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Just say no...

http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/422100

Unfortunately I see this as the beginning of York's journey to join the team. Now that this is "behind" him (as I predict Coach Campbell will say when York joins the team) he will most likely be on the team.

(09-22-2014 04:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately I see this as the beginning of York's journey to join the team. Now that this is "behind" him (as I predict Coach Campbell will say when York joins the team) he will most likely be on the team.

I'm hoping we never hear that out of him. If he lets this guy on the team, I'm done with him. No way to do damage control after something like that, and allowing him to join the Rocket football team is turning a blind eye and pretending all is well. Rocket football deserves better than that. I'm sure Campbell is wise enough to know better than to make that kind of mistake.

(09-22-2014 01:28 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Just say no...

http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/422100

Watch the you tube video underneath the article. What a punk.

There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

I agree. There should be tight rules over a long period of time placed on this kid before he ever plays a snap of football for Toledo. If he is successful, great story about a life changed. If not, escort the punk out the door.

(09-22-2014 08:04 PM)tolfbfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

I agree. There should be tight rules over a long period of time placed on this kid before he ever plays a snap of football for Toledo. If he is successful, great story about a life changed. If not, escort the punk out the door.

Put all the rules possible on the kid, there's still going to be backlash. It's not going to be a popular idea until it's someone else's idea, not the coaches'.

Unfortunately, it looks like coaching has already played a role. How do they explain it so that it doesn't seem like win at any cost? What does this kid have to do in order to be more deserving of a chance than the ton of talent out there without the history?

As I wrote on the other thread. That video will ALWAYS be. For his own good, the kid has to "redeem" himself (make that video an after-thought) BEFORE he ever sees a University practice field, be it UT or elsewhere.

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

What rehabilitation has he done? He nearly killed a man. He should be in prison for a long time not on the Toledo football team.

(09-22-2014 08:35 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

What rehabilitation has he done? He nearly killed a man. He should be in prison for a long time not on the Toledo football team.

I don't think he has earned anything yet. Put many strict goals in front of him. If not met, send packing. If change is made, second chance. Only after a long period where the kid has to jump over so many hurdles he is scared of heights.

(09-22-2014 08:35 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

What rehabilitation has he done? He nearly killed a man. He should be in prison for a long time not on the Toledo football team.

he threw a punch at a guy, which most young men have done at one point or another. now, most young men don't realize all the consequences of that action. My daughter's friend last summer, a graduating HS football star w a college scholarship in hand. got in a confrontation w a drunk guy, threw a punch caught him flush and the guy fell back cracked his head on the concrete and died. he was charged w murder (although the case was settled w a lesser charge) it happens. lives are ruined. its also a college kid throwing a punch. tough thing to manage. no weapon. what was the intent. is he kinda off, has he hurt people before, or was there something we don't hear on the video that made him flip out for a second.

we have lots of wr talent on this team. don't forget the frosh transfer from wisconsin who was as highly rated as york out of hs. i don't think campbell would put him on the team out of desperation to win. he might be good enough to play, but not that much better than our other guys.

(09-22-2014 04:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately I see this as the beginning of York's journey to join the team. Now that this is "behind" him (as I predict Coach Campbell will say when York joins the team) he will most likely be on the team.

Of all the things that we can complain about with the current coaching staff (mediocre teams, poor results by the end of the season, no bowl game last year, poor defense, losing to Akron last year, etc.), one thing they do a great job with is citizenship of their students. I doubt this kid is ever allowed to wear the midnight blue and gold.*

* I was wrong once about ten years ago so I guess there's a chance somewhere that I could be wrong about this but I don't think so.

(09-22-2014 09:25 PM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-22-2014 08:35 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

What rehabilitation has he done? He nearly killed a man. He should be in prison for a long time not on the Toledo football team.

he threw a punch at a guy, which most young men have done at one point or another. now, most young men don't realize all the consequences of that action. My daughter's friend last summer, a graduating HS football star w a college scholarship in hand. got in a confrontation w a drunk guy, threw a punch caught him flush and the guy fell back cracked his head on the concrete and died. he was charged w murder (although the case was settled w a lesser charge) it happens. lives are ruined. its also a college kid throwing a punch. tough thing to manage. no weapon. what was the intent. is he kinda off, has he hurt people before, or was there something we don't hear on the video that made him flip out for a second.

we have lots of wr talent on this team. don't forget the frosh transfer from wisconsin who was as highly rated as york out of hs. i don't think campbell would put him on the team out of desperation to win. he might be good enough to play, but not that much better than our other guys.

Same thing happened to an incoming FR when I was at UT...punched a guy, who hit his head and died. I'm not condoning what York did at all, but you are dreaming if you think that every kid playing ball at UT is an angel. It's a good thing there wasn't social media, etc back in the early 90's...

(09-22-2014 08:35 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-22-2014 05:44 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]There is such a thing as rehabilitation. We certainly do not want punks. However, good people sometime do bad things and hopefully learn from them. If everyone's future was destroyed by one stupid action, nobody would have a future.

What rehabilitation has he done? He nearly killed a man. He should be in prison for a long time not on the Toledo football team.

I don't the details, I don't the words said. Does he deserve a 2nd chance, I don't know. I don't know what I don't know. But where did it say he almost killed the guy? Did I miss that completely???

I grew up in a neighborhood where the biggest jerk scumbag was a guy who played football and basketball for St. Francis. He picked on me every chance he could, including physically assaulting me on a couple of occasions. A few years later he turned up in an advanced accounting class my junior year at UT. He quickly learned that in the real world, outside of sports, he was no one special. We actually became friends and now almost 40 years later he is someone I respect. Kids do grow up, mature and have quality lives. That is what college is supposed to do for a person.

The public's opinion is made up by what they see, hear, and read. The reading part, says he was guilty of breaking a guy's jaw in three places, causing him to eat through a tube. The seeing part is the video. The hearing part is from UM fans, who will say things like "stay classy Toledo", and opposing recruiters asking parents if they really want to send their son to Toledo. He may deserved a second chance, but Toledo is way too close to the scene of the crime. Let him go somewhere else.

(09-23-2014 08:37 AM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]I grew up in a neighborhood where the biggest jerk scumbag was a guy who played football and basketball for St. Francis. He picked on me every chance he could, including physically assaulting me on a couple of occasions. A few years later he turned up in an advanced accounting class my junior year at UT. He quickly learned that in the real world, outside of sports, he was no one special. We actually became friends and now almost 40 years later he is someone I respect. Kids do grow up, mature and have quality lives. That is what college is supposed to do for a person.

Not a single person has posted denying him college.

(09-23-2014 02:59 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2014 08:37 AM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]I grew up in a neighborhood where the biggest jerk scumbag was a guy who played football and basketball for St. Francis. He picked on me every chance he could, including physically assaulting me on a couple of occasions. A few years later he turned up in an advanced accounting class my junior year at UT. He quickly learned that in the real world, outside of sports, he was no one special. We actually became friends and now almost 40 years later he is someone I respect. Kids do grow up, mature and have quality lives. That is what college is supposed to do for a person.

Not a single person has posted denying him college.

Yep. He can still be a very productive citizen by going to college. If he can't be a productive citizen without football, then he still has major issues.

If the guy wanted to show some class now that the criminal part is over - and it is unlikely there will be a civil part to it since there are likely no assets to go after, he should try to meet the victim and ask for forgiveness and also see if there is anything he can do to make up for what he did to him. If he is just slinking away and hoping for the spotlight to disappear so he can go back to football and a normal life when everything dies down - then he has not learned a lesson nor will he have shown true remorse for what he did. Asking for forgiveness is often more difficult that granting it. He can't be afraid to ask for it. I'm sure the victim would also feel better if there is at least an attempt to apologize face-to-face even if there is no explanation that will ever satisfy him. He will also move on with his life.


I saw something today that was posted at work - not sure I will get it exactly correct, but it was something like what is below. He needs to handle the brave part first.

The first to apologize is the bravest.
The first to forgive is the strongest.
The first to forget is the happiest

Misdemeanor assault? Wow, if I saw that and there was somebody I REALLY didn't like I might think "Hey, I can absorb a misdemeanor!" That was way too ugly for misdemeanor.

Did anyone notice that CMU has just removed their star RB Rawls from the suspended list hours after pleading guilty to criminal charges? He helped his friends steal a purse at a casino. He is now eligible to play v Toledo on Saturday. Rawls got special permission from the court to go out of state for the game. I do not understand why the conference does not suspend him. This is NOT rehabilitation. This is a matter of CMU doing whatever it takes to beat Toledo.