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Some p#ssed off parents will take that anger out in the election booths....

Parents across the country may hold the key to this year’s mid-term elections as they vent their anger over the implementation of a controversial education achievement measure called the Common Core State Standards Initiative.

Forty-five states and the District of Columbia have adopted the initiative in a bid, they say, to improve education standards in Math and English, and give new life to what many view as a sagging education system. Indiana recently voted to back out of Common Core.

But many parents see the initiative as a bid by the federal government to take over the education system. They are also angry over the “data mining” of students’ personal information, and say the stepped-up standards are not age-appropriate and are leading to anxiety and depression in their children.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/29/com...p=trending

You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

Oh, well in that case it makes it all better doesn't it?

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

There are some Republicans who support Common Core, but the Democrats will take the hit.

Let us see, blame Bush, pass something unworkable and unpopular, then when defeat is imminent, claim it can be fixed, reminding everyone it is Bush's fault.

Now, I do agree that a few people don't like Common Core. I just notice no one said anything in 2009 when states started implementing the standards. After 5 years and billions spent, the politicians and unions want to use it as a wedge issue.

The bill to slow common core in Tennessee was proposed by Democrats and furthered by the tea party folks. Whatever force gets that Un-Holy Alliance together has to be big.

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

Clearly this was Bush's greatest blunder. The fact that he dragged Teddy Kennedy along for the "victory tour" should be enough evidence that this was a wasteful expense of taxpayers' money.

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

Then why would it matter who started it?

And, by the way, Common Core started under Clinton in 1996 by why let little things like facts confuse you.

Quote:"As part of this education reform movement, the nation’s governors and corporate leaders founded Achieve, Inc. in 1996 as a bipartisan organization to raise academic standards and graduation requirements, improve assessments, and strengthen accountability in all 50 states" -- Wiki

The Ball really did not get moving until 2009 however thats when the readins standards came out and the math came out a year later.

But up to 2009 it was a mostely academic venture in finding a new way to teach. Then Obama got involved

Quote:"President Obama and Secretary of Education Arne Duncan announced the Race to the Top competitive grants on July 24, 2009 as a motivator for education reform. To be eligible, states had to adopt "internationally benchmarked standards and assessments that prepare students for success in college and the work place."[13] Though states could adopt other college and career ready standards and still be eligible, they were awarded extra points in their Race to the Top applications if they adopted the Common Core standards by August 2, 2010." -- Wiki

This was a back door way at getting around a law which was intended to prevent the federal government from setting educational standards. If they cant' force you to do what they like they will refuse to fund you. This "carrot and stick" approach used by big government supports is why I can't trust a single one of them.

(03-30-2014 03:45 AM)supertiger Wrote: [ -> ]Now, I do agree that a few people don't like Common Core. I just notice no one said anything in 2009 when states started implementing the standards.

Because many people were ignorant. Now I know quite a few people who were griping back in 2009.

Quote:The bill to slow common core in Tennessee was proposed by Democrats and furthered by the tea party folks. Whatever force gets that Un-Holy Alliance together has to be big.

The dems are doing it for the same reason some are now backing away from O-care... There is an election coming up and parents are seeing just how bass-ackwards CC math it..

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

My mom taught from 68 to 99....She can tell you that standardized testing was implemented gradually year by year. She used to complain about it then. It has just now got to the insane stage now. It is like damn near everything the government does...gradually expanding and almost never improving.

There is a real conundrum inherent in this issue. To best address Common Core, we need to make a few basic assumptions that I hope that all parties can agree on.

1. Every child should be given the opportunity to obtain a quality education. Note I refer to equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.

2. We are spending a lot of taxpayer money on education and we should have some way of quantitatively evaluating the effectiveness and cost efficiency of funds expended.

3. Individual schools and teachers should be held to high standards for effectiveness and efficiency.

Given these assumptions, the only way we can achieve these goals is by standardized testing. Is this the best solution? Probably not but I don't see another alternative.

On the other hand, maybe we should simply abolish the Dep of Education and distribute the federal funds to the individual school districts via block grants. No this isn't perfect but this is the ideal behind federalism, ie. set the governmental administration as close to the people as possible.

(03-30-2014 09:59 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: [ -> ]There is a real conundrum inherent in this issue. To best address Common Core, we need to make a few basic assumptions that I hope that all parties can agree on.

1. Every child should be given the opportunity to obtain a quality education. Note I refer to equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.

2. We are spending a lot of taxpayer money on education and we should have some way of quantitatively evaluating the effectiveness and cost efficiency of funds expended.

3. Individual schools and teachers should be held to high standards for effectiveness and efficiency.

Given these assumptions, the only way we can achieve these goals is by standardized testing. Is this the best solution? Probably not but I don't see another alternative.

On the other hand, maybe we should simply abolish the Dep of Education and distribute the federal funds to the individual school districts via block grants. No this isn't perfect but this is the ideal behind federalism, ie. set the governmental administration as close to the people as possible.

Ill go with door number 4.

(03-30-2014 07:39 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

Clearly this was Bush's greatest blunder. The fact that he dragged Teddy Kennedy along for the "victory tour" should be enough evidence that this was a wasteful expense of taxpayers' money.

Second biggest... TARP would be the biggest, but agreeing with the Democrats in congress on Common Core would definitely fall in the 2nd.

(03-30-2014 09:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-29-2014 06:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this ALL started under Bush correct? Now you can argue that it was co opted and I would agree there but this whole thing is rooted in the standardized testing brought to us by the GOP.

Then why would it matter who started it?

And, by the way, Common Core started under Clinton in 1996 by why let little things like facts confuse you.

Quote:"As part of this education reform movement, the nation’s governors and corporate leaders founded Achieve, Inc. in 1996 as a bipartisan organization to raise academic standards and graduation requirements, improve assessments, and strengthen accountability in all 50 states" -- Wiki

The Ball really did not get moving until 2009 however thats when the readins standards came out and the math came out a year later.

But up to 2009 it was a mostely academic venture in finding a new way to teach. Then Obama got involved

Quote:"President Obama and Secretary of Education Arne Duncan announced the Race to the Top competitive grants on July 24, 2009 as a motivator for education reform. To be eligible, states had to adopt "internationally benchmarked standards and assessments that prepare students for success in college and the work place."[13] Though states could adopt other college and career ready standards and still be eligible, they were awarded extra points in their Race to the Top applications if they adopted the Common Core standards by August 2, 2010." -- Wiki

This was a back door way at getting around a law which was intended to prevent the federal government from setting educational standards. If they cant' force you to do what they like they will refuse to fund you. This "carrot and stick" approach used by big government supports is why I can't trust a single one of them.

What is even more aggravating is the fact that while they want to dictate the whole thing, they don't actually want to pay for it. What is the federal percentage spent on grade 1-12 education, 10% max? The ba$tards are fine with making locals and states pay the bulk - yet they want to dictate everything. F_ck those aholes.

I know I am sick of subsidizing a failed educational system. The dems will receive much of the outrage over this failed Education system, after all Academia is democrat controlled. They own it and will have to eat that sh!t sandwich just as they will with ZeroCare. The failure of Liberalism is clear to any adult that is not brainwashed or braindead. Democrats resemble the Zombies of the Walking Dead. Lock and Load.

(03-30-2014 09:59 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: [ -> ]There is a real conundrum inherent in this issue. To best address Common Core, we need to make a few basic assumptions that I hope that all parties can agree on.

1. Every child should be given the opportunity to obtain a quality education. Note I refer to equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.

2. We are spending a lot of taxpayer money on education and we should have some way of quantitatively evaluating the effectiveness and cost efficiency of funds expended.

3. Individual schools and teachers should be held to high standards for effectiveness and efficiency.

Given these assumptions, the only way we can achieve these goals is by standardized testing. Is this the best solution? Probably not but I don't see another alternative.

On the other hand, maybe we should simply abolish the Dep of Education and distribute the federal funds to the individual school districts via block grants. No this isn't perfect but this is the ideal behind federalism, ie. set the governmental administration as close to the people as possible.

I've got no issues with either 1 or 2. For me, 3 is where the differences of opinion will come in. IMO, holding teachers in an urban school and suburban school, for example, is where the difficulties begin.

Why, obviously the two sets of student populations are very different. Trying to hold the teachers and schools of these two very different student populations to the same standards will always fail. The urban schools will almost always fail to meet the standards and the suburban schools will meet them so easily that the suburban students won't actually be pushed nearly as far academically as they could be. That's one of the inherent problems of "one size fits all" methods of measuring school success or failure.

Quote:This second grader’s revenge against Common Core math will make your day

In the 90's it was ALL at the state levels. State level initiatives.


and whoever said that your bright kids can breeze through it and your middle to lower levels will struggle hits the nail on the head. We spend 90% of our energy on the average to below average.