We've all heard Aresco boast in the media that the American will do whatever it takes to stay with the P5. But when the rubber hits the road (probably in August 2015) as far as some of these extra benefits to student-athletes, how realistic that the schools in this conference really pony up the extra funds?
Keep in mind that the details at this point are rather sketchy, and the Title IX implications haven't been ironed out yet.
But knowing that Temple is cutting back on sports, facing larger exit fees than any of the rest, and a potential massive increase in football costs; and UCF is holding back facility expansion projects because of lack of funding (heck, UCF couldn't even fire their awful women's basketball coach because they didn't want to pay the buyout); USF is paying three people to be a head football coach at the school, yet only one of them is; Tulane and Tulsa really haven't had large athletic budgets historically; etc. is it possible that there are schools in this conference that won't want to pay the full cost of attendance scholarships/stipends, or other additional expenses proposed by the P5?
I've seen this on a couple of Pirate-related websites: "The American Conference, ECU's new home on July 1st, will provide player stipends if the power conferences are allowed to do so by the NCAA, according to AAC Commissioner Aresco."
every school in our conference will, this has already been decided
Are we allowed to provide stipends? I thought the P5 were making special rules that only apply to them?
(04-24-2014 08:09 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote: [ -> ]Are we allowed to provide stipends? I thought the P5 were making special rules that only apply to them?
it'll be divided into rules that anyone can follow (unless your conference blocks it) and rules that are only immediately allowed for the p5 and would need a vote from every D1 school to allow
stipends will be "permissive" meaning anyone can follow
No doubt. We piloted this back in the 80s with great success
I think there are going to be a myriad of stipend options which the P5, in the end will adopt as a package. These stipends will have an annual value assigned to them, per s/a, that these P5 conferences will ultimately agree to.
Imo, the G5 conferences will then choose to adopt the entire package, lock, stock and barrel or will say to their member schools 'you can choose to adopt all, most, some or none depending on your administrations ability to finance these programs'. Now a conference like the AAC will strongly encourage all members to adopt the entire package to remain as complementary to the P5's as possible. Conference's like the Sun Belt, on the other hand, would allow much more latitude for their members as some will clearly not be able to satisfy the entire P5 package. As long as the stipends are spread equitably among the s/a's that are not receiving max. stipend (not all of it just going to the football players; something similar to T-IX guidence) there should be no other enforcement from the conference.
Advantage: Those schools who elect to provide more assisstance will attract the more desirable student athlete.
Issue: as greater and greater dollars flow to the P5, some type of COLA should be attached to the NCAA/FBS governance to prevent the most wealthy programs from running off and creating an unfair competitve advantage.
I think this is a fair question. I think the stipend is pretty much 100% across the board for the schools. What I am worried about is the other "special" things we could do if allowed. I look at my schools and we are hurting for cash. We are building a stadium and practice facility with great support from everyone but that's with the hope we can compete at the top levels of NCAA sports. If things change even more I wonder if those wallets start to close up? I will still give but people with money did not get rich by betting on a lame horse.
I believe if the AAC or any other conference is allowed to do the same things the P5 are allowed to do (Actionable stuff) I think the schools and alums in this conference will step forward. If we can not then I think money starts to dry up as it will be a well known line drawn in the sand. Right now there is a line but it's because we just cant do something's because of us. If we cant do something's because we aren't allowed to that hurts even more.
Ecu already voted against it. Doubt they pay up.
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It can't be the same across the board.
These are federally regulated. Each school will decide the amount with a cap.
Schools in high cost of living states like Conn. are not going to be handicapped by schools in low cost of living states like Tulsa.
One thing people haven't realized is that the federal gov't mandates that schools list the ACTUAL cost of attendance (above tuition, fees, room & board) on their website. This is a real number, a federal figure, and it's different for every school. The really screwy part is that schools that inflate the number so as to provide more benefits to athletes will also simultaneously scare off the parents of regular students who look at that number (federal regulations mandate that it be posted on the tuition website) and say, geez! tuition is $8k, room & board $10k, fees $2k, and now this? $4k for transportation and books and incidentals?
What until cash strapped universities have to come up with this extra money and then try to push those costs to the students as additional athletic fees. That is when you grab the popcorn.
Definitely will hurt schools even at the AAC level. Can't imagine how the ones underneath can handle it.
(04-24-2014 08:30 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]Ecu already voted against it. Doubt they pay up.
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Supposedly the new stadium will provide the school with around 6-7 million in new income. We will be fine.
(04-24-2014 07:57 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen this on a couple of Pirate-related websites: "The American Conference, ECU's new home on July 1st, will provide player stipends if the power conferences are allowed to do so by the NCAA, according to AAC Commissioner Aresco."
Aresco has said a lot of things. Most of them have not come true.
(04-24-2014 07:57 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen this on a couple of Pirate-related websites: "The American Conference, ECU's new home on July 1st, will provide player stipends if the power conferences are allowed to do so by the NCAA, according to AAC Commissioner Aresco."
Well that's fine and all, but where do you think the AAC gets the money to pay these stipends? It will ultimately come out of our pockets, one way or another.
(04-24-2014 08:22 AM)CalallenStang Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt. We piloted this back in the 80s with great success
was fixin to say the same thing
(04-24-2014 08:30 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]Ecu already voted against it. Doubt they pay up.
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im sure they voted against it but theyd be foolish not to do it
you can vote against something because you don't believe it but ecu wouldn't hurt itself if it's already passed and put them in a recruiting hole
(04-24-2014 08:41 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2014 07:57 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen this on a couple of Pirate-related websites: "The American Conference, ECU's new home on July 1st, will provide player stipends if the power conferences are allowed to do so by the NCAA, according to AAC Commissioner Aresco."
Aresco has said a lot of things. Most of them have not come true.
like what???
please elaborate on this very false statements
(04-24-2014 08:29 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is a fair question. I think the stipend is pretty much 100% across the board for the schools. What I am worried about is the other "special" things we could do if allowed. I look at my schools and we are hurting for cash. We are building a stadium and practice facility with great support from everyone but that's with the hope we can compete at the top levels of NCAA sports. If things change even more I wonder if those wallets start to close up? I will still give but people with money did not get rich by betting on a lame horse.
I believe if the AAC or any other conference is allowed to do the same things the P5 are allowed to do (Actionable stuff) I think the schools and alums in this conference will step forward. If we can not then I think money starts to dry up as it will be a well known line drawn in the sand. Right now there is a line but it's because we just cant do something's because of us. If we cant do something's because we aren't allowed to that hurts even more.
But will the alumni actually step up? They've had the chance for years and decades in some cases, and the level of support isn't even close to that seen through most of the P5. Some programs are newer and the alumni base isn't well-established, but others have been around a good long time. What makes you think that they'll all of a sudden step up? I know a good many donors who would actually withdraw donations if SA's get paid.
I just challenge you all to take a good hard look at your programs and give an honest answer. Sure, we as diehard fans are going to want our schools at the highest level, and many of the members of this conference are trying to push ahead to a P5 invite. But when push comes to shove, are the resources going to be available to really do this?
If the P5 is paying stipends then we need to do the same. I also hope the other four G5 conferences don't pay stipends. That would create a nice dividing between us and them.
(04-24-2014 08:35 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: [ -> ]What until cash strapped universities have to come up with this extra money and then try to push those costs to the students as additional athletic fees. That is when you grab the popcorn.
Definitely will hurt schools even at the AAC level. Can't imagine how the ones underneath can handle it.
Look, there are billions coming out of the CFP (and things will always continue to inflate; it's content after all), the G5 must have the NCAA/FBS help them finance these stipends. Perhaps indexed to the average cost of attending the schools within a conference. The conference then can dole out those dollars, and a given institution can choose to augment those funds with additional, internal, dollars if they so choose.
Point is, though the P5 will apparently vote themselves autonomy, they are still responsible for the NCAA and the FBS and for the governance they pass they must assure than it can be paid for.