and never will. Eat it Obama.
(04-06-2014 11:49 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]and never will. Eat it Obama.
Good for you.
I hope your health remains good and you have no accidents. If you do I hope you have plenty of savings to pay your medical bills.
(04-06-2014 12:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 11:49 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]and never will. Eat it Obama.
Good for you. I hope your health remains good and you have no accidents. If you do I hope you have plenty of savings to pay your medical bills.
Nah, he can just sign up when stuff happens. No pre-existing conditions...remember.
(04-06-2014 12:27 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 12:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 11:49 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]and never will. Eat it Obama.
Good for you. I hope your health remains good and you have no accidents. If you do I hope you have plenty of savings to pay your medical bills.
Nah, he can just sign up when stuff happens. No pre-existing conditions...remember.
Wait until the penalties start kicking in. No worries. I now pay less than 500 bucks per month for my healthcare (down from 800 a month under the 'private insurance plan'). Most of the 7 million people signed up get subsidies to ensure that their healthcare is affordable. I don't, but I still my premiums went down.
Regardless of whether you sign up or not, it is now the GOP's responsibility to figure out how to keep everyone currently insured without premium rises at the same level of service. Good luck with that.
I really don't care how much the plan costs in the first couple of years. The goal is to get the government into the healthcare business and to make it an entitlement to comprehensive access to healthcare for a means based premium.
At the next open enrollment in October, coverage will increase to 14 or so million. Its game over for the anti-Obamacare folks. It would be easier to repeal Obamacare if those currently on it were the healthy ones. Because it would be easy to move them to the private sector. I suspect that of that 7.5 million, most of us are going to be VERY hard to move back to the private sector.
Too many people will have coverage by the time y'all get a shot at this. The GOP plans aren't going to contain costs, preserve quality, or preserve means based access to healthcare.
In short, you've lost. And its over. Try telling every single American on Diabetes that their healthcare costs will triple on the new GOP plan (and it will).
If you'd like to continue to be a free rider, that's your choice. But Obamacare is permanent.
(04-06-2014 12:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Wait until the penalties start kicking in. No worries. I now pay less than 500 bucks per month for my healthcare (down from 800 a month under the 'private insurance plan'). Most of the 7 million people signed up get subsidies to ensure that their healthcare is affordable. I don't, but I still my premiums went down.
And that is PRECISELY the attitude they want you to have. We'll tax the **** out of you at gunpoint ... give you some back in the form of a subsidy ... and you'll miraculously jump to the conclusion that it was cheaper thanks to the subsidy!
Only it isn't even that retarded ... it is even worse. The theft to pay for the subsidy isn't just from you and everybody else ... it is from future generations too.
It's not affordable to the ones paying the subsidies for them.
its theft. pure and simple.
(04-06-2014 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 11:49 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]and never will. Eat it Obama.
+1
You and me against the world, gts. Thanks for your board service.
(04-06-2014 12:27 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 12:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 11:49 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]and never will. Eat it Obama.
Good for you. I hope your health remains good and you have no accidents. If you do I hope you have plenty of savings to pay your medical bills.
Nah, he can just sign up when stuff happens. No pre-existing conditions...remember.
You can rake up a lot of bills between then and January 1st of the next year. You can't just sign up anytime unless you have a life changing event like lose of a job, marriage, divorce etc.
(04-06-2014 01:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 12:27 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 12:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 11:49 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]and never will. Eat it Obama.
Good for you. I hope your health remains good and you have no accidents. If you do I hope you have plenty of savings to pay your medical bills.
Nah, he can just sign up when stuff happens. No pre-existing conditions...remember.
You can rake up a lot of bills between then and January 1st of the next year. You can't just sign up anytime unless you have a life changing event like lose of a job, marriage, divorce etc.
I didn't bother with that argument. But he's just one injury/illness from losing everything. But most people with assets to protect will have insurance, so there's probably not much for him to risk.
(04-06-2014 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 12:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Wait until the penalties start kicking in. No worries. I now pay less than 500 bucks per month for my healthcare (down from 800 a month under the 'private insurance plan'). Most of the 7 million people signed up get subsidies to ensure that their healthcare is affordable. I don't, but I still my premiums went down.
And that is PRECISELY the attitude they want you to have. We'll tax the **** out of you at gunpoint ... give you some back in the form of a subsidy ... and you'll miraculously jump to the conclusion that it was cheaper thanks to the subsidy!
Only it isn't even that retarded ... it is even worse. The theft to pay for the subsidy isn't just from you and everybody else ... it is from future generations too.
The private system failed for millions of Americans.
And its not appropriate to assume efficient markets when it comes to healthcare. Demand responses to price changes is highly inelastic. That's why a Libertarian response cannot work. There either have to be constraints to stop the health care oligopoly from exploiting that price inelasticity (which they've been doing as can be evidenced by the premium costs versus the overall level of inflation) or massive government intervention to ensure affordability. I'd argue for both.
It is a damn good thing that this whole ACA debacle can be repealed with a simple majority in the senate. Thank you dirty harry for opening that door.
(04-06-2014 01:01 PM)Tiguar Wrote: [ -> ]its theft. pure and simple.
Yep...Nothing but a new wealth redistribution program. The idea that it will improve HC or that costs will be reduced is a pipe dream. Neither will happen with this system. We could have done it right. This is a clusterfck.
(04-06-2014 02:11 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]It is a damn good thing that this whole ACA debacle can be repealed with a simple majority in the senate. Thank you dirty harry for opening that door.
I don't for a second believe that will happen. I hope it gets overhauled and fixed...but...we are likely to have some type of system going forward. Hopefully one that works.
(04-06-2014 02:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 02:11 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]It is a damn good thing that this whole ACA debacle can be repealed with a simple majority in the senate. Thank you dirty harry for opening that door.
I don't for a second believe that will happen. I hope it gets overhauled and fixed...but...we are likely to have some type of system going forward. Hopefully one that works.
You seem interested in a revision of this wealth redistribution program? Frankly, it needs to be scrapped. Completely. The majority wants it on the trash bin of history. A failed liberal experiment. Address the problems and get the gov't out of people's health care. The gov't sucks at everything they do. That has been proven over and over again. A simple majority in the senate and it is out, with the WH that is.
(04-06-2014 02:30 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 02:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 02:11 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]It is a damn good thing that this whole ACA debacle can be repealed with a simple majority in the senate. Thank you dirty harry for opening that door.
I don't for a second believe that will happen. I hope it gets overhauled and fixed...but...we are likely to have some type of system going forward. Hopefully one that works.
You seem interested in a revision of this wealth redistribution program? Frankly, it needs to be scrapped. Completely. The majority wants it on the trash bin of history. A failed liberal experiment. Address the problems and get the gov't out of people's health care. The gov't sucks at everything they do. That has been proven over and over again. A simple majority in the senate and it is out, with the WH that is.
My comments are based upon my belief that the Senate will not scrap the ACA. At that point I am left with trying to deal with it as best we can. I would love to see it scrapped all together.
(04-06-2014 02:11 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]It is a damn good thing that this whole ACA debacle can be repealed with a simple majority in the senate. Thank you dirty harry for opening that door.
Yep. Nuclear option created it. Nuclear option can blow it up.
(04-06-2014 03:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2014 02:11 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]It is a damn good thing that this whole ACA debacle can be repealed with a simple majority in the senate. Thank you dirty harry for opening that door.
Veto
A republican president won't veto it.