The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid.
He said his conference likely would cease to exist and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it.
If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
I know that this is about amateurism and paying players, and not about the college football playoff, but that article makes me roll my eyes because it reminds me that Delaney thinks the Rose Bowl is the most important thing in the world.
Delaney sure isn't shy about saying what's on his mind, is he?
(06-21-2014 08:08 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid. He said his conference likely would cease to exist and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it. If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
As an attorney, how does the use of the word "likely" mitigate the possibility of a perjury charge?
Rose Bowl....fans of college football don't really care about the Rose Bowl...these old farts need to get out and let some young guys in that can move college football forward.
(06-21-2014 08:46 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:08 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid. He said his conference likely would cease to exist and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it. If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
As an attorney, how does the use of the word "likely" mitigate the possibility of a perjury charge?
Nobody is going to charge Jim Delany with perjury. That usually is saved for politicians and poor people without attorneys. :)
Jim is not officially the first and is definitely not the second.
(06-21-2014 08:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: [ -> ]Rose Bowl....fans of college football don't really care about the Rose Bowl...these old farts need to get out and let some young guys in that can move college football forward.
Fans of the Big 10 and Pac 12 care a lot about the Rose Bowl. Your statement is an opinion.
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(06-21-2014 09:11 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: [ -> ]Rose Bowl....fans of college football don't really care about the Rose Bowl...these old farts need to get out and let some young guys in that can move college football forward.
Fans of the Big 10 and Pac 12 care a lot about the Rose Bowl. Your statement is an opinion.
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Those are about it, I think.
(06-21-2014 09:21 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 09:11 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: [ -> ]Rose Bowl....fans of college football don't really care about the Rose Bowl...these old farts need to get out and let some young guys in that can move college football forward.
Fans of the Big 10 and Pac 12 care a lot about the Rose Bowl. Your statement is an opinion.
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Those are about it, I think.
Yes, but that is a good percentage of college sports fans.
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Jim Delaney really meant he couldn't see some league members agreeing to it. You know PSU, UM, MSU, OSU, UNL and UW would all pay players if it had to be done.
(06-21-2014 08:08 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid. He said his conference likely would cease to exist and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it. If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
Is he suggesting (with a straight face) that if Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Wisconsin and Nebraska decided to go along with the NCAA regarding payments to players, that the remaining eight schools would kick them out? First, I don't think that's enough votes left to do it, which means the other schools would have to walk away from the B1G. In that case, just as with a divorce, who gets custody of the kids (like the CIC)?
Or is he suggesting that it's the Indianas and illinois' of the league who would want to do the paying, and would risk expulsion to do it?
Come on, Jim. Who are you kidding?
(06-21-2014 10:10 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]Jim Delaney really meant he couldn't see some league members agreeing to it. You know PSU, UM, MSU, OSU, UNL and UW would all pay players if it had to be done.
Wisconsin would not agree to it. They're well-known for being the cheapest school in the Big 10. The only school even close it Purdue.
I wouldn't count on the Michigan schools either. The votes are cast by presidents, not fans.
Ohio State might, but not if Michigan opposes it. OSU already has an inferiority complex about Michigan's academics; they don't want to add fuel to that fire.
And anyways, Delaney's point isn't that all schools would reject paying players. All that would have to happen is if the majority rejected it, because then they could (and probably would) vote against any motion allowing it. On such a high-profile issue they won't even bring it up for a vote unless it's going to be a near-unanimous vote anyways. I think it's pretty clear that a majority would reject paying players.
When I hear comments by P5 conference commissioners regarding issues that have the potential for fundamentally changing the landscape of college athletics, I can't help but wonder how much their views are influenced by their age. By the time the current media contacts and GoRs expire, it's likely that four of the five will be ready to retire.
Mike Slive (SEC) is 73. Not far behind are Jim Delaney (B1G, 66), John Swofford (ACC, 65) and Bob Bowsby (Big 12, 62). Do these guys want to spend their remaining years in office in a cycle of litigating and appealing, or would they rather spend them consolidating the impressive financial gains they have so recently achieved?
If a full ride and free education are not enough payment then don't participate in college athletics. There are plenty of others who would leap at that "unsatisfactory" arrangement.
(06-21-2014 09:57 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 09:21 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 09:11 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:59 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: [ -> ]Rose Bowl....fans of college football don't really care about the Rose Bowl...these old farts need to get out and let some young guys in that can move college football forward.
Fans of the Big 10 and Pac 12 care a lot about the Rose Bowl. Your statement is an opinion.
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Those are about it, I think.
Yes, but that is a good percentage of college sports fans.
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Yes, the Rose Bowl is absolutely important to the Big 10 and Pac-12. Those conferences and the Rose Bowl itself were the last holdouts for changes to the BCS and the CFP which they needed some guarantee they still would some acceptable compromises.
Those two conferences would not mind if all they play for was the Rose Bowl.
(06-21-2014 10:33 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:08 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid. He said his conference likely would cease to exist and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it. If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
Is he suggesting (with a straight face) that if Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Wisconsin and Nebraska decided to go along with the NCAA regarding payments to players, that the remaining eight schools would kick them out? First, I don't think that's enough votes left to do it, which means the other schools would have to walk away from the B1G. In that case, just as with a divorce, who gets custody of the kids (like the CIC)?
Or is he suggesting that it's the Indianas and illinois' of the league who would want to do the paying, and would risk expulsion to do it?
Come on, Jim. Who are you kidding?
Yes, he is serious. The Big 10 and Pac-12 care about their academic image and if they are view as semi-pro institution which tarnish's the view of being a highly academic institution, they have no problem of reducing the conference size or just opting out of the CFB and coordinating with each other to just play for the Rose Bowl. They have stated that if 'employee' status still holds and they have to pay players, they will go to a different model. Stanford Univ. is pretty dead serious regarding to go to a different model. And I know other PAC 12 schools will follow as well as quite a few Big 12 schools.
(06-21-2014 08:46 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:08 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid. He said his conference likely would cease to exist and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it. If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
As an attorney, how does the use of the word "likely" mitigate the possibility of a perjury charge?
Because he's giving an opinion about the likelihood of a future event, it might be hard to prove the element of intent. That is, that he knowingly said something false. You'd have to prove he actually thought it was "likely", whatever that is. Maybe if he was on record under oath somewhere else as saying he thought that would never happen, you could use that.
(06-21-2014 02:58 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 10:33 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (06-21-2014 08:08 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]The head of the Big Ten painted a dire picture Friday of what college sports would look like if players were paid. He said his conference likely would cease to exist[b] and the Rose Bowl probably would not be played.
Jim Delany said the idea of paying players goes against the entire college experience and he couldn't see league members agreeing to it.[b] If some did, he said, they likely would be kicked out of the conference because the move would create an imbalance among schools that could not be resolved.
(I am certain that he totally believes that and is telling the court the truth about that, as well.) :)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nnon-trial
Is he suggesting (with a straight face) that if Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, Wisconsin and Nebraska decided to go along with the NCAA regarding payments to players, that the remaining eight schools would kick them out? First, I don't think that's enough votes left to do it, which means the other schools would have to walk away from the B1G. In that case, just as with a divorce, who gets custody of the kids (like the CIC)?
Or is he suggesting that it's the Indianas and illinois' of the league who would want to do the paying, and would risk expulsion to do it?
Come on, Jim. Who are you kidding?
Yes, he is serious. The Big 10 and Pac-12 care about their academic image and if they are view as semi-pro institution which tarnish's the view of being a highly academic institution, they have no problem of reducing the conference size or just opting out of the CFB and coordinating with each other to just play for the Rose Bowl. They have stated that if 'employee' status still holds and they have to pay players, they will go to a different model. Stanford Univ. is pretty dead serious regarding to go to a different model. And I know other PAC 12 schools will follow as well as quite a few Big 12 schools.
The bolded statements are somewhat self-contradictory. If enough B1G schools opted to go along with other NCAA schools and increase player compensation from its current level that it would cause the entire conference to cease to exist, that seems to be prima facie evidence that they aren't as committed to their academic image as they currently claim. I don't doubt that image is very important to most B1G schools. If, instead, only one or two schools, say Ohio State and Nebraska, took a contrary view, all that would happen is that league membership would drop to 12.
I could also see the possibility that those remaining schools could also have sufficient numbers and clout that they could ally with like minded schools in the PAC and the ACC and leave the SEC and Big 12 on a relatively small island. I think Delaney's comments aren't directed toward the judge, but rather toward those conferences. At least a few of their presidents might not want to embrace an image that puts football so clearly ahead of academics.
If you were the president of Florida or Kansas, which side would you want to be on?
(06-21-2014 03:54 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]If you were the president of Florida or Kansas, which side would you want to be on?
They want to be on the side of the top research universities, but if any Kansas chancellor ever jeopardized the status of their basketball program in order to side with the elite universities on academic issues, I think that chancellor would be ousted.
What if there was a move among P5 schools that are truly interested in their academic image to break away from the NCAA and form their own governing body based on tougher academic standards? How many of the ACC, B1G and PAC 12 schools would be willing to do this? And then how many other schools from the SEC, Big 12, AAC and MWC would be willing to join them?
I'm afraid the number from the first three wouldn't be great enough to attract the top academic schools from the other conferences to join them in embracing more rigorous academic reforms in athletics. I think it's just lip service for a lot of those schools, and I doubt they'd have the courage to try to drag the football factories with them.
I believe that if you could get just 50 of the top 80 schools to go along, and to refuse to play with the ones who don't go along, people wouldn't be inclined to recognize the winner of a 30 team semi-pro league as the national collegiate champion. Then, the Alabamas and LSUs would have to make a choice.
Just for kicks, which B1G schools would choose the academic route, and which the semi-pro route? How about the ACC and PAC 12?