1) Every team will try to make Bell beat you with his arm and will follow UMASS strategy on stacking the line. Bell ran too many times and like I said in previous posts if we have to rely on 70 yard runs from Bell to be effective - it ain't happening at the FBS level.
2) No adjustments made by our coaches - this is scary.
3) However, I would say UMASS has better talent on offense than us. We were competitive against a team that is better than their record.
4) However, it goes to show you how good Martin is as a coach since Miami has less talent than UMass and he implemented a strategy to win the game. Coach Martin made adjustments at half time that took advantage of weaknesses he saw during 1st half . This guy should be at EMU
Finally, I believe Creighton will take us to a bowl game some day but I am not sure he has the abilities to out coach or out recruit other MAC coaches....I am happy with the coaching upgrade over English but I have seen enough to form an educated opinion on what kind of coach we have...
At a certain level, the failure to hire Martin is classic EMU: We had a great, obvious choice (Martin), but made a hire out of nowhere (CC) based on the quality of the interview rather than track record.
Martin didn't want to come here. I don't get why people keep bringing him up. Miami hired him before we hired Creighton. Smart move on his part.
Got love it. One week later CC can't coach-again. Martin had several opportunities to come here and I believe he passed each time. I think Babers was offered the job and probably declined. We still have a chance to improve on last year's 2-10 record. I thought Buffalo might be the start of an upward swing but it may ended up being a fluke.
Dear Friends,
Mr. Martin and Mr. Babers are not lighting up the world. You can argue that they are scoring points, but Miami is still losing, and Babers who was to lead Bowling Green to another championship may fall flat before the season is over. What kinds of adjustments did Babers make in an embarrassing loss to Western this past week-end? The grass always looks greener. I still believe Eastern is going to win more games this season. No one is guaranteed anything this season.
(10-19-2014 09:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]Martin didn't want to come here. I don't get why people keep bringing him up. Miami hired him before we hired Creighton. Smart move on his part.
We didn't exactly push hard to get him -- that's my point. Maybe some aggressiveness would have worked.
(10-19-2014 12:00 PM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2014 09:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]Martin didn't want to come here. I don't get why people keep bringing him up. Miami hired him before we hired Creighton. Smart move on his part.
We didn't exactly push hard to get him -- that's my point. Maybe some aggressiveness would have worked.
Actually Martin was going to come here and wanted to be here before we hired Ron English. Unfortunately, rumors have it that Loyd Carr who was on the EMU Coaching Committee was pushing for his guy, Ron English and the rest is history.
Also EMU79, you must not have read my initial Post, I believe that Creighton is an upgrade over English, he will get us to a bowl game, but I do not see him out coaching or out recruiting NIU, BSU, Miami, BGSU, Toledo and it appears WMU has just entered that equation. Yes, I know Fleck didn't set the world on fire his 1st year, but he played a young team and has back to back 1st ranked recruiting classes and WMU is on the way up....I believe EMU is on the way up too, but our growth is going to be much slower.....
(10-19-2014 05:06 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2014 12:00 PM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2014 09:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]Martin didn't want to come here. I don't get why people keep bringing him up. Miami hired him before we hired Creighton. Smart move on his part.
We didn't exactly push hard to get him -- that's my point. Maybe some aggressiveness would have worked.
Actually Martin was going to come here and wanted to be here before we hired Ron English. Unfortunately, rumors have it that Loyd Carr who was on the EMU Coaching Committee was pushing for his guy, Ron English and the rest is history.
Also EMU79, you must not have read my initial Post, I believe that Creighton is an upgrade over English, he will get us to a bowl game, but I do not see him out coaching or out recruiting NIU, BSU, Miami, BGSU, Toledo and it appears WMU has just entered that equation. Yes, I know Fleck didn't set the world on fire his 1st year, but he played a young team and has back to back 1st ranked recruiting classes and WMU is on the way up....I believe EMU is on the way up too, but our growth is going to be much slower.....
I think EMU is currently ranked 7 for the 2015 class with room to move up. I've posted that before. I do look for a 25 plus recruiting class with some of the scholies probably JUCO being Dec guys and counting towards last year.
I posted on the UMass game day thread the comment made by coach
Mark Whipple to the press indicating his surprise by the EMU coaches
continuing to try and ride Bell even though the Mass defense was not
going to let it happen. Our opinions are armchair but for a person like
Whipple to say this is very telling. If he would say this to the press I
would love to be a fly on the wall when he and his coaches sit around
discussing EMU in private. Some people are upset (including me) that
a running back who had seasons of 1100 and 1200 yards is not being
used properly but in addition a receiver who had 46 catches last year
and is a drive extending, possession style receiver which is the QB's
best friend when the defense is teeing off on him while he waits for
mediocre wide receivers to get 20 yards downfield is having his skills
wasted by this coaching staff.
Guys, I respect the conversation here but taking from the title and kind of spinning it:
"The jury is not expected to return a verdict soon. It will be out for probably several years..."
(10-20-2014 08:52 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, I respect the conversation here but taking from the title and kind of spinning it:
"The jury is not expected to return a verdict soon. It will be out for probably several years..."
Truth. But there are some red flags popping up.
(10-19-2014 11:16 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ]Got love it. One week later CC can't coach-again. Martin had several opportunities to come here and I believe he passed each time. I think Babers was offered the job and probably declined. We still have a chance to improve on last year's 2-10 record. I thought Buffalo might be the start of an upward swing but it may ended up being a fluke.
Could he ever coach? It took a once in a generation performance by Bell vs Buffalo to pull out the win. Statistically, the defense has got to be the worst in the nation. He gets woefully outcoached each week. Facts can be "mean" but that's the unvarnished truth.
(10-20-2014 11:57 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2014 11:16 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ]Got love it. One week later CC can't coach-again. Martin had several opportunities to come here and I believe he passed each time. I think Babers was offered the job and probably declined. We still have a chance to improve on last year's 2-10 record. I thought Buffalo might be the start of an upward swing but it may ended up being a fluke.
Could he ever coach? It took a once a generation performance by Bell vs Buffalo to pull out the win. Statistically, the defense has got to be the worst in the nation. He gets woefully outcoached each week. Facts can be "mean" but that's the unvarnished truth.
Could he ever coach?
That's not the right question Bob, he has the record at every level to show he can be a successful coach except of course at the FBS level. So the right question is can he ever coach a successful FBS team? Steve is right the verdict will honestly have to wait another one to two years. I agree with Bovine that there are some open questions and concerns. I keeping questioning why we are playing as though we have a roster of about 40 players and others outside of redshirt freshmen haven't played a down all season even in blowouts. It should be an interesting spring 2015 roster.
I just don't understand his stubborness to NOT run Bronson Hill against one of the worst rushing defenses in the nation!
I live in Des Moines, home of Drake University. I wish people would come down and watch the "level" that Drake plays at! It is the lowest of low! I laugh at the notion that if you won at Drake, it should translate to the MAC. Night and day, folks.
We ripped Gragg for using Lloyd Carr to hire English. Didn't Lyke do the same with Tressel to hire Creighton--minus big time credentials?
Again, I'm just offering my perspective. All opinions are welcome...and needed.
Bob,
I've grown tired of the every five year complete rebuild phase in EMU football. I think Creighton can market and manage the program and move to it where it needs to be look at the Factory at least people are talking about the program with some positives. I don't believe that all the players actually bought in to CC's program. I expect the separation of the what fits with his program and what doesn't to be sorted out after this season. I like to see what he can do with players that fit the style of play he has in mind. That find and replace will take another two years. As you recall English changed some of his assistants after the first two years, we'll see what CC does. Certainly our offense hasn't been "lot of points" this season. Maybe after 3 years we'll see where the program is or isn't.
Of course after all these years the fact that the color of our field is the topic of any positive discussion about our program says a lot about a little.
I looked it up, we are ranked 118 out of 125 in total defense...oddly enough, BG is 124.
We are ranked 120 in points per game allowed. We have some high scoring opponents remaining on the sschedule. I can see the D-coordinator getting blown out if the D continues to be a sieve.
Dear Friends,
I've said it before on other threads, Creighton does not carry the ball, he does not move before the ball is snapped. Those are players on the field, which many of you continue to gloss over the mistakes made by them, and just criticize Coach Creighton.
Eastern had two fumbles and an interception against Massachusetts. If one could go back and look at the missques in key situations, I think you would be leveling more criticism towards the players.
Bob, I know it wasn't Mr. Hill, but Mr. Jackson had a nice run in the last game. I also think your criticism of the defense is somewhat over the top. Should they play better? Possibly, but when the offense is not putting together drives, our defense is playing two-thirds of the game.
Ken, i'm shaking my head!
We know Creighton doesn t carry the ball but he puts together the gameplan. He did a terrible job.
The defensive stats are the defensive stats. There is no debate.
Dear Bob,
That is what is called the misleading statistic. It does not take into account the amount of time being on the field. Do you really think playing two thirds of the game won't effect in a poor performance? People are going to get tired.
The information age is great!
Makes us want everything NOW!!!!!!!
NOW!!!! NOW!!!!! NOW!!!!!
Do I understand the criticisms of the coaching? Sure!
Do I think they're fair? Maybe.
Do I think we're all a little fickle and need to calm down? Absolutely.
In all honesty, I had given up on this team before homecoming and then they won.
Immediately I was hooked. Then...... The mess at UMASS....
Here's where I'm at as a fan:
1) As big of an English supporter as I was early in his tenure, it took him 18 games to get his first win.
2) When we talked recruiting in the past, we NEVER had this many commits this early in the year.
3) Both #1 and #2 give me reason for optimism.
But what we're seeing on the board is what many fans feel. They're tired of losses, tired of being told to embrace the process, and just want to see wins!
I believe that in the same way players grow and develop, Creighton will grow and develop as a Coach. Things will get turned around here.