05-17-2014, 12:36 AM
05-17-2014, 01:52 AM
I don't know if that list would be my top ten but...wow, yes, those are all notably delusional fanbases.
05-17-2014, 07:01 AM
Based on hanging out on this board, I would rank the most delusional in this order:
1. ECU - ECU fans on this board are convinced that ECU is P5 Conference worthy, when the reality is that it was one of the last teams picked for the AAC. It is way, way down the pecking order of teams realisticly being considered for a power conference, or even a best of the rest national conference.
2. Fresno State - I see lots of proposals to include Fresno in expansion ideas, and they have done nothing to deserve it.
3. Louisiana schools -
La - Lafayette, who keeps thinking they can market itself as just plain Louisiana, they ain't fooling anyone
Tulane , the ultimate has - been surviving off its history
La Tech - for years thought it was too good for the sunbelt which is where it belonged.
La Monroe - has no business playing at the FBS level. Go back to FCS
4. Schools that should drop down a level already.
La Monroe, Idaho, EMU, should all give up and drop to FCS.
5. Temple - should have stayed in the MAC for football where they belong.
6. Southern Miss - it's time to accept your new fate. You are now grouped in with all the other directional schools in C-USA.
7. BYU - you actually are P5 worthy in terms of athletic sucess and facilities and numbers of fans. Just drop the goofy mission to spread your goofy religion, swallow your pride and accept the conditions the big 12 is offering for membership.
8. Teams that should just admit they were lucky to be grouped into a P5 conference.
Wash State, Northwestern, wake forest, Vanderbilt, Baylor
Yes, l know these teams have had recent success, but they sucked for years and bring no fans and were parasites for years.
9. Notre Dame
I would put them higher, but I do give them credit for making a realistic compromise with the acc deal. Plus everyone else treats them special because they actually are special. It's not delusional.
10. Service academies.
Navy, AFA, Army do have national appeal and history, but they simply are not capable to compete in all sports at a power conference level.
11. West Virginia - fans are still trying to convince themselves a move to the big 12 was a good idea. If they just would have been patient, they could have had Louisville ' s spot in the ACC.
1. ECU - ECU fans on this board are convinced that ECU is P5 Conference worthy, when the reality is that it was one of the last teams picked for the AAC. It is way, way down the pecking order of teams realisticly being considered for a power conference, or even a best of the rest national conference.
2. Fresno State - I see lots of proposals to include Fresno in expansion ideas, and they have done nothing to deserve it.
3. Louisiana schools -
La - Lafayette, who keeps thinking they can market itself as just plain Louisiana, they ain't fooling anyone
Tulane , the ultimate has - been surviving off its history
La Tech - for years thought it was too good for the sunbelt which is where it belonged.
La Monroe - has no business playing at the FBS level. Go back to FCS
4. Schools that should drop down a level already.
La Monroe, Idaho, EMU, should all give up and drop to FCS.
5. Temple - should have stayed in the MAC for football where they belong.
6. Southern Miss - it's time to accept your new fate. You are now grouped in with all the other directional schools in C-USA.
7. BYU - you actually are P5 worthy in terms of athletic sucess and facilities and numbers of fans. Just drop the goofy mission to spread your goofy religion, swallow your pride and accept the conditions the big 12 is offering for membership.
8. Teams that should just admit they were lucky to be grouped into a P5 conference.
Wash State, Northwestern, wake forest, Vanderbilt, Baylor
Yes, l know these teams have had recent success, but they sucked for years and bring no fans and were parasites for years.
9. Notre Dame
I would put them higher, but I do give them credit for making a realistic compromise with the acc deal. Plus everyone else treats them special because they actually are special. It's not delusional.
10. Service academies.
Navy, AFA, Army do have national appeal and history, but they simply are not capable to compete in all sports at a power conference level.
11. West Virginia - fans are still trying to convince themselves a move to the big 12 was a good idea. If they just would have been patient, they could have had Louisville ' s spot in the ACC.
05-17-2014, 09:22 AM
First of all every fan base is delusional in some way. But if you are going to be that direct about it why aren't there more B1G teams on your list? Illinois,Indiana,Purdue,Minnesota,and even Iowa have gone through some long droughts. My point is ,let people enjoy their teams and let them dream. It's what this all should be about anyway. You build the house one brick at a time ,it takes others longer than some. I just do not get the concept of making yourself feel better about yourself by degrading others. If your are going to be brutally honest about things ,be completely honest.
05-17-2014, 09:27 AM
Here is the actual list of delusional fanbases:
1-5) Louisville
6-10) Syracuse
1-5) Louisville
6-10) Syracuse
05-17-2014, 09:42 AM
i disagree with syracuse on this list (no surprise). while i am not shocked of our placement on the list, if i had to list reasons why we belong there I would have quite a few, but thinking we are a top 10 program would be far from my list.
id say that roughly 90% of CBB fans would agree with our being a top 10 program. whenever i post a top 10 all time programs list (including SU) on BB forums I have never once had anyone disagree with it over SUs placement in the top 10. the only people who don't say SU is a top 10 program are those who focus on just a single stat while failing to see the big picture. there are plenty of other things you can fault cuse for, but this is not one of them. If there is any fanbase that is sure as sh!t guilty of this ==> it's arizona fans and to a smaller extent ohio state fans.
id say that roughly 90% of CBB fans would agree with our being a top 10 program. whenever i post a top 10 all time programs list (including SU) on BB forums I have never once had anyone disagree with it over SUs placement in the top 10. the only people who don't say SU is a top 10 program are those who focus on just a single stat while failing to see the big picture. there are plenty of other things you can fault cuse for, but this is not one of them. If there is any fanbase that is sure as sh!t guilty of this ==> it's arizona fans and to a smaller extent ohio state fans.
05-17-2014, 09:51 AM
I would say Syracuse is safely a top 25 basketball program, top 10 might be pushing it.
05-17-2014, 10:01 AM
Fan being short for fanatic every fan base is delusional.
1. Idaho to be honest the fans want a stronger commitment facilities wise . When it comes to revenue we are fourth in the SBC.
2. Boise State the fans are over the top believing Alabama will play on the Blue. They believe fifteen years of mostly strong FBS football makes them P5 worthy.
3. South Carolina fans claiming superiority over Clemson and SEC national titles for themselves.
4. Any school with a nice three to five year run . The fans believe they have arrived and will keep on winning. Competition does not work that way Especially for programs with little history.
Tennessee will be good again and South Carolina bad not next year but eventually.
5. Any school that thinks they can force their way into the club.
Mostly with expensive facilities projects but also being all in with higher than normal football budgets. Winning will most likely be the result but at the current level.
The schools that have the non athletic requirements can only benefit from going all in for athletic facilities.
1. Idaho to be honest the fans want a stronger commitment facilities wise . When it comes to revenue we are fourth in the SBC.
2. Boise State the fans are over the top believing Alabama will play on the Blue. They believe fifteen years of mostly strong FBS football makes them P5 worthy.
3. South Carolina fans claiming superiority over Clemson and SEC national titles for themselves.
4. Any school with a nice three to five year run . The fans believe they have arrived and will keep on winning. Competition does not work that way Especially for programs with little history.
Tennessee will be good again and South Carolina bad not next year but eventually.
5. Any school that thinks they can force their way into the club.
Mostly with expensive facilities projects but also being all in with higher than normal football budgets. Winning will most likely be the result but at the current level.
The schools that have the non athletic requirements can only benefit from going all in for athletic facilities.
05-17-2014, 10:25 AM
I actually disagree with nearly all of the OP's link. With only a few exceptions (South Carolina, Oregon and Arkansas), the writer listed a slew of program with deep histories, tradition and fan bases. He seems to be really bothered by the biggest names in college sports. IMHO, those fan bases aren't delusional at all about their places in the college sports world - they should all be expecting to win year-in and year-out (even if they haven't done so in the recent past). The more delusional fan bases, as a general matter, are the ones that are either (a) below that top tier yet still believe they're a marquee program (on that front, the OP's link was correct on Arkansas) or (b) have had a few years of recent success and suddenly believe that they're now a marquee Michgan/Notre Dame-type program (maybe Oregon on that front, although I don't find their fans to be particularly delusional at all compared to the SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 schools that are always convinced that they are "sleeping giants").
05-17-2014, 10:57 AM
(05-17-2014 09:27 AM)CoogNellie Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the actual list of delusional fanbases:
1-5) Louisville
6-10) Syracuse
Houston is #1, you guys really think you are players, Not!
05-17-2014, 10:57 AM
The Arkansas fan base is not delusional, they have been deluded.
Since the 1960's most media in the state has taken the position that their job is not to report on the Hogs but promote the Hogs. Through the 60's to late 80's at least once a year each outlet would remind the audience of the lack or near lack of referees from Arkansas in the SWC.
Some years ago a the editor of the state's largest paper wrote of sitting and watching summer pick-up games with the coach. The next day he wrote that what he described as inaccurate and detailed that they hadn't sat and watched, they were just taking a short cut through the building and happened to notice the game at the other end and had quickly moved through without watching. He changed his story to cover up an NCAA violation. When the soon to be ex-wife of a booster released documents showing players paid for work not performed the media began detailing every scandalous or near scandalous thing someone might have thought she had done.
There are TV stations in Little Rock and Fayetteville who do not cover any sports story in their sports segment but for Razorbacks. If the St. Louis Cardinals were to win the World Series it would be a news segment or a segment after sports. The lead story in the sports segment would be Hog football, the second a player interview, third Hog basketball, and fourth Hog volleyball or gymnastics.
When you have a fan base receiving a North Korean style propaganda campaign why would you be surprised that people call a radio station and talk about Bielema winning a national title at Arkansas when the team is 3-5 on the year. One of the last times I listened to Little Rock sports radio they were asking what sort of job he was doing as coach and nearly every single one framed their opinion on the probability of winning a national title with him coaching, When they hired a guy who hasn't coached in decades and never coached women's basketball callers loved the hire and talked of how it would take a good team and make them a national contender. Good team? They've been over .500 in the SEC twice.
If North Koreans believe their country has whipped the US in battle repeatedly and is a major world power and among the world's highest standards of living, the fault isn't theirs but what they get from TV, radio and newspapers.
Since the 1960's most media in the state has taken the position that their job is not to report on the Hogs but promote the Hogs. Through the 60's to late 80's at least once a year each outlet would remind the audience of the lack or near lack of referees from Arkansas in the SWC.
Some years ago a the editor of the state's largest paper wrote of sitting and watching summer pick-up games with the coach. The next day he wrote that what he described as inaccurate and detailed that they hadn't sat and watched, they were just taking a short cut through the building and happened to notice the game at the other end and had quickly moved through without watching. He changed his story to cover up an NCAA violation. When the soon to be ex-wife of a booster released documents showing players paid for work not performed the media began detailing every scandalous or near scandalous thing someone might have thought she had done.
There are TV stations in Little Rock and Fayetteville who do not cover any sports story in their sports segment but for Razorbacks. If the St. Louis Cardinals were to win the World Series it would be a news segment or a segment after sports. The lead story in the sports segment would be Hog football, the second a player interview, third Hog basketball, and fourth Hog volleyball or gymnastics.
When you have a fan base receiving a North Korean style propaganda campaign why would you be surprised that people call a radio station and talk about Bielema winning a national title at Arkansas when the team is 3-5 on the year. One of the last times I listened to Little Rock sports radio they were asking what sort of job he was doing as coach and nearly every single one framed their opinion on the probability of winning a national title with him coaching, When they hired a guy who hasn't coached in decades and never coached women's basketball callers loved the hire and talked of how it would take a good team and make them a national contender. Good team? They've been over .500 in the SEC twice.
If North Koreans believe their country has whipped the US in battle repeatedly and is a major world power and among the world's highest standards of living, the fault isn't theirs but what they get from TV, radio and newspapers.
05-17-2014, 10:59 AM
(05-17-2014 12:36 AM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]http://collegespun.com/national/the-10-m...ege-sports
I'll just leave this here for y'all's perusal
Good post and I agree!
05-17-2014, 11:07 AM
Any top 10 list has to include WVU football fans. Most - not all - do them are of a different breed.
05-17-2014, 11:07 AM
(05-17-2014 09:51 AM)CoogNellie Wrote: [ -> ]I would say Syracuse is safely a top 25 basketball program, top 10 might be pushing it.
I think it's safe to say Syracuse is a Top 12 basketball program of all-time. If we ever get that second NCAA championship, we'll safely be Top 10 due to all of the other factors (top 5 in total wins, top 7 in winning %, attendance, traveling fan base, tv ratings, etc.)
But that lack of a second championship does hurt the image, no doubt about it - especially with Louisville picking up its third and UConn getting its fourth the past couple of years.
Cheers,
Neil
05-17-2014, 11:19 AM
The Alabama fan base isn't so much delusional as it is one containing many Wal-Mart Fans who should never be allowed to vote, procreate or handle firearms.
05-17-2014, 11:25 AM
(05-17-2014 10:25 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I actually disagree with nearly all of the OP's link. With only a few exceptions (South Carolina, Oregon and Arkansas), the writer listed a slew of program with deep histories, tradition and fan bases. He seems to be really bothered by the biggest names in college sports. IMHO, those fan bases aren't delusional at all about their places in the college sports world - they should all be expecting to win year-in and year-out (even if they haven't done so in the recent past). The more delusional fan bases, as a general matter, are the ones that are either (a) below that top tier yet still believe they're a marquee program (on that front, the OP's link was correct on Arkansas) or (b) have had a few years of recent success and suddenly believe that they're now a marquee Michgan/Notre Dame-type program (maybe Oregon on that front, although I don't find their fans to be particularly delusional at all compared to the SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 schools that are always convinced that they are "sleeping giants").
Spot on. The point of the original post, though, had nothing to do with nine of the ten fan bases on the list.
05-17-2014, 11:44 AM
(05-17-2014 11:19 AM)Proud Bammer Wrote: [ -> ]The Alabama fan base isn't so much delusional as it is one containing many Wal-Mart Fans who should never be allowed to vote, procreate or handle firearms.
LOL. Sounds familiar; my dealings with UNC "alums" and UNC "fans" are very different.
05-17-2014, 12:03 PM
(05-17-2014 11:07 AM)omniorange Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2014 09:51 AM)CoogNellie Wrote: [ -> ]I would say Syracuse is safely a top 25 basketball program, top 10 might be pushing it.
I think it's safe to say Syracuse is a Top 12 basketball program of all-time. If we ever get that second NCAA championship, we'll safely be Top 10 due to all of the other factors (top 5 in total wins, top 7 in winning %, attendance, traveling fan base, tv ratings, etc.)
But that lack of a second championship does hurt the image, no doubt about it - especially with Louisville picking up its third and UConn getting its fourth the past couple of years.
Cheers,
Neil
Well I think you need to factor in all those things for ranking programs. If not then just make a list of national championships...many which were suspect due to: Cheating, bad calls, NIT usually being just as good up until the early 70s, early NCAA tourneys having as few as 8 teams, etc...I think Syracuse is clearly Top 12 but I think they are closer to 8-10.
How many programs have had consecutive winning seasons since 1970? Consistently rank #1 or #2 in attendance, Garners high TV ratings, has a large traveling fan base, Top 5 in all time wins, Top 10 in all time winning percentage, 5 Final Fours, 3 National Championship games, 1 NCAA Championship, 2 Helms Championships. Syracuse's issue has been lack of NCAA Championships.
05-17-2014, 12:06 PM
(05-17-2014 11:07 AM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]Any top 10 list has to include WVU football fans. Most - not all - do them are of a different breed.
I can't even mess with WVU fans...they are stuck with Dana....
05-17-2014, 12:17 PM
(05-17-2014 07:01 AM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]Based on hanging out on this board, I would rank the most delusional in this order:
1. ECU - ECU fans on this board are convinced that ECU is P5 Conference worthy, when the reality is that it was one of the last teams picked for the AAC. It is way, way down the pecking order of teams realisticly being considered for a power conference, or even a best of the rest national conference.
2. Fresno State - I see lots of proposals to include Fresno in expansion ideas, and they have done nothing to deserve it.
3. Louisiana schools -
La - Lafayette, who keeps thinking they can market itself as just plain Louisiana, they ain't fooling anyone
Tulane , the ultimate has - been surviving off its history
La Tech - for years thought it was too good for the sunbelt which is where it belonged.
La Monroe - has no business playing at the FBS level. Go back to FCS
4. Schools that should drop down a level already.
La Monroe, Idaho, EMU, should all give up and drop to FCS.
5. Temple - should have stayed in the MAC for football where they belong.
6. Southern Miss - it's time to accept your new fate. You are now grouped in with all the other directional schools in C-USA.
7. BYU - you actually are P5 worthy in terms of athletic sucess and facilities and numbers of fans. Just drop the goofy mission to spread your goofy religion, swallow your pride and accept the conditions the big 12 is offering for membership.
8. Teams that should just admit they were lucky to be grouped into a P5 conference.
Wash State, Northwestern, wake forest, Vanderbilt, Baylor
Yes, l know these teams have had recent success, but they sucked for years and bring no fans and were parasites for years.
9. Notre Dame
I would put them higher, but I do give them credit for making a realistic compromise with the acc deal. Plus everyone else treats them special because they actually are special. It's not delusional.
10. Service academies.
Navy, AFA, Army do have national appeal and history, but they simply are not capable to compete in all sports at a power conference level.
11. West Virginia - fans are still trying to convince themselves a move to the big 12 was a good idea. If they just would have been patient, they could have had Louisville ' s spot in the ACC.
While it remains to be seen how being the geographic outlier will effect WVU it would be crazy to argue that WVU made a mistake joining the B12. They will make $15M more a season than what the BE was making. Even if their staying with the BE would have increased what the AAC eventually received (which it certainly would have) they still couldn't and shouldn't have passed up the lifeline the B12 gave them. There is really no reason to think that the ACC would have chosen WVU over Louisville once the time came.