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If you went through college and didn't get drunk and have sex, I tip my cap to you.

actually, Im sorry you didn't get to experience it :)

(08-27-2014 04:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]If you went through college and didn't get drunk and have sex, I tip my cap to you.

actually, Im sorry you didn't get to experience it :)

I didn't. I just did what I paid 10's of 1000's of dollars to do. If someone else does, that's their prerogative. I'm not knocking it.

edit: Sometimes I am sorry I didn't experience it. haha

(08-27-2014 03:47 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:31 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:27 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]Yep.

Even if they did NOTHING wrong, look what happened. That's all I'm saying. That situation lends itself to issues and regrets and recriminations.

Yeah basically, don't put yourself in a situation for stuff like that to happen. I'm a college student. I know what college students do, but I don't put myself in a situation when I know that something could go wrong. So many kids don't think at all.

These posts are absolutely disgusting.

I'm honestly trying to figure out what's disgusting about saying that someone shouldn't put themselves in a bad situation in which bad stuff can happen? I'm not saying that either one of them is guilty if that's how it came across.

(08-27-2014 04:46 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]How did selling drugs earn a guy more points than murder and attempted murder???

Probably because it was 17 counts, so quantity tops quality.

(08-27-2014 03:47 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:31 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:27 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]Yep.

Even if they did NOTHING wrong, look what happened. That's all I'm saying. That situation lends itself to issues and regrets and recriminations.

Yeah basically, don't put yourself in a situation for stuff like that to happen. I'm a college student. I know what college students do, but I don't put myself in a situation when I know that something could go wrong. So many kids don't think at all.

These posts are absolutely disgusting.

Wait, what?

You clearly didn't understand what we wrote.

We said these guys should NOT pick up women, take them home, play drinking games, and have sex with them. That's disgusting?

What did you think we said?

(08-27-2014 05:40 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm honestly trying to figure out what's disgusting about saying that someone shouldn't put themselves in a bad situation in which bad stuff can happen? I'm not saying that either one of them is guilty if that's how it came across.

Yeah, it's a bit disconcerting that someone could so obviously misread what we said and then call those posters out.

(08-27-2014 07:58 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 03:47 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:31 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:27 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]Yep.

Even if they did NOTHING wrong, look what happened. That's all I'm saying. That situation lends itself to issues and regrets and recriminations.

Yeah basically, don't put yourself in a situation for stuff like that to happen. I'm a college student. I know what college students do, but I don't put myself in a situation when I know that something could go wrong. So many kids don't think at all.

These posts are absolutely disgusting.

Wait, what?

You clearly didn't understand what we wrote.

We said these guys should NOT pick up women, take them home, play drinking games, and have sex with them. That's disgusting?

What did you think we said?

All I'm saying is a large majority of our team and probably campus males do this.

Yep, two young gentlemen were wrongly accused of a felony and spent two years of their lives behind bars. All because a couple of girls felt guilty about their own behavior so they wanted to rationalize it in their own heads.

And you want take the opportunity to provide a lecture on how to avoid catching a false accusation. Pretty weak stuff. I misread nothing.

If they are indeed NOT guilty of any malicious acts, as the story seems to indicate, how can you feel anything other than sorrow for them?

(08-27-2014 07:58 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]We said these guys should NOT pick up women, take them home, play drinking games, and have sex with them. That's disgusting?

It's a terribly warped mindset. You are advocating avoiding consensual sex because you might be falsely accused of rape.

(08-27-2014 10:20 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, two young gentlemen were wrongly accused of a felony and spent two years of their lives behind bars. All because a couple of girls felt guilty about their own behavior so they wanted to rationalize it in their own heads.

And you want take the opportunity to provide a lecture on how to avoid catching a false accusation. Pretty weak stuff. I misread nothing.

If they are indeed NOT guilty of any malicious acts, as the story seems to indicate, how can you feel anything other than sorrow for them?

(08-27-2014 07:58 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]We said these guys should NOT pick up women, take them home, play drinking games, and have sex with them. That's disgusting?

It's a terribly warped mindset. You are advocating avoiding consensual sex because you might be falsely accused of rape.

Engaging in drinking games often leaves most, if not all participants legally drunk. You are suggesting that it is OK to get women you just met drunk and have consensual sex with them. The problem with that, aside from it being wrong IMO, is that drunk women cannot legally grant consent. I'm talking about non-established relationships with strangers when I say that a man taking advantage of such a situation is leaving himself wide open to criminal sexual charges. Call it weak, but it is also foolish at best.

This is some of the most sexist BS I've ever read.

In today's society, women are more than capable of getting drunk and doing dumb things exactly like guys do. This isn't the 1950's......hookup culture is real and there isn't much that's going to change that.

Trying to put the blame on guys only for getting drunk with girls and hooking up with them is absurd in this day and age.

None of us knows exactly what happened and never will be judging anyone involved without all the facts is just flat out dumb.

(08-27-2014 03:47 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:31 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 01:27 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]Yep.

Even if they did NOTHING wrong, look what happened. That's all I'm saying. That situation lends itself to issues and regrets and recriminations.

Yeah basically, don't put yourself in a situation for stuff like that to happen. I'm a college student. I know what college students do, but I don't put myself in a situation when I know that something could go wrong. So many kids don't think at all.

These posts are absolutely disgusting.

Agreed. Willing to bet that if it was their sister/daughter in that situation they wouldn't be saying this.

If the only way you can get someone to sleep with you is by getting them WBW then you have no business trying to have sex with them

This is actually a very good discussion, just not necessarily sports or ODU related. However, I tend to agree with Razor's comments that equality of the sexes also means equality of responsibility for the situations one puts themselves in.

This comment from the article, "According to Amanda Howie, a spokeswoman for the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office, chemical tests done at the hospital showed no sign of a drug that would have caused the women to be physically incapacitated." is pretty damning for the prosecution, and that is what we all heard right after the arrests were made.

If they committed no crime, a misdemeanor conviction is a crappy deal, especially because they are related to sexual assault. However, they and their attorney may have decided that while a bad deal, better than rolling the dice on the felony charges. Tough decision, and one I hope nobody here would have to face.

But the point that because the girl claimed somethining, and part of that claim could not be substantiated by evidence, is enough for a charges to be dismissed "beyond a reasonable doubt........"

Best of luck for the girls and the accused to move on with their lives, putting this incident behind them.

(08-28-2014 06:21 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Willing to bet that if it was their sister/daughter in that situation they wouldn't be saying this.

If the only way you can get someone to sleep with you is by getting them WBW then you have no business trying to have sex with them

Which post are you agreeing with?

Two people said it's a shame this happened, because, and here's the kicker NO ONE KNOWS WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU MIX YOUNG PEOPLE, ALCOHOL, AND SEX. And because of that people need to be very aware of what is happening because (and again this is key) YOU NEVER KNOW HOW THAT OTHER PERSON IS GOING TO REACT THE DAY AFTER.

Then someone said that was "disgusting" because I was saying to be anti-social. Because the only 2 choices are to be anti-social or to end up like these kids. My strawman alert was going off.

You then quoted the "disgusting" post and said you agreed and said if they had sisters and daughters they wouldn't be saying this.

I have both--and I sure as hell tell them to be aware of what is going on and I also have a son and I tell him that you need to always be in control of what's going on because you don't know how people you just met are going to react. Especially when they're drunk.

I have no idea what happened--if they did it, I could care less what happens to them. But the part some posters seem to be missing is this: if they didn't do it I feel horrendously bad about it, because they were in a situation where it doesn't matter what they say, that the courts believed the accusers. And that sucks. And because of that people need to be careful about what situations they put themselves into.

That's all. How someone can interpret that as a shot at the players, I'm not sure. To each his own.

(08-27-2014 11:16 PM)paintedblue Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2014 10:20 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, two young gentlemen were wrongly accused of a felony and spent two years of their lives behind bars. All because a couple of girls felt guilty about their own behavior so they wanted to rationalize it in their own heads.

And you want take the opportunity to provide a lecture on how to avoid catching a false accusation. Pretty weak stuff. I misread nothing.

If they are indeed NOT guilty of any malicious acts, as the story seems to indicate, how can you feel anything other than sorrow for them?

(08-27-2014 07:58 PM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]We said these guys should NOT pick up women, take them home, play drinking games, and have sex with them. That's disgusting?

It's a terribly warped mindset. You are advocating avoiding consensual sex because you might be falsely accused of rape.

Engaging in drinking games often leaves most, if not all participants legally drunk. You are suggesting that it is OK to get women you just met drunk and have consensual sex with them. The problem with that, aside from it being wrong IMO, is that drunk women cannot legally grant consent. I'm talking about non-established relationships with strangers when I say that a man taking advantage of such a situation is leaving himself wide open to criminal sexual charges. Call it weak, but it is also foolish at best.

"Getting the women drunk" Nothing in that story says that these guys forced the women to drink anything.