[b] ACC aims to send power conference statement
League wants more bids to NCAA Tournament, rather than last year
There are some hilarious quotes in that article! I love it that the ACC admits they have an organized effort to extend the front claws and try to scratch other leagues. They are truly backed into a corner. Its great that the MVC and ACC have started this public back and forth jab, with the MVC coaches winning by a mile!
Who can't like Gary Williams being called to the carpet for lying as well! How's that chicken wing Gary? lmfao
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They are so arrogant, they just can't understand that someone else just MIGHT be good. The ACC isn't the king of basketball anymore, everybody but they seem to understand this. But it's kindof fun reading about their whining about how they don't get adquate respect.
Begging for a NCAA Tournament bid, whether they deserve it or not, before the season even starts. So sad. And pathetic.
cuseroc Wrote:"We need to walk out of here and send a message," Virginia Tech Coach Seth Greenberg said. "Everyone is taking shots at the ACC. 
We're like the Yankees, either you love them or hate them. No one is neutral."
Not only is the ACC whining but they let the wrong person do the whining. When is the last time Seth Greenberg went to the NCAA Tournament or even had a good team for that matter?
cuseroc Wrote:"I kind of like that," Missouri State Coach Barry Hinson said. "What's great about 'Revenge of the Nerds' is that the nerds ended up winning. Last thing I know, they left with all the hot chicks."
Barry Hinson is funny. He easily comes off as the wittiest coach interviewed in this article. I hope he doesn't get in trouble with some PC people for saying chicks, instead of women.
cuseroc Wrote:"You can't worry about people laughing at you," Williams said. "That's why, when I say we should get six or seven teams in, what does that cost me? Nothing. People said, 'He's crazy.' Well, people have said that before, so it doesn't matter. You've got to put that idea out there because it sets the [bar]. One thing we know we can do is be more aggressive in publicizing the conference."
Let me try to understand this again. Gary Williams is saying the the ACC isn't publicized enough? For goodness sakes. ESPN has been nothing but an ACC commercial for three years.
cuseroc Wrote:Williams said he did not consider scheduling a MVC school. He also called the claim that virtually all MVC schools had called ACC schools looking to schedule game more "urban legend."
"Is that not awesome?" Hinson said, laughing. "My gosh. That's so funny. I'll provide a record of our phone logs if you need them. That's absolutely ridiculous."
Barry Hinson strikes again. Gary Williams is getting called out here, point blank, as a liar. Did he not think his quote would get back to the MVC? Or does he even care. He is caught.
cuseroc Wrote:During the ACC's media gathering last month, Williams repeatedly talked about the need to expand the tournament because there are more teams around the country capable of deep runs. When someone finally interrupted to ask how much the field should be expanded, Williams flashed a smile and said, "Just enough so we get in."
So now the truth comes out. Gary Williams and his colleagues don't care about anything but getting into the NCAA Tournament, deserved or not. I do agree with expanding to 68 though.
I find it funny that we have an entire article with the ACC and MVC going toe to toe. I'm sure the ACC never anticipated this restlt of expansion.
How do the ACC coaches think this is going to look to recruits. They spend the whole article in a cat fight with the MVC....not the Big East, or the Big Ten or SEC. They are fighting to keep up with the MVC. If I were a coach in any conference (but especially the MVC) this article would be the first thing I showed any recruit considering an ACC team.
.....I'm scratching my head at this one...why would the ACC pick the Missiouri Valley to attack? From what I have seen they play some pretty good hoops there. I wonder why a few ACC teams don't schedule a home and home with a MVC team or two...those games would be more competitve then the folks on Tobacco Road think
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Jackson1011 Wrote: .....I'm scratching my head at this one...why would the ACC pick the Missiouri Valley to attack?
Whoa, boys. You're running a little too far now.
Reread the article. The ACC isn't "attacking" anyone in particular here. The writer brings up the MVC for comparison and uses some quotes from Williams and Hinson that were made during/shortly after the last tournament. And only Williams' quotes can be construed as attack oriented, otherwise it's largely the author's interpretation of things.
Do I agree the ACC needs more promotion? Hardly, and I regret this approach coming off as unecessarily alarmist. But I know many a fan on these boards feels there are teams within the BE that are underappreciated by pollsters, national media, etc. Appears the ACC feels the same in regards to the realigned basketball conference.
BTW, does anyone else recall Jim Boeheim also voicing his support for a larger playoff field? Someone from the BE, after Cincy's snub, mentioned how the field of D1 teams has expanded quite a bit since the field was increased to 64. Thought it was Jimmy B.
GunnerFan Wrote:But I know many a fan on these boards feels there are teams within the BE that are underappreciated by pollsters, national media, etc. Appears the ACC feels the same in regards to the realigned basketball conference.
Yes, but the key difference is the Big East can back it up in regards to the season they are defensive about. BE football is rated #2 by Sagarin right now and is #2 or #3 in every rating system, yet gets hit by the media in some aspects.
On the otherhand, ACC basketball doesn't have the numbers on their side as to last season. They simply were weak when it came to depth, and whether the middle teams deserved bids.
UC had a better argument for inclusion than any snubbed ACC team had. While UC fans threw what I feel was a deserved hissy fit on internet boards, the BE didn't come out publicly like the ACC did. Here's the numbers though, and keep in mind none made the NCAA.
UC- 18-12 (8-8), 40 RPI, 5 SOS
Maryland- 18-12 (8-8), 49 RPI, 14 SOS
FSU- 19-9 (9-7), 63 RPI, 94 SOS (#316 OOC SOS, only 7 of 28 games against RPI top 75)
The ACC makes a legit argument that Air Force did not deserve a bid in any reasonable way, but that doesn't solve their problem b/c FSU & Maryland quite likely weren't even the last teams left out. 9-7 is normally enough in the ACC, but not with FSU's profile. As for the ACC as a whole, only 6 of the 12 ACC teams were Top 75 RPI (11 of 15 Big East teams were for comparison).
CatsClaw Wrote:Begging for a NCAA Tournament bid, whether they deserve it or not, before the season even starts. So sad. And pathetic.
Yea, pathetic. They should be like Cincinnati last year and wait until the season is over before the whining and begging starts. That's much less pathetic.
I'm certainly not arguing the ACC deserved more bids last year, but what I think you're seeing is the BCS-ization of basketball. More and more of the bigger leagues are wanting to tout the conference schedule as carrying more weight, automatically raising the SOS of the BE, B10 and others beyond the already favorable treatment they get from the polls. The SEC is jumping on board this bandwagon now that someone other than Kentucky appears poised for basketball success. And it's pretty easy to see why folks from Cincy feel they were jobbed last season. So, is this attempt to amend the polling/RPI system a doubling up or a justifiable correction? I can't say, but given the automatic berths given to so many conferences I think it's going to be a tough sell either way.
Latest whimsy idea I heard had the NIT taking over the Field of 64 (or larger) duties for general entertainment purposes while the chase for the National title is laid out as a tournament featuring only conference champions. This would allow the NIT to pick more big names and hot teams without unduly punishing the little guys at their chance for the national championship.
GunnerFan Wrote:Latest whimsy idea I heard had the NIT taking over the Field of 64 (or larger) duties for general entertainment purposes while the chase for the National title is laid out as a tournament featuring only conference champions.
Worst. Idea. Ever.
Thankfully that won't be happening for ages at the earliest.
cardtopper Wrote:How do the ACC coaches think this is going to look to recruits. They spend the whole article in a cat fight with the MVC....not the Big East, or the Big Ten or SEC. They are fighting to keep up with the MVC. If I were a coach in any conference (but especially the MVC) this article would be the first thing I showed any recruit considering an ACC team.
Remember the ACC fans laughing when the MWC was coming after us? Now this! God the irony is so beautiful. . .
CollegeCard Wrote:GunnerFan Wrote:But I know many a fan on these boards feels there are teams within the BE that are underappreciated by pollsters, national media, etc. Appears the ACC feels the same in regards to the realigned basketball conference.
Yes, but the key difference is the Big East can back it up in regards to the season they are defensive about. BE football is rated #2 by Sagarin right now and is #2 or #3 in every rating system, yet gets hit by the media in some aspects.
On the otherhand, ACC basketball doesn't have the numbers on their side as to last season. They simply were weak when it came to depth, and whether the middle teams deserved bids.
UC had a better argument for inclusion than any snubbed ACC team had. While UC fans threw what I feel was a deserved hissy fit on internet boards, the BE didn't come out publicly like the ACC did. Here's the numbers though, and keep in mind none made the NCAA.
UC- 18-12 (8-8), 40 RPI, 5 SOS
Maryland- 18-12 (8-8), 49 RPI, 14 SOS
FSU- 19-9 (9-7), 63 RPI, 94 SOS (#316 OOC SOS, only 7 of 28 games against RPI top 75)
The ACC makes a legit argument that Air Force did not deserve a bid in any reasonable way, but that doesn't solve their problem b/c FSU & Maryland quite likely weren't even the last teams left out. 9-7 is normally enough in the ACC, but not with FSU's profile. As for the ACC as a whole, only 6 of the 12 ACC teams were Top 75 RPI (11 of 15 Big East teams were for comparison).
DING, DING, DING! Somebody give that man a cigar!
3601 Wrote:CatsClaw Wrote:Begging for a NCAA Tournament bid, whether they deserve it or not, before the season even starts. So sad. And pathetic.
Yea, pathetic. They should be like Cincinnati last year and wait until the season is over before the whining and begging starts. That's much less pathetic.
Ummm, show me where we BEGGED for an NCAA Tournament bid? Hearing voices in your head again? We were robbed of an NCAA Tournament bid and, unlike the ACC does right now, actually had a resume to prove it. There was no begging for an NCAA Tournament bid, and we weren't whining for something that we didn't earn. Whether they deserve it or not (and we won't know until the end of the season), it's pathetic to try and steal someone's NCAA Tournament bid before the first ball has been tipped. Even you know that 3601. Then again, you're just bitching at me not about Cincinnati, so carry on 3601. The irony though, is that you and other Memphis fans thought you were robbed of an NCAA Tournament bid in 2002 and let everyone under the sun know it, including Calipari making noise nationally. But we won't mention that. . .
CatsClaw Wrote:3601 Wrote:CatsClaw Wrote:Begging for a NCAA Tournament bid, whether they deserve it or not, before the season even starts. So sad. And pathetic.
Yea, pathetic. They should be like Cincinnati last year and wait until the season is over before the whining and begging starts. That's much less pathetic.
Ummm, show me where we BEGGED for an NCAA Tournament bid? Hearing voices in your head again? We were robbed of an NCAA Tournament bid and, unlike the ACC does right now, actually had a resume to prove it. There was no begging for an NCAA Tournament bid, and we weren't whining for something that we didn't earn. Whether they deserve it or not (and we won't know until the end of the season), it's pathetic to try and steal someone's NCAA Tournament bid before the first ball has been tipped. Even you know that 3601. Then again, you're just bitching at me not about Cincinnati, so carry on 3601. The irony though, is that you and other Memphis fans thought you were robbed of an NCAA Tournament bid in 2002 and let everyone under the sun know it, including Calipari making noise nationally. But we won't mention that. . .
3601, to add to Cat's Claw's point, just because we whined, doesn't mean we didn't have a point that could be backed up rock solid. You provide an argument that ADEQUATELY convinces us that UC didn't deserve a bid, and we'll shut up.
CatsClaw Wrote:3601 Wrote:CatsClaw Wrote:Begging for a NCAA Tournament bid, whether they deserve it or not, before the season even starts. So sad. And pathetic.
Yea, pathetic. They should be like Cincinnati last year and wait until the season is over before the whining and begging starts. That's much less pathetic.
Ummm, show me where we BEGGED for an NCAA Tournament bid? Hearing voices in your head again? We were robbed of an NCAA Tournament bid and, unlike the ACC does right now, actually had a resume to prove it. There was no begging for an NCAA Tournament bid, and we weren't whining for something that we didn't earn. Whether they deserve it or not (and we won't know until the end of the season), it's pathetic to try and steal someone's NCAA Tournament bid before the first ball has been tipped. Even you know that 3601. Then again, you're just bitching at me not about Cincinnati, so carry on 3601. The irony though, is that you and other Memphis fans thought you were robbed of an NCAA Tournament bid in 2002 and let everyone under the sun know it, including Calipari making noise nationally. But we won't mention that. . .
1. You should know not to take everything I post too seriously. However, I do remember certain folks raising hell and saying the field should be expanded last year because Cincy got left out.
2. I said it in March 2002 and I'll say it again now. Memphis didn't deserve an NCAA bid in 2002. We didn't have one single quality win that season. A small percentage of Memphis fans thought we deserved one in 2002, but the majority of the fans on the Memphis board agreed that we weren't unfairly left out in 2002. Cal made a lot of noise and said that we deserved one in 2002, but that's his job to say that.
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