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He makes some good points


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Makes a good argument. I am beginning to think Army will join, and Aresco is wooing BYU. I can see this happening in the next few years probably when BYU's contract is done with ESPN.


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Quasi-related as we're talking about building our conference... I didn't want to start a new thread, but I just got done listening to Sirius Col Sprts Nation over lunch. Those guys, pretty much taking the P5 'side', made comments like the P5 are 'all' high-visibility schools; that 'no one' in the GoF really rises to that level. The Go5 don't need to worry, as the access bowl slot protects them.

Lot of BS I really did not agree with, but I'm sure if I called and argued the UCF, Uconn, Boise success points they would have just laughed.

What a situation with so many P5 'hangers on' riding on about 20 schools coat-tails, and so many really good programs in the GoF being left out. Too bad....

You can have BYU...maybe they'll do 'The Project' with the AAC as they did with the WAC. BYU isn't coming to the MWC after that stunt they tried to pull.

Besides, Army is better from a TV perspective along with UMASS if they get rolling. However, I can see if Army comes along then the Air Force my want a football only invite to the AAC. The MW can pick up either NMSU or Tx. State.

(06-02-2014 01:11 PM)Bull Wrote: [ -> ]Quasi-related as we're talking about building our conference... I didn't want to start a new thread, but I just got done listening to Sirius Col Sprts Nation over lunch. Those guys, pretty much taking the P5 'side', made comments like the P5 are 'all' high-visibility schools; that 'no one' in the GoF really rises to that level. The Go5 don't need to worry, as the access bowl slot protects them.

Lot of BS I really did not agree with, but I'm sure if I called and argued the UCF, Uconn, Boise success points they would have just laughed.

What a situation with so many P5 'hangers on' riding on about 20 schools coat-tails, and so many really good programs in the GoF being left out. Too bad....

It's real sickening to see some of the media types turn into lap dogs for Delany and Slive

Great article.

American and BYU have a lot in common. They need each other

Good find. I don't think it's going to happen, but he makes some good points.

I figured the article would be complete junk but I was very impressed. I think the guy nailed the reasons why it could happen and honestly I wasn't aware that BYU didn't have Access to the Access bowl as an Indy. I just assumed they were written in like Notre Dame was the BCS. That's got to be the key and driving point.

Quote: 5) Access to the New Year’s Six
Under the current arrangement, BYU’s chances of playing in a New Year’s Day bowl game are practically zero. If they join the AAC, those chances skyrocket exponentially as one non-Power Five conference team is guaranteed a berth every year. If BYU won the AAC, they’d have a very good chance of playing in the Cotton or Fiesta Bowl. That’s better than the Poinsettia Bowl.

That's huge. I also think BYU's situation parallels the old La Tech situation in the WAC. Just look how reluctant La Tech was to join program like ULL, and ULM, even if it meant spurning a very regional conference because of what it would do to their brand and overall rep. It would just be a step back so they would rather fly to Hawaii than lower themselves to get in bed beside of local losers like ULL and ULM. I think BYU and their fans feels the exact same about Utah State and a lot of these other programs in the MWC now and it certainly makes more sense for them to fly east as a national school.

I can't believe a top 10 BYU, with the fans & TV #'s are left out of access bowls
ESPN & bowls are gonna have imput also on bids

(06-02-2014 03:51 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe a top 10 BYU, with the fans & TV #'s are left out of access bowls
ESPN & bowls are gonna have imput also on bids

Maybe not in the top 10, but there are probably going to be some years where boarderline top 25 schools from the G5 get the bid for the access bowl. I doubt the G5 is going to have top 10 schools every year. It might be nice to not have to get in the top 10 just to get in the conversation.

This is an encouraging article. Good to see the AAC thinking ahead. The Big 12 might very well rob UC and Memphis one day to make 12 teams and get new territories. ACC might then take BYU, Army and AirForce football only, with maybe New Mexico/UNLV/SDSU all-sports to make 14(10 all-sports) and a promising, competitive conference. I would love to see the BYU football add.

(06-02-2014 02:30 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Good find. I don't think it's going to happen, but he makes some good points.

I don't think it's going to happen right now, but check back in a few years. This isn't over yet.

One thing that is clear: BYU and the AAC have already begun cooperating, and are going to cooperate a lot more as the new era in college football unfolds. Whether that leads to formal conference membership or not, time will tell.

(06-02-2014 04:31 PM)AusTxPony Wrote: [ -> ]This is an encouraging article. Good to see the AAC thinking ahead. The Big 12 might very well rob UC and Memphis one day to make 12 teams and get new territories.

If Big XII expands with teams that are Not in the Pac12, B1G, SEC, or ACC, then it is a virtual guarantee that BYU will be next on their list.

I think BYU and Army end up in a conference sooner rather than later (announcement inside of 18 months playing their first game as a member inside of 36 months) or run the real risk of slipping into irrelevancy and that’s something neither institution can afford to do for more than just football reasons.

I see posts about BYU holding out for a Big 12 invitation IF (and it’s a big if) they expand. What’s to keep BYU from joining the AAC or MWC and then leaving and paying the exit fee before even playing a game in the conference if the Big 12 comes calling? Five million to them is nothing when you look at what they make from each televised game now, and if it came down to that I’m sure the Big 12 would assist with exit fees. It’s not like they would be locked into the AAC if they joined, the precedent has been set with TCU, Boise and SDSU, its not like they would be doing something new.

I am a strong proponent of the BYU-AAC affiliation. I have really enjoyed the recent BYU matchups with UCF and Houston. Competitive and exciting games. But, I think the blogger skips over important details and jumps to some ill-informed conclusions, just to make his arguments. But whatever...

Some of the main reasons that support a BYU-AAC affiliation actually go against BYU joining the AAC completely as a full-time member (even if football only):

#2 - ESPN loves BYU, tolerates the AAC. ESPN is way more interested in controlling BYU's home games against Texas, USC, Stanford, Utah, Wisconsin, etc., etc. than it is about controlling BYU's road games at Memphis and Tulane. Through an affiliation, ESPN gets BYU-UConn, BYU-Houston, BYU-UCF, etc. but also still gets BYU-Boise St., BYU-Fresno St., BYU-Utah, BYU-Wisconsin, etc.

#3 - BYU needs good November games. This is true. 2014 looks weak, especially with the FCS game. But even with the weak 2014 November home schedule, UNLV is a former regional rival and California is a PAC 12 opponent. Here's a list of some of BYU's November opponents in 2013 and for the next several seasons:

Wisconsin
Notre Dame (still 4 games contracted - likely to be played in November)
Fresno St. (decent regional rival)
Hawaii (old time rival)
Utah St. (rivalry game played over Thanksgiving weekend)
Cincinnati (without BYU's full AAC membership)
Utah (the Holy War)
Stanford
USC

The point is, the AAC AFFILIATION helps BYU get good November games. Conference membership actually gets in the way of November games like USC, Stanford, Notre Dame, Utah, Utah St., etc.

#6 - AAC can provide BYU the national schedule it craves. True. However, BYU is looking for a national schedule with variation. It does not want to be tied to Tulane, Memphis, and Tulsa every year. With the loose affiliation, BYU can visit Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Cincinnati, and ECU in October and November (as already scheduled through 2017) without tying up 8 games every season. As an independent, BYU can also visit Stanford, USC, Arizona, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Notre Dame in October and November.

#8 - Army may need a landing spot too. While I think BYU would like to play Army and Navy, I'm not sure adding Army to the AAC does much to move the needle for "BYU to the AAC". The AAC's better play is to go after both Army and Air Force. You could bring the Commander-In-Chief trophy in house! From a branding perspective, that is a perfect fit for the American conference! With Air Force in the AAC, it might be worth looking to see if BYU is interested...or if it makes sense to go after a bigger western expansion....ie, BYU, Boise St., San Diego St.

#9 - They cannot crack the Power Five without each other. It is much easier for BYU to crack the P5 by itself, simply because an independent can join a conference without much baggage. The AAC resources and facilities will need to dramatically improve, and quickly, to keep up with the P5. And, AAC teams like Central Florida, Connecticut, and Cincinnati are primary P5 targets for further expansion. BYU knows this. If a Big 12 invite ever comes, it will likely also include Cincinnati and/or Central Florida. I think BYU would like to be affiliated with these schools, but without being adversely overly-restricted to the AAC.

(06-02-2014 05:15 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]I am a strong proponent of the BYU-AAC affiliation. I have really enjoyed the recent BYU matchups with UCF and Houston. Competitive and exciting games. But, I think the blogger skips over important details and jumps to some ill-informed conclusions, just to make his arguments. But whatever...

Some of the main reasons that support a BYU-AAC affiliation actually go against BYU joining the AAC completely as a full-time member (even if football only):

#2 - ESPN loves BYU, tolerates the AAC. ESPN is way more interested in controlling BYU's home games against Texas, USC, Stanford, Utah, Wisconsin, etc., etc. than it is about controlling BYU's road games at Memphis and Tulane. Through an affiliation, ESPN gets BYU-UConn, BYU-Houston, BYU-UCF, etc. but also still gets BYU-Boise St., BYU-Fresno St., BYU-Utah, BYU-Wisconsin, etc.

#3 - BYU needs good November games. This is true. 2014 looks weak, especially with the FCS game. But even with the weak 2014 November home schedule, UNLV is a former regional rival and California is a PAC 12 opponent. Here's a list of some of BYU's November opponents in 2013 and for the next several seasons:

Wisconsin
Notre Dame (still 4 games contracted - likely to be played in November)
Fresno St. (decent regional rival)
Hawaii (old time rival)
Utah St. (rivalry game played over Thanksgiving weekend)
Cincinnati (without BYU's full AAC membership)
Utah (the Holy War)
Stanford
USC

The point is, the AAC AFFILIATION helps BYU get good November games. Conference membership actually gets in the way of November games like USC, Stanford, Notre Dame, Utah, Utah St., etc.

#6 - AAC can provide BYU the national schedule it craves. True. However, BYU is looking for a national schedule with variation. It does not want to be tied to Tulane, Memphis, and Tulsa every year. With the loose affiliation, BYU can visit Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Cincinnati, and ECU in October and November (as already scheduled through 2017) without tying up 8 games every season. As an independent, BYU can also visit Stanford, USC, Arizona, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Notre Dame in October and November.

#8 - Army may need a landing spot too. While I think BYU would like to play Army and Navy, I'm not sure adding Army to the AAC does much to move the needle for "BYU to the AAC". The AAC's better play is to go after both Army and Air Force. You could bring the Commander-In-Chief trophy in house! From a branding perspective, that is a perfect fit for the American conference! With Air Force in the AAC, it might be worth looking to see if BYU is interested...or if it makes sense to go after a bigger western expansion....ie, BYU, Boise St., San Diego St.

#9 - They cannot crack the Power Five without each other. It is much easier for BYU to crack the P5 by itself, simply because an independent can join a conference without much baggage. The AAC resources and facilities will need to dramatically improve, and quickly, to keep up with the P5. And, AAC teams like Central Florida, Connecticut, and Cincinnati are primary P5 targets for further expansion. BYU knows this. If a Big 12 invite ever comes, it will likely also include Cincinnati and/or Central Florida. I think BYU would like to be affiliated with these schools, but without being adversely overly-restricted to the AAC.

You make all good points, but what I feel the deciding factor will be is the ACC and SEC making the determination that BYU will no longer be considered a power opponent, how quickly will the other three conferences follow? With so much emphasis being put on strength of schedule moving forward are the name schools like Stanford, Notre Dame and USC going to schedule games vs a team that won’t help them from strength of schedule standpoint, and on top of that one they have a chance of losing to?

BYU may not like the idea of being pigeon holed into the restrictions of an AAC or any non P5 conference schedule, unfortunately as the P5 landscape continues to shift rapidly BYU may find themselves on the outside looking in.

I think BYU is in very much the same situation as Cincinatti, UConn, USF and UCF and that is if the P5 wanted any of these programs, they would be in that conference by now.

Now, I’m not saying that won’t or can’t change, but being in a conference is not a marriage that cant be broken. Those schools above as well as anyone else in the AAC is just a check for the exit fee away from a P5 conference once they come calling.

(06-02-2014 05:39 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote: [ -> ]anyone else in the AAC is just a check for the exit fee away from a P5 conference once they come calling.

What else is new? Do you think we are so ignorant that we don't know that?

What would BYU do with the AAC in an affiliation that it doesn't do now? Just a few more games?
And what benefit does the AAC get out of an official affiliation?

(06-02-2014 01:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Besides, Army is better from a TV perspective

Of all the baffling things one finds on this forum, the belief that Army is regarded as anything but the lamest cannon-fodder (from a football POV) is one of the most baffling.

Army football is a joke, and has no value at all except when they are playing Navy.

(06-02-2014 05:39 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote: [ -> ]With so much emphasis being put on strength of schedule moving forward are the name schools like Stanford, Notre Dame and USC going to schedule games vs a team that won’t help them from strength of schedule standpoint, and on top of that one they have a chance of losing to?

The SEC and ACC determinations won't necessarily harm BYU from an SOS perspective. SOS is typically calculated, meaning its a function of how good a team has proven to be on the field, not determined by the opinions of conferences.

If BYU is 10-2 and has played a good schedule, then a Notre Dame or USC that plays them will get plenty of SOS boost, regardless of what the SEC or ACC considers BYU to be.