Tulsa Coach Danny Manning has moved up to the Wake Forest job. Manning is just the latest in what has become a long line of successful coaches who have gotten big time jobs after coaching at the University of Tulsa. The list includes Bill Self and Tubby Smith among a lot of others.
Although I am sure that each time it happens that the Tulsa fans are not thrilled to lose their coach, it does mean that Tulsa has had a very good and successful program no matter which conference they have belonged to. What is the secret to their continuing success?
(04-04-2014 02:05 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa Coach Danny Manning has moved up to the Wake Forest job. Manning is just the latest in what has become a long line of successful coaches who have gotten big time jobs after coaching at the University of Tulsa. The list includes Bill Self and Tubby Smith among a lot of others.
Although I am sure that each time it happens that the Tulsa fans are not thrilled to lose their coach, it does mean that Tulsa has had a very good and successful program no matter which conference they have belonged to. What is the secret to their continuing success?
Robinson at Florida State comes quickly to mind as well. Not sure how Tulsa does it. Great city, but I think Little Rock is too. Great oncampus facility, but we have that too (now). I do think one difference, despite the fact that it is a private school, they have great support from the community who takes pride in their local university. It also is a very good academic school. I really wanted my younger son to go there (he go a pretty nice academic scholarship), but he chose to go to KU (which worked out fine).
(04-04-2014 02:55 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2014 02:05 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa Coach Danny Manning has moved up to the Wake Forest job. Manning is just the latest in what has become a long line of successful coaches who have gotten big time jobs after coaching at the University of Tulsa. The list includes Bill Self and Tubby Smith among a lot of others.
Although I am sure that each time it happens that the Tulsa fans are not thrilled to lose their coach, it does mean that Tulsa has had a very good and successful program no matter which conference they have belonged to. What is the secret to their continuing success?
Robinson at Florida State comes quickly to mind as well. Not sure how Tulsa does it. Great city, but I think Little Rock is too. Great oncampus facility, but we have that too (now). I do think one difference, despite the fact that it is a private school, they have great support from the community who takes pride in their local university. It also is a very good academic school. I really wanted my younger son to go there (he go a pretty nice academic scholarship), but he chose to go to KU (which worked out fine).
They do have good community support and have worked hard to get it. I really don't think UALR has done much to work on getting and keeping community support. And before anyone launches off on the dominance from the school in NW Arkansas, remember that Tulsa also has to deal with not just one but two very large BCS state schools with large alumni and fan support bases. And although I agree with you that Tulsa is a good academic school, I don't think that has anything to do with the success they have had with basketball coaches.
(04-04-2014 03:45 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2014 02:55 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2014 02:05 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa Coach Danny Manning has moved up to the Wake Forest job. Manning is just the latest in what has become a long line of successful coaches who have gotten big time jobs after coaching at the University of Tulsa. The list includes Bill Self and Tubby Smith among a lot of others.
Although I am sure that each time it happens that the Tulsa fans are not thrilled to lose their coach, it does mean that Tulsa has had a very good and successful program no matter which conference they have belonged to. What is the secret to their continuing success?
Robinson at Florida State comes quickly to mind as well. Not sure how Tulsa does it. Great city, but I think Little Rock is too. Great oncampus facility, but we have that too (now). I do think one difference, despite the fact that it is a private school, they have great support from the community who takes pride in their local university. It also is a very good academic school. I really wanted my younger son to go there (he go a pretty nice academic scholarship), but he chose to go to KU (which worked out fine).
They do have good community support and have worked hard to get it. I really don't think UALR has done much to work on getting and keeping community support. And before anyone launches off on the dominance from the school in NW Arkansas, remember that Tulsa also has to deal with not just one but two very large BCS state schools with large alumni and fan support bases. And although I agree with you that Tulsa is a good academic school, I don't think that has anything to do with the success they have had with basketball coaches.
Not coaches, but maybe players. The cost (and maybe the quality of the education) is much higher at small private schools like Tulsa, Richmond, etc. A 4 year education at those schools likely costs around $200,000, which is probably 4 times what going to your own State school would cost. I would think that
some student-athletes would factor that into the equation when making a decision about what college they will attend.
(04-04-2014 02:05 PM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa Coach Danny Manning has moved up to the Wake Forest job. Manning is just the latest in what has become a long line of successful coaches who have gotten big time jobs after coaching at the University of Tulsa. The list includes Bill Self and Tubby Smith among a lot of others.
Although I am sure that each time it happens that the Tulsa fans are not thrilled to lose their coach, it does mean that Tulsa has had a very good and successful program no matter which conference they have belonged to. What is the secret to their continuing success?
They'd had a pretty darn good program for years. No national championships, but a good steady winning program, which has allowed several coaches to move on to bigger and better things. What is their secret to their continuing success? I'd say not keeping a bad or mediocre coach around for ten or twelve years. I don't remember his name, but the guy who replaced Richardson over there didn't last too long. If they don't produce, they move'em on out. That's what good programs do.
(04-04-2014 04:24 PM)LRTrojan Wrote: [ -> ][quote='PTJR' pid='10636671' dateline='1396638316']
Tulsa Coach Danny Manning has moved up to the Wake Forest job. Manning is just the latest in what has become a long line of successful coaches who have gotten big time jobs after coaching at the University of Tulsa. The list includes Bill Self and Tubby Smith among a lot of others.
Although I am sure that each time it happens that the Tulsa fans are not thrilled to lose their coach, it does mean that Tulsa has had a very good and successful program no matter which conference they have belonged to. What is the secret to their continuing success?
A writer wrote an article about this which I couldn't access but here is Wikipedia's summary-
Much has been made of Tulsa's ability to hire good coaching candidates but their inability to retain them like Gonzaga has been able to. Since Barnett's firing after the 1990-1991 season, no coach has stayed at the program more than four seasons and all but one have departed for larger programs. Barnett has speculated that finances may be a reason when larger programs come calling, but he also “[does]n’t know what the real philosophical reasons are.”[
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They'd had a pretty darn good program for years. No national championships, but a good steady winning program, which has allowed several coaches to move on to bigger and better things. What is their secret to their continuing success? I'd say not keeping a bad or mediocre coach around for ten or twelve years. I don't remember his name, but the guy who replaced Richardson over there didn't last too long. If they don't produce, they move'em on out. That's what good programs do.
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Actually the coach after Richardson did quite well and for the most part it has continued:
Richardson was succeeded by J. D. Barnett, who continued the team's success, winning one tournament and one regular season championship and finishing lower than third in the conference only once.
Barnett was succeeded by Tubby Smith, who went on to coach at Kentucky, Georgia and Minnesota. Smith spent four seasons at Tulsa, winning two MVC championships and leading them past the first round of the NCAA tournament for the first time, to the Sweet Sixteen in both the 1993-1994 and 1994-1995 seasons. A succession of high-profile coaches came through following Smith’s departure for Georgia. Steve Robinson led the team to consecutive NCAA appearances before departing for Florida State. Bill Self succeeded Robinson for three seasons, winning two WAC titles in the 1998-99 and 1999-00 seasons and leading Tulsa to its best record ever, a 32-5 record in the 1999-00 season. Tulsa advanced to the Elite Eight in the 2000 NCAA tournament as a #7 seed.[14] Self departed for Illinois and was succeeded by Buzz Peterson. Peterson led the team to the 2001 NIT Championship and promptly took the head coaching position at the University of Tennessee.
Following Peterson’s departure, John Phillips led the team to NCAA tournaments in his first two seasons and won a WAC title. Doug Wojcik was hired before the 2005-06 season to revive the program. . Wojcik's hiring also coincided with Tulsa's decision to join Conference USA.
He led the team to 20 wins in both his second, third, and fourth seasons and the 2008 College Basketball Invitational championship, led by tournament MVP Jerome Jordan Most recently they hired Danny Manning who led them to the NCAA tournament this year and is now headed for Wake Forest.
It's actually amazing that Tulsa has hired some of the best coaches in college basketball when you think of Richardson, Tubby, Self, and maybe now Manning. I assume they have had different AD's over the years as well. Pretty impressive track record.
I knew that self smith and self were coaches there but after reading your post it hit home that they gave 3 coaches a chance that ended up winning national championships.
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A writer wrote an article about this which I couldn't access but here is Wikipedia's summary-
Much has been made of Tulsa's ability to hire good coaching candidates but their inability to retain them like Gonzaga has been able to. Since Barnett's firing after the 1990-1991 season, no coach has stayed at the program more than four seasons and all but one have departed for larger programs. Barnett has speculated that finances may be a reason when larger programs come calling, but he also “[does]n’t know what the real philosophical reasons are.”[
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That is the mark of a good mod majpr imo.
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Actually the coach after Richardson did quite well and for the most part it has continued:
Richardson was succeeded by J. D. Barnett, who continued the team's success, winning one tournament and one regular season championship and finishing lower than third in the conference only once.
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Didn't Barnett get fired at Tulsa?
For them to have guessed correctly on that many up-and-comers is really remarkable. Only had one misfire over that stretch, didn't they?