About who beat who and why a team didn't beat a team by 50 pts or cover the spread. Win your conference and you are in. Plus take the 6 best teams that didn't win their conference, seed them and be done with it.
For example, TCU wouldn't run the score up to 82 vs TTech if they weren't looking for style points to impress voters. ECU fans wouldn't feel like they lost when they only beat Uconn by 10 pts. No one would be so concerned with the stupid CFP committee if we had conference champs plus 6.
Sure they would fight over who the 6 wild cards would be but nothing like the fiasco we have now.
It's ridiculous that you can't just win but you have to "impress" the committee. It should be win your league and you are in. Let the SEC get two teams every year too who cares everyone gets a shot. Marshall gets its shot, ECU (or UCF or whoever wins the AAC) gets their shot, hell UL Lafayette (Sun Belt) or the MAC champ plays SEC champ first round but still gets their shot too.
This setup with 4 teams randomly chosen by a made up committee is a failure already. We need a REAL PLAYOFF
Would be nice. The FCS has it right.
(10-27-2014 05:10 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]Would be nice. The FCS has it right.
Don't they take 24 teams? Too many.
(10-27-2014 05:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 05:10 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]Would be nice. The FCS has it right.
Don't they take 24 teams? Too many.
Agree. I meant having a tourney where every conference champ is represented plus extra at-large spots.
8 team playoff would be better. 16 team would be all inclusive with conf champs and 5-6 at-large teams.
The 16 team model is where it will end up. They're just playing with the lesser models now to pump up the price on the entire show by claiming exclusivity at first. Then they'll claim the huge bidding prices as market value once they've pumped the price enough.
I like the 6 team option myself. It should just be the elite teams
(10-27-2014 05:46 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote: [ -> ]I like the 6 team option myself. It should just be the elite teams
Well, I for one, am glad that's not the take on postseasons involving the NFL or NHL or NBA or MLB or college basketball or college baseball or college hockey, etc
(10-27-2014 05:46 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote: [ -> ]I like the 6 team option myself. It should just be the elite teams
Elite? Who judges who is elite or not? Totally subjective why not settle it on the field? If the SEC is so "elite" they will win a 16 team playoff every year but I bet they wouldn't.
UCF proved they could beat the Big12 champ last year, was that an "elite" Baylor team at 12-1?
Let them prove it on the field. I'm tired of ESPN and the rest of the pundits telling the nation who is "elite" or not.
Damn right OP.
I like it going beyond 6, because you never know how teams will play with everything on the line. Motivations can be key.
12-team is nice because it would make more games more meaningful for more teams while maintaining the importance of the regular season - It focuses on conference championships, but also allows the top non-champs an opportunity.
ROUND 1
Conference Champ #8 at Conference Champ #5
Conference Champ #7 at Conference Champ #6
At Large #4 at At Large #1
At Large #3 at At Large #2
ROUND 2
lowest remaining seed at #1 Conference Champ
2nd lowest remaining seed at #2 Conference Champ
3rd lowest remaining seed at #3 Conference Champ
highest remaining seed at #4 Conference Champ
ROUND 3 & 4
CFP Semi-Finals and National Championship game, as presently structured (host bowls and NY6 bowls, etc.)
2013 Example (based on BCS rankings):
ROUND 1, December 13-14
NR Bowling Green (MAC) at #6 Baylor (Big 12)
#20 Fresno St. (MWC) at #15 UCF (American)
#9 South Carolina (at large) at #3 Alabama (at large)
#8 Missouri (at large) at #7 Ohio St. (at large)
ROUND 2, December 20-21 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
#15 UCF at #1 Florida St. (ACC)
#7 Ohio St. at #2 Auburn (SEC)
#6 Baylor at #4 Michigan St. (Big Ten)
#3 Alabama at #5 Stanford (PAC 12)
ROUND 3, CFP SEMI-FINALS, December 31, 2014 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
Fiesta Bowl: #4 Michigan St. v. #2 Auburn
Orange Bowl: #3 Alabama v. #1 Florida St.
ROUND 4, CFP National Championship
???
Results = AMAZING!
The 12 or 16 team model that includes all conference champions would be a dream come true. I still believe the next step in the playoff is an 8 team field with the power five conference champions earning automatic bids. If that does happen the G5 has to convert their access bowl slot into an automatic bid for the highest ranked G5 champion. I have argued that this is a win-win for everyone because it keeps the G5 out of a meaningless bowl that requires large fan bases to sell tickets while giving everyone school a chance to play for the national title.
(10-27-2014 06:21 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]12-team is nice because it would make more games more meaningful for more teams while maintaining the importance of the regular season - It focuses on conference championships, but also allows the top non-champs an opportunity.
ROUND 1
Conference Champ #8 at Conference Champ #5
Conference Champ #7 at Conference Champ #6
At Large #4 at At Large #1
At Large #3 at At Large #2
ROUND 2
lowest remaining seed at #1 Conference Champ
2nd lowest remaining seed at #2 Conference Champ
3rd lowest remaining seed at #3 Conference Champ
highest remaining seed at #4 Conference Champ
ROUND 3 & 4
CFP Semi-Finals and National Championship game, as presently structured (host bowls and NY6 bowls, etc.)
2013 Example (based on BCS rankings):
ROUND 1, December 13-14
NR Bowling Green (MAC) at #6 Baylor (Big 12)
#20 Fresno St. (MWC) at #15 UCF (American)
#9 South Carolina (at large) at #3 Alabama (at large)
#8 Missouri (at large) at #7 Ohio St. (at large)
ROUND 2, December 20-21 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
#15 UCF at #1 Florida St. (ACC)
#7 Ohio St. at #2 Auburn (SEC)
#6 Baylor at #4 Michigan St. (Big Ten)
#3 Alabama at #5 Stanford (PAC 12)
ROUND 3, CFP SEMI-FINALS, December 31, 2014 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
Fiesta Bowl: #4 Michigan St. v. #2 Auburn
Orange Bowl: #3 Alabama v. #1 Florida St.
ROUND 4, CFP National Championship
???
Results = AMAZING!
I hate to break this to you but the 12 team model causes one team to receive a by-game. This will always cause controversy as the team receiving it will claim it as their reason for winning or losing.
12 = 6
6 = 3 Now (Uneven number leaves one team on a by-game.)
16 = 8
8 = 4
4 = 2
2 = 1 Fair and with little left to argue about.
I would love to see an 8 team playoff, ASAP.
If the AAC can continue its winning ways and especially outshine the MWC, then I think we could get an automatic inclusion in an Access bowl. I can see the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Cotton, Fiesta, Peach, Orange... and Add Citrus and Liberty being added. Thats 16 teams. The P5 would have the top 2 automatically get in, the AAC would get a single Auto Bid, the group of 4 would get 1 and then the 4 most deserving.
Essentially the major conferences would be getting 3 teams almost every year in the playoff and still taking a ton of cash.
The more interesting part is if the P5 decide to make a separate division. They currently have 65 teams and that simply isnt enough. I can see them helping the AAC add a few teams...like the academies and BYU, and taking them along. Thats right around 80 teams. Then they expand to a 16 team playoff and rack in huge profits.
(10-27-2014 07:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote: [ -> ]I would love to see an 8 team playoff, ASAP.
If the AAC can continue its winning ways and especially outshine the MWC, then I think we could get an automatic inclusion in an Access bowl. I can see the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Cotton, Fiesta, Peach, Orange... and Add Citrus and Liberty being added. Thats 16 teams. The P5 would have the top 2 automatically get in, the AAC would get a single Auto Bid, the group of 4 would get 1 and then the 4 most deserving.
Essentially the major conferences would be getting 3 teams almost every year in the playoff and still taking a ton of cash.
The more interesting part is if the P5 decide to make a separate division. They currently have 65 teams and that simply isnt enough. I can see them helping the AAC add a few teams...like the academies and BYU, and taking them along. Thats right around 80 teams. Then they expand to a 16 team playoff and rack in huge profits.
I like the idea, but I doubt the P5 would be this inclusive. They've shown little in the way of being that magnanimous so far. But the setup works, if allowed to happen.
(10-27-2014 06:54 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 06:21 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]12-team is nice because it would make more games more meaningful for more teams while maintaining the importance of the regular season - It focuses on conference championships, but also allows the top non-champs an opportunity.
ROUND 1
Conference Champ #8 at Conference Champ #5
Conference Champ #7 at Conference Champ #6
At Large #4 at At Large #1
At Large #3 at At Large #2
ROUND 2
lowest remaining seed at #1 Conference Champ
2nd lowest remaining seed at #2 Conference Champ
3rd lowest remaining seed at #3 Conference Champ
highest remaining seed at #4 Conference Champ
ROUND 3 & 4
CFP Semi-Finals and National Championship game, as presently structured (host bowls and NY6 bowls, etc.)
2013 Example (based on BCS rankings):
ROUND 1, December 13-14
NR Bowling Green (MAC) at #6 Baylor (Big 12)
#20 Fresno St. (MWC) at #15 UCF (American)
#9 South Carolina (at large) at #3 Alabama (at large)
#8 Missouri (at large) at #7 Ohio St. (at large)
ROUND 2, December 20-21 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
#15 UCF at #1 Florida St. (ACC)
#7 Ohio St. at #2 Auburn (SEC)
#6 Baylor at #4 Michigan St. (Big Ten)
#3 Alabama at #5 Stanford (PAC 12)
ROUND 3, CFP SEMI-FINALS, December 31, 2014 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
Fiesta Bowl: #4 Michigan St. v. #2 Auburn
Orange Bowl: #3 Alabama v. #1 Florida St.
ROUND 4, CFP National Championship
???
Results = AMAZING!
I hate to break this to you but the 12 team model causes one team to receive a by-game. This will always cause controversy as the team receiving it will claim it as their reason for winning or losing.
12 = 6
6 = 3 Now (Uneven number leaves one team on a by-game.)
16 = 8
8 = 4
4 = 2
2 = 1 Fair and with little left to argue about.
I hate to break it to you, but you don't understand how a 12-team playoff usually works.
Teams seeded 1-4 get a bye.
Team 5 plays 12, 6 plays 11, 7 plays 10, and 8 plays 9.
Then 1 plays the winner of 8-9.
Team 2 plays the winner of 7-10.
Team 3 plays the winner of 6-11.
Team 4 plays the winner of 5-12.
Then winner of 1/8-9 plays 4/5-12.
Other 2 winners play.
Two winners play for championship.
(10-27-2014 07:47 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 06:54 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 06:21 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]12-team is nice because it would make more games more meaningful for more teams while maintaining the importance of the regular season - It focuses on conference championships, but also allows the top non-champs an opportunity.
ROUND 1
Conference Champ #8 at Conference Champ #5
Conference Champ #7 at Conference Champ #6
At Large #4 at At Large #1
At Large #3 at At Large #2
ROUND 2
lowest remaining seed at #1 Conference Champ
2nd lowest remaining seed at #2 Conference Champ
3rd lowest remaining seed at #3 Conference Champ
highest remaining seed at #4 Conference Champ
ROUND 3 & 4
CFP Semi-Finals and National Championship game, as presently structured (host bowls and NY6 bowls, etc.)
2013 Example (based on BCS rankings):
ROUND 1, December 13-14
NR Bowling Green (MAC) at #6 Baylor (Big 12)
#20 Fresno St. (MWC) at #15 UCF (American)
#9 South Carolina (at large) at #3 Alabama (at large)
#8 Missouri (at large) at #7 Ohio St. (at large)
ROUND 2, December 20-21 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
#15 UCF at #1 Florida St. (ACC)
#7 Ohio St. at #2 Auburn (SEC)
#6 Baylor at #4 Michigan St. (Big Ten)
#3 Alabama at #5 Stanford (PAC 12)
ROUND 3, CFP SEMI-FINALS, December 31, 2014 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
Fiesta Bowl: #4 Michigan St. v. #2 Auburn
Orange Bowl: #3 Alabama v. #1 Florida St.
ROUND 4, CFP National Championship
???
Results = AMAZING!
I hate to break this to you but the 12 team model causes one team to receive a by-game. This will always cause controversy as the team receiving it will claim it as their reason for winning or losing.
12 = 6
6 = 3 Now (Uneven number leaves one team on a by-game.)
16 = 8
8 = 4
4 = 2
2 = 1 Fair and with little left to argue about.
I hate to break it to you, but you don't understand how a 12-team playoff usually works.
Teams seeded 1-4 get a bye.
Team 5 plays 12, 6 plays 11, 7 plays 10, and 8 plays 9.
Then 1 plays the winner of 8-9.
Team 2 plays the winner of 7-10.
Team 3 plays the winner of 6-11.
Team 4 plays the winner of 5-12.
Then winner of 1/8-9 plays 4/5-12.
Other 2 winners play.
Two winners play for championship.
Fine and like I said, that by-week will cause issues as it will be perceived rightly or wrongly as an advantage/disadvantage. So my point stands.
(10-27-2014 07:49 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 07:47 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 06:54 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2014 06:21 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]12-team is nice because it would make more games more meaningful for more teams while maintaining the importance of the regular season - It focuses on conference championships, but also allows the top non-champs an opportunity.
ROUND 1
Conference Champ #8 at Conference Champ #5
Conference Champ #7 at Conference Champ #6
At Large #4 at At Large #1
At Large #3 at At Large #2
ROUND 2
lowest remaining seed at #1 Conference Champ
2nd lowest remaining seed at #2 Conference Champ
3rd lowest remaining seed at #3 Conference Champ
highest remaining seed at #4 Conference Champ
ROUND 3 & 4
CFP Semi-Finals and National Championship game, as presently structured (host bowls and NY6 bowls, etc.)
2013 Example (based on BCS rankings):
ROUND 1, December 13-14
NR Bowling Green (MAC) at #6 Baylor (Big 12)
#20 Fresno St. (MWC) at #15 UCF (American)
#9 South Carolina (at large) at #3 Alabama (at large)
#8 Missouri (at large) at #7 Ohio St. (at large)
ROUND 2, December 20-21 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
#15 UCF at #1 Florida St. (ACC)
#7 Ohio St. at #2 Auburn (SEC)
#6 Baylor at #4 Michigan St. (Big Ten)
#3 Alabama at #5 Stanford (PAC 12)
ROUND 3, CFP SEMI-FINALS, December 31, 2014 (assuming higher ranked teams won)
Fiesta Bowl: #4 Michigan St. v. #2 Auburn
Orange Bowl: #3 Alabama v. #1 Florida St.
ROUND 4, CFP National Championship
???
Results = AMAZING!
I hate to break this to you but the 12 team model causes one team to receive a by-game. This will always cause controversy as the team receiving it will claim it as their reason for winning or losing.
12 = 6
6 = 3 Now (Uneven number leaves one team on a by-game.)
16 = 8
8 = 4
4 = 2
2 = 1 Fair and with little left to argue about.
I hate to break it to you, but you don't understand how a 12-team playoff usually works.
Teams seeded 1-4 get a bye.
Team 5 plays 12, 6 plays 11, 7 plays 10, and 8 plays 9.
Then 1 plays the winner of 8-9.
Team 2 plays the winner of 7-10.
Team 3 plays the winner of 6-11.
Team 4 plays the winner of 5-12.
Then winner of 1/8-9 plays 4/5-12.
Other 2 winners play.
Two winners play for championship.
Fine and like I said, that by-week will cause issues as it will be perceived rightly or wrongly as an advantage/disadvantage. So my point stands.
OF COURSE IT IS AN ADVANTAGE. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SEEDED 1-4. They earned that right by being better during the regular season. If somebody wants to complain, they should have played better during the season, lol.
And I wasn't arguing the silly point you were making. I was just trying to explain that you don't understand how a 12-team playoff works. And your point isn't supported by your example.
When the byes are given to the first 4 teams, it makes perfect sense why they have an advantage.
Therefore, nobody can rightfully complain. So your "point" dissolves into nonsense.
(10-27-2014 07:54 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Before
OF COURSE IT IS AN ADVANTAGE. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SEEDED 1-4. They earned that right by being better during the regular season. If somebody wants to complain, they should have played better during the season, lol.
And I wasn't arguing the silly point you were making. I was just trying to explain that you don't understand how a 12-team playoff works. And your point isn't supported by your example.
When the byes are given to the first 4 teams, it makes perfect sense why they have an advantage.
Therefore, nobody can rightfully complain. So your "point" dissolves into nonsense.
Before you get all excited, read the post. I'm quite sure you didn't.
There have been many teams who've complained about having to take a by-week as it throws off their teams rhythm. You can go back to UGA and USCe last year who complained about the long layoff prior to Bowls. There have been numerous accounts of Coaches complaining both for and against the by-week models. That is my point. It creates controversy. I mention the Bowls because many want to make them inclusive in the playoff models.
So to eliminate all that garbage why not stick with 8 or my favorite 16 team playoff. But hey, continue your rant.