English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices.
America was founded on religion, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
it's because we made the mistake of being too liberal on who we allow into this country. The problems the pilgrims were escaping followed them over from Europe and elsewhere.
(09-10-2014 03:41 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: [ -> ]it's because we made the mistake of being too liberal on who we allow into this country. The problems the pilgrims were escaping followed them over from Europe and elsewhere.
Yep. and now we don't even get to choose who we allow in anymore. 70% of Americans want to close the border and we can't even make it happen.
Only 407 years and we fail miserably. We don't even have a 32nd of the rich history other countries have. Thanks hippies and liberals.
I am not sure that Jamestown was founded for religious practices and freedom. I believe it was better understood to have been founded as a commercial enterprise.
Quote:The colony was sponsored by the Virginia Company of London, a group of investors who hoped to profit from the venture. Chartered in 1606 by King James I, the company also supported English national goals of counterbalancing the expansion of other European nations abroad, seeking a northwest passage to the Orient, and converting the Virginia Indians to the Anglican religion.
http://www.historyisfun.org/history-jamestown.htm
(09-10-2014 03:48 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]I am not sure that Jamestown was founded for religious practices and freedom. I believe it was better understood to have been founded as a commercial enterprise.
Quote:The colony was sponsored by the Virginia Company of London, a group of investors who hoped to profit from the venture. Chartered in 1606 by King James I, the company also supported English national goals of counterbalancing the expansion of other European nations abroad, seeking a northwest passage to the Orient, and converting the Virginia Indians to the Anglican religion.
http://www.historyisfun.org/history-jamestown.htm
Those who funded the pilgrims were looking for financial gain, but the Pilgrims endured conditions you and I cannot fathom to escape religious persecution.
I recommend
A Great and Godly Adventure The The Pilgrims and the Myth of the First Thanksgiving
By Godfrey Hodgson
It is the most accurate and well written account of the Pilgrims I have ever read.
(09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices.
America was founded on religion, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
Or.............
Quote:The colony was sponsored by the Virginia Company of London, a group of investors who hoped to profit from the venture. Chartered in 1606 by King James I, the company also supported English national goals of counterbalancing the expansion of other European nations abroad, seeking a northwest passage to the Orient, and converting the Virginia Indians to the Anglican religion.
A Brief History of Jamestown
Curious if you'd like these religious practices today though!
Quote:Martial law was established by Lord de la Warr in 1610 to enforce discipline among men who were in open conflict with the native population. Under the military rule imposed by de la Warr, church attendance was mandatory. Services were held fourteen times a week, with sermons preached twice on Sunday and once on either Wednesday or Thursday. Two prayer services, one in the morning and one in the evening, were held Monday through Saturday. These services followed the Book of Common Prayer. One of the Sunday services was followed by the reading of the laws, so that everyone was made aware of them. An afternoon catechism was also held by the minister on Sunday.
There was little opportunity for men working in the vicinity of James Fort to avoid the required church services. The Captain of the Watch was under instructions to round up all persons, except those sick or injured, and bring them to the Church at the appropriate times. The laws prescribed a range of punishments for those who failed to attend services, as well as for the minister if he failed to conduct a service. Missing one would cost the settler his ration of food for the day. Additional absences received increasingly severe punishments and could result in death. There are no historic records of enforced punishments given in relation to church attendance at Jamestown.
The Virginia colony was served by ministers appointed by the Bishop of London, under whose jurisdiction laid the parishes within the colony were laid out. Each minister was dispatched with a role as spiritual leader to the colonists and as Anglican missionaries of the Church of England toward the Indians. Their missionary work was largely unsuccessful, as they were preoccupied with the spiritual needs of the distressed colonists.
When Captain Samuel Argall came to Jamestown in 1617, he found the fort to be in a severe state of disrepair, with few houses, the church down, the palisades broken, contaminated water and tobacco planted in every possible place. That year, Captain Argall built a third church on the site where the present day church stands at Historic Jamestowne. This structure was built of timbers and had a cobblestone foundation. This is the church that was the site of the first General Assembly meeting on July 30, 1619.
http://www.historyisfun.org/pdf/Backgrou...estown.pdf
(09-10-2014 03:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices.
America was founded on religion, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
Or.............
Quote:The colony was sponsored by the Virginia Company of London, a group of investors who hoped to profit from the venture. Chartered in 1606 by King James I, the company also supported English national goals of counterbalancing the expansion of other European nations abroad, seeking a northwest passage to the Orient, and converting the Virginia Indians to the Anglican religion.
A Brief History of Jamestown
Curious if you'd like these religious practices today though!
Quote:Martial law was established by Lord de la Warr in 1610 to enforce discipline among men who were in open conflict with the native population. Under the military rule imposed by de la Warr, church attendance was mandatory. Services were held fourteen times a week, with sermons preached twice on Sunday and once on either Wednesday or Thursday. Two prayer services, one in the morning and one in the evening, were held Monday through Saturday. These services followed the Book of Common Prayer. One of the Sunday services was followed by the reading of the laws, so that everyone was made aware of them. An afternoon catechism was also held by the minister on Sunday. There was little opportunity for men working in the vicinity of James Fort to avoid
the required church services. The Captain of the Watch was under instructions to round up all persons, except those sick or injured, and bring them to the Church at the appropriate times. The laws prescribed a range of punishments for those who failed to attend services, as well as for the minister if he failed to conduct a service. Missing one would cost the settler his ration of food for the day. Additional absences received increasingly severe punishments and could result in death. There are no historic records of enforced punishments given in relation to church attendance at Jamestown.
The Virginia colony was served by ministers appointed by the Bishop of London, under whose jurisdiction laid the parishes within the colony were laid out. Each minister was dispatched with a role as spiritual leader to the colonists and as Anglican missionaries of the Church of England toward the Indians. Their missionary work was largely unsuccessful, as they were preoccupied with the spiritual needs of the distressed colonists.
When Captain Samuel Argall came to Jamestown in 1617, he found the fort to be in a severe state of disrepair, with few houses, the church down, the palisades broken, contaminated water and tobacco planted in every possible place. That year, Captain Argall built a third church on the site where the present day church stands at Historic Jamestowne. This structure was built of timbers and had a cobblestone foundation. This is the church that was the site of the first General Assembly meeting on July 30, 1619.
http://www.historyisfun.org/pdf/Backgrou...estown.pdf
Tom, I have already pointed out that the investors were looking for financial gain, but the Pilgrims were escaping religious persecution.
They weren't even called Pilgrims. They were called The Separatists.
(09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices.
America was founded on religion, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
wasn't the rest of the world at some point....(let's don't forget that 'freedom' part of the equation or 'separation' of church and state thingy)
maybe some of us decided it was tard mat'l....
Quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Or as Justice Hugo Black wrote:
Quote:The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another.
Okie, get your terminology right. Pilgrims settled in Mass. Colonists settled in Jamestown. There was very little "religious motivation".
Same for New York. Strictly a business proposition.
(09-10-2014 04:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices.
America was founded on religion, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
wasn't the rest of the world at some point....(let's don't forget that 'freedom' part of the equation or 'separation' of church and state thingy)
maybe some of us decided it was tard mat'l....
Most of the world was inhabited during Greek god era. English settlers came to America 400 years ago to escape persecution for their religious beliefs. They came here to practice religion without interference.
(09-10-2014 04:07 PM)Old Dominion Wrote: [ -> ]Okie, get your terminology right. Pilgrims settled in Mass. Colonists settled in Jamestown. There was very little "religious motivation".
Same for New York. Strictly a business proposition.
The English settlers came here for religious practices that wouldn't be interfered with.
(09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices freedom.
America was founded on religion freedom, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
FIFY
(09-10-2014 04:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices freedom.
America was founded on religion freedom, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
FIFY
That works... Thanks.
It's a shame that we've gone downhill when the length of our history equals a millimeter on a yard stick of world history.
(09-10-2014 04:07 PM)Old Dominion Wrote: [ -> ]Okie, get your terminology right. Pilgrims settled in Mass. Colonists settled in Jamestown. There was very little "religious motivation".
Same for New York. Strictly a business proposition.
Again, the reasons and motivations for the financial backers were different than those who uprooted their families and took risks they knew could very easily end their lives.
(09-10-2014 04:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 04:07 PM)Old Dominion Wrote: [ -> ]Okie, get your terminology right. Pilgrims settled in Mass. Colonists settled in Jamestown. There was very little "religious motivation".
Same for New York. Strictly a business proposition.
Again, the reasons and motivations for the financial backers were different than those who uprooted their families and took risks they knew could very easily end their lives.
OD is getting too uptight with the usage of Pilgrim and Jamestown. The point still remains. Our ancestors settled here for religious freedom, and they began it in 1607. What has become of it since their arrival, they would be extremely angry.
(09-10-2014 04:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 04:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices freedom.
America was founded on religion freedom, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
FIFY
That works... Thanks.
It's a shame that we've gone downhill when the length of our history equals a millimeter on a yard stick of world history.
LSU, did you read what I posted on the practices of religion that was forced upon Jamestown? I would argue that we've vastly improved since then.
Who would want to live in a country where religion and its practices were forced upon you by a few who were in charge?
Face it, we've improved things. Stop acting like you're being persecuted. You have way more freedom to practice your religion here in America today than just about any other country on the planet.
Stop being so damned obtuse!
yeah, I've read all this left wing nonsense before. The bottom line is these people didn't risk their lives thinking they were going to get rich. The only people who were profiting were those in London like the Virginia company.
(09-10-2014 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 04:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 04:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2014 03:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: [ -> ]English settlers formed Jamestown and settled here in the "New World" for religious practices freedom.
America was founded on religion freedom, as it withers away, so too does this once great nation.
FIFY
That works... Thanks.
It's a shame that we've gone downhill when the length of our history equals a millimeter on a yard stick of world history.
LSU, did you read what I posted on the practices of religion that was forced upon Jamestown? I would argue that we've vastly improved since then.
Who would want to live in a country where religion and its practices were forced upon you by a few who were in charge?
Face it, we've improved things. Stop acting like you're being persecuted. You have way more freedom to practice your religion here in America today than just about any other country on the planet.
Stop being so damned obtuse!
Yeah I saw it but our ancestors came here for religious freedom. I read what you wrote before you posted it... I'm not saying it went downhill from 1607, I'm saying it started going downhill last century, and now we're a nation of crumble because we have lost pretty much all religious efforts and it's getting more and more evil. This probably isn't what the settlers intended.