My long time tailgate partner and friend goes to church with the AD of a ACC school. This Saturday he told me they had a discussion about the Power Five schools and what it meant to schools like App. The AD said there are basically 5 schools - Alabama, Florida, LSU, Ohio State and Michigan - who are pushing radical change and the rest simply want to have more control over how they can spend their money. He also said there are P5 AD's with budgets in the $90 to $100 million range saying they will not be able to balance their budgets if this handful of schools get their way. I got the impression he doesn't think the other P5 schools will let these few get out of line.
There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
(09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
And they are going to play themselves? LOL
There are a few reasons why this has never happened
Let them create a mega conference, and become a true minor league. Then watch their support hit Memphis Redbird or Durham Bull levels.
With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
(09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote: [ -> ]With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
This 4 team playoff, all by invitation only, is the most stupid idea ever.
They are going to expand it or go to conference champions only or some variation of both very soon.
There will be 2 or 3 P5 conferences left out of this playoff. That won't last long.
(09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote: [ -> ]With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.
(09-09-2014 10:50 AM)AppManDG Wrote: [ -> ]My long time tailgate partner and friend goes to church with the AD of a ACC school. This Saturday he told me they had a discussion about the Power Five schools and what it meant to schools like App. The AD said there are basically 5 schools - Alabama, Florida, LSU, Ohio State and Michigan - who are pushing radical change and the rest simply want to have more control over how they can spend their money. He also said there are P5 AD's with budgets in the $90 to $100 million range saying they will not be able to balance their budgets if this handful of schools get their way. I got the impression he doesn't think the other P5 schools will let these few get out of line.
Yup. What's good for the very wealthiest athletic programs isn't going to be good for the vast majority of P5 teams.
If these seismic changes had any chance of happening they would've happened already.
(09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/
Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.
This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.
It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.
So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.
16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.
It looks like this will occur by 2022.
(09-09-2014 11:36 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote: [ -> ]With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.
Yep. That's exactly what's going on.
The 4 team playoff will definitely get expanded because more often than not, the Big 10 is gonna get left out in the cold. Let it happen a couple of times and then suddenly everyone from that conference will want the expansion just so that conference has a shot to get into the playoffs. The P5 will never be united because one of the 5 is always gonna get their underwear in a bunch.
(09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/
Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.
This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.
It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.
So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.
16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.
It looks this will occur by 2022.
If they were to go to Conference Championship games the conferences will change how those games are played. Such as getting rid of divisions and letting the two best in conference play for it. As it is now, in the SEC east a team could have 3 conference losses and 3 teams in the west with one conference loss. If they expand the playoffs to include conference championship winners, the conferences will make this change. It will simply be the best two in conference to play for the championship. When that happens, the SEC will go to 9 conference games and only 3 OOC games, something they are talking about now anyway.
(09-09-2014 11:48 AM)troy4ever Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:36 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote: [ -> ]With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.
Yep. That's exactly what's going on.
The 4 team playoff will definitely get expanded because more often than not, the Big 10 is gonna get left out in the cold. Let it happen a couple of times and then suddenly everyone from that conference will want the expansion just so that conference has a shot to get into the playoffs. The P5 will never be united because one of the 5 is always gonna get their underwear in a bunch.
I just cannot imagine the Big 10 agreeing to allow every conference a team in the playoff. My guess is that if it expanded it would expand to 6 with the top 2 getting a bye the first round with stipulations for those 6 teams that would favor the P5 and therefore the Big 10.
I could see a possible expansion to 8 teams. P5 conference champs and 3 at-large spots. Would love to see a it expanded to 16 with all FBS champs getting in and 6 at-large. Honestly no reason to go past 16 no matter the format.
(09-09-2014 12:05 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:48 AM)troy4ever Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:36 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote: [ -> ]With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.
Yep. That's exactly what's going on.
The 4 team playoff will definitely get expanded because more often than not, the Big 10 is gonna get left out in the cold. Let it happen a couple of times and then suddenly everyone from that conference will want the expansion just so that conference has a shot to get into the playoffs. The P5 will never be united because one of the 5 is always gonna get their underwear in a bunch.
I just cannot imagine the Big 10 agreeing to allow every conference a team in the playoff. My guess is that if it expanded it would expand to 6 with the top 2 getting a bye the first round with stipulations for those 6 teams that would favor the P5 and therefore the Big 10.
Six sounds right five champions and one at large.
The G5 with a theoretical chance at the at large bid.
(09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/
Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.
This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.
It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.
So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.
16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.
It looks this will occur by 2022.
I think the FCS has the best way to determine a champion. Hopefully, FBS will adopt something similar in the future. If they are so great, why not give the G-5 champions a chance to compete. Besides the 5 slots the P-5 automatically receive, in most likelihood the P-5 would fill the remaining 6-10 slots.
(09-09-2014 12:41 PM)MJG Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 12:05 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:48 AM)troy4ever Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:36 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:20 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote: [ -> ]With the Big 10 ( I can't bring myself to use the ridiculous B1G ) playing itself out of the playoff in the 2nd week,
they're probably not as keen on things today as when the season began.
You think 2-0 Penn State having their sanctions suddenly removed wasn't due to the fact that the Big 10 is suddenly on the outside looking in for the 4 team playoff with the terrible weekend? I don't. Big 10 isn't out yet now. What just happened with Penn State just further tells me certain conferences/people run everything. It will never be a fair system.
Yep. That's exactly what's going on.
The 4 team playoff will definitely get expanded because more often than not, the Big 10 is gonna get left out in the cold. Let it happen a couple of times and then suddenly everyone from that conference will want the expansion just so that conference has a shot to get into the playoffs. The P5 will never be united because one of the 5 is always gonna get their underwear in a bunch.
I just cannot imagine the Big 10 agreeing to allow every conference a team in the playoff. My guess is that if it expanded it would expand to 6 with the top 2 getting a bye the first round with stipulations for those 6 teams that would favor the P5 and therefore the Big 10.
Six sounds right five champions and one at large.
The G5 with a theoretical chance at the at large bid.
In theory yes, in reality, no, that would give the G5 no chance. By only taking the conference champs, it would leave room for that second team in a conference that didn't get to play in the championship game a way into the playoffs. Only when they go to 16 and allow all conference champs in will we get our chance. And with that they could require all conferences to go to a conference championship game, no matter the number in the conference. That would turn it into a 32 team playoff. Or get rid of the conference championship games all together and just put in regular season champ and at-large.
(09-09-2014 11:55 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/
Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.
This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.
It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.
So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.
16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.
It looks this will occur by 2022.
If they were to go to Conference Championship games the conferences will change how those games are played. Such as getting rid of divisions and letting the two best in conference play for it. As it is now, in the SEC east a team could have 3 conference losses and 3 teams in the west with one conference loss. If they expand the playoffs to include conference championship winners, the conferences will make this change. It will simply be the best two in conference to play for the championship. When that happens, the SEC will go to 9 conference games and only 3 OOC games, something they are talking about now anyway.
That would make sense. Just look at the ACC championship last year.
(09-09-2014 11:52 AM)panama Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 11:45 AM)FloridaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2014 10:54 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]There have been talks of a "Mega Conference" for years, like 35-40 years. Bear Bryant even talked about it. It would be 14-16 of the "power schools", including Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and the likes. We could be moving in that direction. I'm sure Texas and Oklahoma would be included in that.
http://bamahammer.com/2012/05/08/bear-br...-football/
Rumor has it that after the success of the Jets in Super Bowl III and the explosion in the popularity of college football, an NCAA subcomittee investigated the possibility of a college playoff around 1972. The subcommitte consisted of three, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, John McKay and a few others. The results indicated that instituting a college playoff would immediately bring in three times the money. However, Bryant pointed out that the money would have to be shared among everyone and enable minor and up and coming schools to compete with the big boys. The equalization of money would challenge the established schools. Therefore, they would do everything to hold off the playoff and increase the gap between the have and have nots. The first thing they did was realign the schools designate big boys from little boys in 1978 with Div 1A, 1AA, II and III.
This sort of worked until 1987 when actual #1 Miami played actual #2 Penn State which were both independent. The playoffs were born.
It eventually destroyed the bowl tie ends and forced the Bowl Coalition in 1992. Correspondingly, the SEC started its conference championship playoff in 1992 to ensure its champion would always be in contention to be selected for National Championship game. It has worked very well for SEC. Now the PAC 12, Big TEN, and ACC have instituted a 1st round playoff games called the Conference Championship games along with CUSA and MAC.
So now we have P5 autonomy. It is just the next line of defense in trying to maintain their dominance. Don't blame them but the all conference championship is coming. My guess is it will be the 8 highest ranked conference champions seeded in a playoff. Counting the Championship games it will be an defacto 16/20 team playoff.
16/20 >>> 10 conference champions.
It looks this will occur by 2022.
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Panama, are you referring to Ga State football considerations?