(11-06-2014 12:31 AM)The4thOption Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 12:23 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 12:08 AM)The4thOption Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2014 11:57 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2014 11:50 PM)The4thOption Wrote: [ -> ]I'd sign one after the season to.
That's the problem - there has been rarely a situation where it has mattered, and if it did, those teams were on the fringe. Which we may end up on. But if it keeps any 10-2 team out of at least consideration, then it is just a shame.
So you agree the rule is bad. I just don't see any reason to wait to do the right thing. But if they change it at season's end, at least the bad rule will be gone. But the time to get the ball rolling is now.
Fringe or not, it's either right or wrong, you keep bringing up 10-2 like it matters. You either eligible or you aren't. If you don't see the hypocrisy in the fact that nobody from Georgia Southern brought this up before the season, I'm sorry. Your president should have told your coach to tank the season so you wouldn't get your feelings hurt. It would have been easier on everyone.
10-2 matters as a point of merit on what the team has earned on the field. Not the actual bowl spot - but the right to be considered.
There is nothing about it that resembles hypocrisy. Maybe you don't know what that word means? We did nothing that promoted the rule. It was dumb then, it is dumb now - we've done nothing to say otherwise.
The fans that knew said it was a BS rule then. The bitter taste of that was pacified with the idea of being able to play in and maybe even host a CCG.
Nobody at Southern EVER thought that was a good rule, but we weren't given a line item veto.
Because your president signed off on it and now that you are doing better than even you arrogant arses think it's some kind of bogus rule. I'm sure whoever ends up 5th in the playoff rankings will think it's bogus. You might have never thought it was a good rule but you were ok with it because you didn't think it would affect you. You aren't 10-2 yet by the way, you aren't the champ or co champ yet by the way. You still have a chance to be considered for a bowl if the contracts aren't all filled. If you want anything more than that you are basically trying to take a spot from another sunbelt member and looking for those same people to help you do it, c'mon man.
I think I've said as much over and over - . Yet you still call us arrogant. We are confident. It isn't arrogant to try and change the rule and to do so while IF it happened would help us. Heck - like we both have said.. we aren't there yet. You call us arrogant now? Dang.. imagine if we had started this petition as soon as we got the invite! Talk about being called arrogant. But wait until we are this close to 10-2, this close to maybe winning the conference and we sooooo arrogant and should've started the petition sooner.
No, I think you should quit crying and serve your year of transition and if the bowl slots come up short and you get in so be it, great. It's funny how the rule didn't come up until now. I think petitions are pointless. If you get left out this year, hope your guys use it as motivation for next year. Quit acting like someone stole your damn sippie cup. Your screen name is quite fitting given the conversation.
(11-06-2014 12:34 AM)asuwon Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 12:16 AM)The4thOption Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 12:09 AM)asuwon Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 12:08 AM)The4thOption Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody at Southern EVER thought that was a good rule, but we weren't given a line item veto.
You could have remained FCS.
That's as dumb as you are pretending to be.
No matter how you want to spin it, the facts are...
The Sun Belt and FBS football did Ga. Southern a favor by allowing them to move up. Neither owed Ga. Southern a favor.
As a condition of the favor being extended, there were certain stipulations in place, with which Ga. Southern willingly agreed to abide.
Now, Ga. Southern wants to **** on the favor and the agreed upon stipulation.
Tell me where I'm wrong in my assessment.
Ok, I'll be glad to show you where your assessment is wrong.
Georgia Southern and App State coming to the conference is mutually beneficial. You guys had so many good options out there that you just cant decide who to take next right? FACT is that we needed each other. (ADDED: Sure the Belt could have sit at 9. Tittering on the edge of not having enough teams to sustain itself, having little stability in the East and perhaps being forced to consider Liberty and other programs that you don't even want now).
The rule is NOT a conference rule, and wasn't an agreed upon stipulation between the Sun Belt and any school - but nice try.
In fact, the agreed upon stipulations actually DID include the opportunity for post season in our first year if we won enough conference games. So there is that..
Also - it doesn't hurt the conference if we were to get a bowl. If we were to go in front of a 6-6 team that we beat to an existing bowl tie in - I'd argue that THAT would be better for the conference since we would be more likely to win the bowl game in that situation. Especially if we wind up winning the conference. To have a Conference champion not go to a bowl imop.. is bad for the conference over all. So.. how is that #@!%% on the conference?
If it's not a conference rule how in the #%^* can that look bad on the conference?
(11-06-2014 12:49 AM)The4thOption Wrote: [ -> ]Georgia Southern and App State coming to the conference is mutually beneficial. You guys had so many good options out there that you just cant decide who to take next right? FACT is that we needed each other.
The Sun Belt did not need either Ga. Southern, or App St. to survive.
That's make believe, fantasyland talk.
I'm happy to have both, but the only favor being extended was the Sun Belt and FBS membership offer.
Unfortunately for Ga. Southern, that favor came with stipulations...
Which the Ga. Southern administration agreed to follow.
Holy hell... You guys (mostly ULaLa and Arky State) really don't like anyone aside from you having any semblance of success, do ya? Sucks for you.
I'm as true blue as they come, but I have no plans to sign the petition. The rules are what the are, no matter how stupid they are. I have no delusions about changing the asinine ways of the NCAA. But to criticize those who are spurring on the effort is petty and reeks of either fear or jealousy.
I get the feeling that some of you have gotten real comfortable with your team's role of being the badass on the block and are sweating a bit now that someone else has shown up and isn't wasting any time with cracking skulls left and right. I just wonder what the complaints will be if GS has the same success next season. Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but GS would probably forfeit bowl money just to challenge a conference rival to settle things on the field. (GS wouldn't... We need money. But still, the malice is there)
Is that line of thinking flawed and self-destructive? Probably. But that's the killer instinct that has driven GS through a lack of funding and all kinds of obstacles to get where we are. We're glad to be in the Sun Belt. It's a huge step up from where we were just months ago. But we don't owe anyone anything, nor does any other school in the conference. Georgia Southern is here on its own merit, and it has spent the last three months showing just how worthy that merit is. If you want to ***** about strength of schedule or GS fans trying to overreach the team's bounds by campaigning for bowl games/recognition, it only comes off as pettiness.
Get on Georgia Southern's level.... If the scores say anything about programs in general - and they often do - GS was ahead of many Sun Belt schools before the Eagles played their first game. Maybe it's the lot of other Sun Belt schools that should be taking action to keep from looking foolish. We're here and we're winning. Trying to stand in our way is stupid and can only serve to hold back the conference that all of us are trying to build a name for.
(11-06-2014 01:20 AM)CC Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]Holy hell... You guys (mostly ULaLa and Arky State) really don't like anyone aside from you having any semblance of success, do ya? Sucks for you.
I'm as true blue as they come, but I have no plans to sign the petition. The rules are what the are, no matter how stupid they are. I have no delusions about changing the asinine ways of the NCAA. But to criticize those who are spurring on the effort is petty and reeks of either fear or jealousy.
I get the feeling that some of you have gotten real comfortable with your team's role of being the badass on the block and are sweating a bit now that someone else has shown up and isn't wasting any time with cracking skulls left and right. I just wonder what the complaints will be if GS has the same success next season. Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but GS would probably forfeit bowl money just to challenge a conference rival to settle things on the field. (GS wouldn't... We need money. But still, the malice is there)
Is that line of thinking flawed and self-destructive? Probably. But that's the killer instinct that has driven GS through a lack of funding and all kinds of obstacles to get where we are. We're glad to be in the Sun Belt. It's a huge step up from where we were just months ago. But we don't owe anyone anything, nor does any other school in the conference. Georgia Southern is here on its own merit, and it has spent the last three months showing just how worthy that merit is. If you want to ***** about strength of schedule or GS fans trying to overreach the team's bounds by campaigning for bowl games/recognition, it only comes off as pettiness.
Get on Georgia Southern's level.... If the scores say anything about programs in general - and they often do - GS was ahead of many Sun Belt schools before the Eagles played their first game. Maybe it's the lot of other Sun Belt schools that should be taking action to keep from looking foolish. We're here and we're winning. Trying to stand in our way is stupid and can only serve to hold back the conference that all of us are trying to build a name for.
Why? Because of your reputation as an FCS power you are entitled to a waiver on the rule? No, you moved up to the FBS in the Sun Belt knowing full well you had to live by the NCAA stipulation of a transition program. Shut the f$%^k up! Play the season out and let the process work itself out. No, you are not a special case and you should have to live by the same rules every other transition program as under the NCAA.
(11-06-2014 01:20 AM)CC Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]Holy hell... You guys (mostly ULaLa and Arky State) really don't like anyone aside from you having any semblance of success, do ya? Sucks for you.
I'm as true blue as they come, but I have no plans to sign the petition. The rules are what the are, no matter how stupid they are. I have no delusions about changing the asinine ways of the NCAA. But to criticize those who are spurring on the effort is petty and reeks of either fear or jealousy.
I get the feeling that some of you have gotten real comfortable with your team's role of being the badass on the block and are sweating a bit now that someone else has shown up and isn't wasting any time with cracking skulls left and right. I just wonder what the complaints will be if GS has the same success next season. Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but GS would probably forfeit bowl money just to challenge a conference rival to settle things on the field. (GS wouldn't... We need money. But still, the malice is there)
Is that line of thinking flawed and self-destructive? Probably. But that's the killer instinct that has driven GS through a lack of funding and all kinds of obstacles to get where we are. We're glad to be in the Sun Belt. It's a huge step up from where we were just months ago. But we don't owe anyone anything, nor does any other school in the conference. Georgia Southern is here on its own merit, and it has spent the last three months showing just how worthy that merit is. If you want to ***** about strength of schedule or GS fans trying to overreach the team's bounds by campaigning for bowl games/recognition, it only comes off as pettiness.
Get on Georgia Southern's level.... If the scores say anything about programs in general - and they often do - GS was ahead of many Sun Belt schools before the Eagles played their first game. Maybe it's the lot of other Sun Belt schools that should be taking action to keep from looking foolish. We're here and we're winning. Trying to stand in our way is stupid and can only serve to hold back the conference that all of us are trying to build a name for.
Wow...I don't think anyone has said we don't want you in a bowl. We have always rooted for conf. teams to go. Most of us won't help you go around the rules or change them. I bet the SoCon said we are glad those crazy fans are gone....LOL...y'all are hoot...junior.
The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
(11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
Jealousy...yeah keep telling yourself that junior. LOL. What I am curious about is what would are we be jealous about. Please leave the we won 126 junior grade championships. You should know by now no one cares about that. LOL...y'all are a hoot. Still hope you get a bowl though.
(11-06-2014 07:55 AM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
Jealousy...yeah keep telling yourself that junior. LOL. What I am curious about is what would are we be jealous about. Please leave the we won 126 junior grade championships. You should know by now no one cares about that. LOL...y'all are a hoot. Still hope you get a bowl though.
Jealousy of not falling flat on our face like a lot of the nay-sayers guaranteed we would in our transition.
Nothing to do with 2013 or earlier.
(11-06-2014 05:29 AM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ]I bet the SoCon said we are glad those crazy fans are gone....LOL...y'all are hoot...junior.
You're right.
Mainly because they enjoyed their wine and cheese tasting parties which happened to occur on the lawn next to some barbaric sporting event that broke out where some low class individuals dressed in blue got really excited and made all sorts of commotion. Many pinky fingers were raised in celebration.
(11-06-2014 01:20 AM)CC Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]Holy hell... You guys (mostly ULaLa and Arky State) really don't like anyone aside from you having any semblance of success, do ya? Sucks for you.
I'm as true blue as they come, but I have no plans to sign the petition. The rules are what the are, no matter how stupid they are. I have no delusions about changing the asinine ways of the NCAA. But to criticize those who are spurring on the effort is petty and reeks of either fear or jealousy.
I get the feeling that some of you have gotten real comfortable with your team's role of being the badass on the block and are sweating a bit now that someone else has shown up and isn't wasting any time with cracking skulls left and right. I just wonder what the complaints will be if GS has the same success next season. Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but GS would probably forfeit bowl money just to challenge a conference rival to settle things on the field. (GS wouldn't... We need money. But still, the malice is there)
Is that line of thinking flawed and self-destructive? Probably. But that's the killer instinct that has driven GS through a lack of funding and all kinds of obstacles to get where we are. We're glad to be in the Sun Belt. It's a huge step up from where we were just months ago. But we don't owe anyone anything, nor does any other school in the conference. Georgia Southern is here on its own merit, and it has spent the last three months showing just how worthy that merit is. If you want to ***** about strength of schedule or GS fans trying to overreach the team's bounds by campaigning for bowl games/recognition, it only comes off as pettiness.
Get on Georgia Southern's level.... If the scores say anything about programs in general - and they often do - GS was ahead of many Sun Belt schools before the Eagles played their first game. Maybe it's the lot of other Sun Belt schools that should be taking action to keep from looking foolish. We're here and we're winning. Trying to stand in our way is stupid and can only serve to hold back the conference that all of us are trying to build a name for.
Then don't keep asking people to sign a stupid petition, everyone who said no and explained why, the. Guess what, GS keep on with the why not...why won't you sign our petition. How delusional must you guys be? Quote me and several others on this for millionth time, I WANT YOU TO GET A BOWL GAME!!! For those of us that have been winning but fighting perception from everyone, you think we would have rather added 2 more Georgia states? (. No offense gsu guys but it's true) nobody is scared of you, or at least we aren't. It's football, you aren't the Russians or China dude. Serve your year of transition and get over it. A year of transition where you still might get a bowl by the way. If you would be allowed a waiver it would be at the cost of another sunbelt school, most likely USA or TxST, both of which just recently went through stiffer transition rules than you, at least you are eligible to win a championship. Sound like a bunch of entitled pricks.
(11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
That is the current situation you are in, why do you need a waiver? Don't give me the to be considered crap, because the only way you will be considered for another bowl is if all the slots aren't filled...same as every sunbelt team.
(11-06-2014 08:04 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 07:55 AM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
Jealousy...yeah keep telling yourself that junior. LOL. What I am curious about is what would are we be jealous about. Please leave the we won 126 junior grade championships. You should know by now no one cares about that. LOL...y'all are a hoot. Still hope you get a bowl though.
Jealousy of not falling flat on our face like a lot of the nay-sayers guaranteed we would in our transition.
Nothing to do with 2013 or earlier.
Way to generalize the human race into georgia southern fans and every other human a naysayer, maybe you should speak more specifically and less generally and get less backlash.
(11-06-2014 08:20 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 08:04 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 07:55 AM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
Jealousy...yeah keep telling yourself that junior. LOL. What I am curious about is what would are we be jealous about. Please leave the we won 126 junior grade championships. You should know by now no one cares about that. LOL...y'all are a hoot. Still hope you get a bowl though.
Jealousy of not falling flat on our face like a lot of the nay-sayers guaranteed we would in our transition.
Nothing to do with 2013 or earlier.
Way to generalize the human race into georgia southern fans and every other human a naysayer, maybe you should speak more specifically and less generally and get less backlash.
The entirety of the human race...yes.
Well, let me be perfectly clear then...
Hail Southern. ::deuces::
(11-06-2014 08:40 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 08:20 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 08:04 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 07:55 AM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
Jealousy...yeah keep telling yourself that junior. LOL. What I am curious about is what would are we be jealous about. Please leave the we won 126 junior grade championships. You should know by now no one cares about that. LOL...y'all are a hoot. Still hope you get a bowl though.
Jealousy of not falling flat on our face like a lot of the nay-sayers guaranteed we would in our transition.
Nothing to do with 2013 or earlier.
Way to generalize the human race into georgia southern fans and every other human a naysayer, maybe you should speak more specifically and less generally and get less backlash.
The entirety of the human race...yes.
Well, let me be perfectly clear then...
Hail Southern. ::deuces::
The only 2 that would be jealous at all are App st and Georgia state because of the rivalry. Trust me, everyone is glad you don't suck ass and add to the bottom 10, hard to believe but this whole conference thing isn't all about you. You aren't the big puppy anymore, you the little puppy fighting for scraps like the rest of us. The NCAA does not care about you or any of us, we are disposable to them. We out peanuts in their pocket instead of gold bricks. I'm sure when y'all were in a FCS and pitched a temper tantrum everybody listened...not here my friend.
(11-06-2014 08:48 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 08:40 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 08:20 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 08:04 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2014 07:55 AM)OsageJ Wrote: [ -> ]Jealousy...yeah keep telling yourself that junior. LOL. What I am curious about is what would are we be jealous about. Please leave the we won 126 junior grade championships. You should know by now no one cares about that. LOL...y'all are a hoot. Still hope you get a bowl though.
Jealousy of not falling flat on our face like a lot of the nay-sayers guaranteed we would in our transition.
Nothing to do with 2013 or earlier.
Way to generalize the human race into georgia southern fans and every other human a naysayer, maybe you should speak more specifically and less generally and get less backlash.
The entirety of the human race...yes.
Well, let me be perfectly clear then...
Hail Southern. ::deuces::
The only 2 that would be jealous at all are App st and Georgia state because of the rivalry. Trust me, everyone is glad you don't suck ass and add to the bottom 10, hard to believe but this whole conference thing isn't all about you. You aren't the big puppy anymore, you the little puppy fighting for scraps like the rest of us. The NCAA does not care about you or any of us, we are disposable to them. We out peanuts in their pocket instead of gold bricks. I'm sure when y'all were in a FCS and pitched a temper tantrum everybody listened...not here my friend.
That's cute. Hail Southern.
(11-06-2014 12:17 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]Wow-hard to see it -changing the rule in mid-season. Maybe they would for NOTRE Shame.
They did for PSU.
Honestly I don't want GS to go bowling this year. I want us to finish 10-2. Have a lot of talk in the off season about going bowling next year (and trying to get ranked and going to the access bowl). The biggest reason I don't want to go bowling this year is because of travel for our fan base. No one was expecting we could go bowling this year (most knew the rules and except it). People made their plans and budgets. I doubt we travel well to any bowl this year (unless it's in ATL). I definitely don't want to give a conference mate the boot. Lets just play the remaining schedule and talk about the what buts and ifs.
I will say that the petition was made by a fan (can't remember who) that was probably just a little over zealous and didn't mean to offend anyone. I feel this rule should be removed as long as players transferring to a transition team sit out a year like they would going to any FBS school. I also don't think a school who is 6-6 should go bowling either, but that's another topic.
For now this thread will stay on main board even though it has started to reek of smack. However, any new thread created about Georgia Southern and bowl eligibility will likely be merged with this one. Let's contain everything here.
Play nice!
(11-06-2014 06:55 AM)Ole Sleepy Wrote: [ -> ]The jealousy and butt hurt is strong in this thread.
Can we revisit that most hated team in the Belt poll?
Georgia Southern, if selected, will not be "taking anyone's slot" in a bowl game. We would be filling a vacancy caused by a lack of bowl eligible teams. No one in the Belt gets left at home because we went bowling.
Why wouldn't everyone be on board for Southern to go to a bowl game if it doesn't impact your team's bowl chances???
For the most part (there are some that your fans rubbed the wrong way... imagine that! it seems many Georgia Southern fans wear that like a badge of pride), EVERYONE on this board wants you to go to a bowl game via the scenario you just described.
Hell, my team plays you this weekend, and while I want you to lose the next two conference games (we have one conference loss, so you guys need 2 for us to have an outright championship), I want you to win against Navy, and get selected.
But the majority are saying it's absolutely asinine to try and change the rule mid-season. It reeks of entitlement, and makes your fan base with "we deserve this" (not the bowl, but the rule change) seem beyond arrogant and truly petulant.
I want you to go to a bowl game. I want to change the rule. I just don't want to change the rule mid-season.