We don't win 6 straight without a decent QB, and he's done an excellent job as a team leader. But he has potential for more.
As to a 4-star recruit, of course we'll consider him, but I prefer dual-threats for the Rice offense. Our O-line has been solid but we've seen how DJ has to run for his life against decent D-lines that bring the pressure, like Marshall's, and I'm just not convinced that a pro style QB will have enough time. I haven't seen the kid's tape, but he needs to be somewhat mobile for him to be a good fit.
So we shouldn't have taken Luck if he had wanted to come here?
Sorry, couldn't resist. I tend to agree with the opinion, but you have to take the best players at their positions and then figure out how to modify the schemes to take advantage of their skills and minimize their weaknesses. There are 90+ teams out there right now looking for 'the best' dual threat QB.
As to Driphus, I agree 100% that he has been a pleasant surprise in his game management. Flashes of the exceptional with very few 'oops-es'. Health and experience can only help even more.
This late in the game, that guy is going to have trouble finding a good home. As good as some other prospect might be, one QB isn't enough anyway... and best I can tell he would be our biggest 'get' in quite some time. If he has the grades and they didn't sour on him for a reason, we should look.
I compare it to taking a guy like Taylor Cook or Nick Fanuzzi... but I actually view it as better.
(11-21-2014 05:09 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2014 04:51 PM)Buho00 Wrote: [ -> ]DJ has played consistently (15 TD passes, only 4 int's, can't think of any lost fumbles), and has managed the games well, my only complaint is we need bigger games from him. I expected 300 yard passing games and 100 yard rushing games from him. I think eventually we'll get some of those, and a reason we haven't is because of injuries to himself and some of our WRs. Maybe we get a career night tonight vs UTEP, but he's been as solid as we could've hoped for this season. We don't win 6 straight without a decent QB, and he's done an excellent job as a team leader. But he has potential for more.
As to a 4-star recruit, of course we'll consider him, but I prefer dual-threats for the Rice offense. Our O-line has been solid but we've seen how DJ has to run for his life against decent D-lines that bring the pressure, like Marshall's, and I'm just not convinced that a pro style QB will have enough time. I haven't seen the kid's tape, but he needs to be somewhat mobile for him to be a good fit.
So we shouldn't have taken Luck if he had wanted to come here?
Sorry, couldn't resist. I tend to agree with the opinion, but you have to take the best players at their positions and then figure out how to modify the schemes to take advantage of their skills and minimize their weaknesses. There are 90+ teams out there right now looking for 'the best' dual threat QB.
As to Driphus, I agree 100% that he has been a pleasant surprise in his game management. Flashes of the exceptional with very few 'oops-es'. Health and experience can only help even more.
This late in the game, that guy is going to have trouble finding a good home. As good as some other prospect might be, one QB isn't enough anyway... and best I can tell he would be our biggest 'get' in quite some time. If he has the grades and they didn't sour on him for a reason, we should look.
I compare it to taking a guy like Taylor Cook or Nick Fanuzzi... but I actually view it as better.
Good point. It's just a preference of mine - I want both dimensions. But i consider Luck to be very mobile. Maybe not a real dual threat, but athletic and mobile, as was Cook. They could run some read options and can escape pocket. I'd take a Luck but a Matt Schaub, for example, would be a wasted talent at Rice under my theory.
(11-21-2014 04:51 PM)Buho00 Wrote: [ -> ]As to a 4-star recruit, of course we'll consider him, but I prefer dual-threats for the Rice offense. Our O-line has been solid but we've seen how DJ has to run for his life against decent D-lines that bring the pressure, like Marshall's, and I'm just not convinced that a pro style QB will have enough time. I haven't seen the kid's tape, but he needs to be somewhat mobile for him to be a good fit.
Chase Clement was listed as a "Pro-style" QB, not a dual-threat. I watched a bit of Virgil's video, and I'd say he moves fairly well.
But I think At Ease nailed it.
(11-21-2014 01:00 PM)At Ease Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2014 09:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure where he would fit in here, unless we feel like DJ and Germane are not up to the task. If DJ can play more consistently next year (I think his shoulder injury is affecting him right now) I have no problem not even considering this guy.
DJ isn't a factor in this. He'll be a senior when this guy would be redshirting.
We already have a QB we're very high on in this class, and good depth in the system, so I doubt we'd pursue anyone else-- but who knows.
You take talent anytime you can get it. The QB committed to us is nowhere good as this kid. Seen the kid play and the competition is awful. I also think his speed will not help in our system. However his dad and Bailiff are great friends so no way Bailiff pulls or takes another kid.
Read somewhere where it said if DJ or German were up to the challenge. I would say German and Stehling however we will never know since our coaching staff don't believe in getting young guys playing time. Awful to see that we are winning by 20 plus points late in the fourth quarter and these guys and other young players don't get in. Not sure what Edmondson is thinking. I'm surprised we don't have more kids transferring given that we don't manage those situations very well. Bailiff is known for his loyalty to upperclassman. Disappointing to say the least.
Rice has won two games by 20 points, and that's the largest victory margin of the year. There's been very little garbage time.
(11-22-2014 08:34 AM)KTOWL Wrote: [ -> ]However his dad and Bailiff are great friends so no way Bailiff pulls or takes another kid.
I don't think Bailiff would pull the offer even if he and the Dad were great enemies.
I think if he has room, he should take a shot at getting this kid. You can never have too many talented QBs on campus. Let them sort themselves out in practice. But I am not sure if we have room left. We are still in the running to reclaim Donnelly.
Before we assume that Bailiff is evil or stupid or whatever,
a) what are this kid's grades and SAT score,
b) does he even want to play for a small G5? All of his offers listed in this thread ate from ESU's.
(11-22-2014 08:57 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Rice has won two games by 20 points, and that's the largest victory margin of the year. There's been very little garbage time.
we have also been blown out so yes there has been plenty of time to get them in...go back and look at Miss St game. It was over by half time. Taylor was playing hurt and not very effective. DJ was put in then took himself out cause he was hurt. We were down 34 plus points. What did our coaches do, went back to Taylor who was ineffective playing hurt. On the sidelines were Stehling and Billups...That's just one example.
The reality is that we do a poor job of preparing kids. DJ threw only 19 passes last year and there were plenty of opportunities then for him to have played. We blamed it on Reagan then, I guess Edmondson could be the fall guy but the common denominator is Bailiff.
(11-22-2014 02:40 PM)KTOWL Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2014 08:57 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Rice has won two games by 20 points, and that's the largest victory margin of the year. There's been very little garbage time.
we have also been blown out so yes there has been plenty of time to get them in...go back and look at Miss St game. It was over by half time. Taylor was playing hurt and not very effective. DJ was put in then took himself out cause he was hurt. We were down 34 plus points. What did our coaches do, went back to Taylor who was ineffective playing hurt. On the sidelines were Stehling and Billups...That's just one example.
The reality is that we do a poor job of preparing kids. DJ threw only 19 passes last year and there were plenty of opportunities then for him to have played. We blamed it on Reagan then, I guess Edmondson could be the fall guy but the common denominator is Bailiff.
This is one of my chief criticisms of Bailiff. For all the talk about non-conference games as "preseason," we don't play them like preseason games. My approach would be we're going to do everything we can to win, but we're going to do it with 50-60 people playing meaningful minutes. If you're down 30+ in the fourth quarter, there's no excuse for having a starter on the field.
Play lots of people and play them often. You'll take some lumps for it, at least early, but you will vastly accelerate the development of every player on the team.
Or maybe Bailiff doesn't treat nonconference games like preseason games.
(11-22-2014 02:48 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe Bailiff doesn't treat nonconference games like preseason games.
That's his term, not mine.