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Marshall is far superior to Maryland. As is Vanderbilt and FAU, Rice and Midd Tenn are comparable.


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Marshall is not far superior to the Maryland team we played. They are superior to the Maryland team at the end of the season (down a few stud corners, a safety, LB's, and a QB). The defense we faced was very close to top 25.

(05-06-2014 09:04 AM)ODUR8R Wrote: [ -> ]Marshall is far superior to Maryland. As is Vanderbilt and FAU, Rice and Midd Tenn are comparable.


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When Maryland was healthy, they werent

Let's wait and see on some of these guys before we are set at wideout. As much hype that Melvin Vaughn and England receive, they combined for just over 250 receiving yards as freshman and that was not against an ambitious strength of schedule.

We need to be more than just okay at wideout, it needs to carry the team or we are dead.

Last I checked we have a player that was recruited to be a FCS running back in the rotation. Our incoming players are very promising but everyone tends to overrate new guys.


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(05-06-2014 09:08 AM)MonarchCAM Wrote: [ -> ]Marshall is not far superior to the Maryland team we played. They are superior to the Maryland team at the end of the season (down a few stud corners, a safety, LB's, and a QB). The defense we faced was very close to top 25.

Backup corners Goins and Likely started against us at UMD. Goins recorded his first career interception and Likely led the team in tackles.

Most of UMD's 2013 impact injuries were on the offensive side; including their two super WRs, TE and RB

Teams with 3 good corners have us problems. Maryland, Liberty and UNC. Now more teams will have three of these this season.

TH picks on the weak defender and our third and fourth WR generally wins. That's less likely to happen going forward unless we upgrade the WR position.

Our system depends upon wide open receivers. TH audibles to protections that sends free rushers a lot.

Just my 2 cents.


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At the risk of dredging this up again, we had no answer against teams with big DBS who could blanket our smallish receivers.

ECU, IMO, was not a good barometer, as it was just getting it's defensive feet wet, and got much better as the season went on.

(05-06-2014 09:41 AM)ODUR8R Wrote: [ -> ]Teams with 3 good corners have us problems. Maryland, Liberty and UNC. Now more teams will have three of these this season.

TH picks on the weak defender and our third and fourth WR generally wins. That's less likely to happen going forward unless we upgrade the WR position.

Our system depends upon wide open receivers. TH audibles to protections that sends free rushers a lot.

Just my 2 cents.


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What he said.

(05-06-2014 09:41 AM)ODUR8R Wrote: [ -> ]Teams with 3 good corners have us problems. Maryland, Liberty and UNC. Now more teams will have three of these this season.

TH picks on the weak defender and our third and fourth WR generally wins. That's less likely to happen going forward unless we upgrade the WR position.

Our system depends upon wide open receivers. TH audibles to protections that sends free rushers a lot.

Just my 2 cents.


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I agree with your assessment. Not all of it had to do with our talent at WR. ODU's inability to run the ball really hurt them. These teams were daring ODU to run by dropping back everyone in coverage. Maryland did a fantastic job of confusing Heinicke by disguising their max protect coverage and their blitzes.

If the offensive line can open up the run game, ODU won't have problems throwing against teams with better corners. Diversity in our offensive play calling is crucial this upcoming season.

Good points. Who do you blame? Certainly not the o line or backs though I would imagine?


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I agree with your assessment. Not all of it had to do with our talent at WR. ODU's inability to run the ball really hurt them. These teams were daring ODU to run by dropping back everyone in coverage. Maryland did a fantastic job of confusing Heinicke by disguising their max protect coverage and their blitzes.

If the offensive line can open up the run game, ODU won't have problems throwing against teams with better corners. Diversity in our offensive play calling is crucial this upcoming season.
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That is prettty accurate. Likely was a Nickel back and started because we spread them out. The power of this receving core hasn't been in individuals anyway. It's been in numbers and tempo.

(05-06-2014 09:58 AM)ODUR8R Wrote: [ -> ]Good points. Who do you blame? Certainly not the o line or backs though I would imagine?


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We had a very good OL before David went down.
Within our minimalistic scheme, I am not sure what our backs were capable of.
Had we had an alternate plan when confronted with 7 or 8 DBs; that our undersized WRs were otherwise overmatched might not have been so obvious.

(05-05-2014 11:41 PM)Fatalisk Wrote: [ -> ]Most of those are just names as of now. The only proven contributors are Pascal, Pinkard, Roberts, (health concerns) and Vaughan. We've never seen the others play much.

Well, Yorke was just a name as well.

And frankly, Bailey only had 18 catches last season. Spellman, in limited time as a WR, had 7.

Remember, Vaughn, Roberts Pascal were just names when they started with us. I think we will be fine at WR. England prowls the middle ala Wes Welker and I think Melvin Vaughn will be able to get open. Lots of guys to throw too. The problem with the Maryland game is that Maryland dared us to run and our OC did not oblige in kind. Running the ball keeps the DBs/LBs honest and brings them closer to the line of scrimmage. They can't just drop back all the time.

(05-06-2014 11:24 AM)84Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, Vaughn, Roberts Pascal were just names when they started with us. I think we will be fine at WR. England prowls the middle ala Wes Welker and I think Melvin Vaughn will be able to get open. Lots of guys to throw too. The problem with the Maryland game is that Maryland dared us to run and our OC did not oblige in kind. Running the ball keeps the DBs/LBs honest and brings them closer to the line of scrimmage. They can't just drop back all the time.

+1

(05-05-2014 10:17 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote: [ -> ]Very few? Of those few, how many were sued? And what was the precedent?

I just quickly googled "players dismissed from team" and saw articles on players from Alabama FB, Ok. St. BB, Harvard BB, Texas FB and some others. In not one instance did the coach say what the violations were. Some situations were known due to arrests, but the coaches did not give that information out. I will stick by what I said earlier that most coaches DO NOT disclose to fans what the violations were that got said players dismissed. I also noted that they PROBABLY didn't want to be sued. Nothing concrete, just my assumptions.

Colleges are under some very strict federal guidelines as to what they can disclose about students and what they can't. Heck, if a kid is 18, the grades he/she earn go to them, not the parents, unless the kids gave their permission

(05-06-2014 12:59 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: [ -> ]Colleges are under some very strict federal guidelines as to what they can disclose about students and what they can't. Heck, if a kid is 18, the grades he/she earn go to them, not the parents, unless the kids gave their permission

If it is grades, well we have about 20 football coaches, and probably less players than that that have scholastic problems. Who is watching the hen house. I thought academics was one of the points stressed by Wilders crew? Aren't there tutors available for each college athlete? Just saying, unless the kid is totally unprepared for college to begin with, we should be able to teach them the skills in the classroom as well as on the field.?

My statement has nothing to do with players leaving ODU or being asked to leave. It was merely one example of the restrictions schools face when discussing students with the media or public. The point being if a school can't even send grades to a parent of a student without his/her permission, there's no reason to believe they're able to talk publicly about why they booted someone from the team.

(05-06-2014 01:26 PM)Oduhs Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2014 12:59 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: [ -> ]Colleges are under some very strict federal guidelines as to what they can disclose about students and what they can't. Heck, if a kid is 18, the grades he/she earn go to them, not the parents, unless the kids gave their permission

If it is grades, well we have about 20 football coaches, and probably less players than that that have scholastic problems. Who is watching the hen house. I thought academics was one of the points stressed by Wilders crew? Aren't there tutors available for each college athlete? Just saying, unless the kid is totally unprepared for college to begin with, we should be able to teach them the skills in the classroom as well as on the field.?

All I can say is what? We are still dealing with 18 year olds just removed from high school.