The committee also proposed a voting structure that would give members of the five wealthiest conferences — the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC — 37% of the Division vote, with 18.6% of the vote going to members of the Big East, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West and Sun Belt Conferences, 3.7% to college athletes and 40.7% to the remainder of Division I member schools.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...l/6884339/
If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
(03-25-2014 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
This is unrelated to autonomy. This is the power split for all matters that lie outside of the still to be determined P5 autonomous powers. While the power-5 do not comprise a majority---the 10 FBS conferences do (37%+18%=55%). FBS would control D1. The students athletes and the rest of D-1 would have 45% of the vote. The G5 become very significant as they would be the swing vote on any issue.
(03-25-2014 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2014 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
This is unrelated to autonomy. This is the power split for all matters that lie outside of the still to be determined P5 autonomous powers. While the power-5 do not comprise a majority---the 10 FBS conferences do (37%+18%=55%). FBS would control D1. The students athletes and the rest of D-1 would have 45% of the vote. The G5 become very significant as they would be the swing vote on any issue.
That's not control. Nothing significant is going to change -- there won't be "full cost of attendance", there won't be full-time recruiting staffs for football and hoops -- if the G5 and the rest of D-I can still tie the P5's hands and restrict their spending of the additional money they make.
It's like the Royals and Astros having enough voting power to block the Yankees and Dodgers from signing Clayton Kershaw or Alex Rodriguez sized contracts.
Call me skeptical if you like, but it looks like any so-called "autonomous powers" will be limited to things not much more significant than deciding the menu at board meetings.
(03-25-2014 06:24 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2014 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2014 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
This is unrelated to autonomy. This is the power split for all matters that lie outside of the still to be determined P5 autonomous powers. While the power-5 do not comprise a majority---the 10 FBS conferences do (37%+18%=55%). FBS would control D1. The students athletes and the rest of D-1 would have 45% of the vote. The G5 become very significant as they would be the swing vote on any issue.
That's not control. Nothing significant is going to change -- there won't be "full cost of attendance", there won't be full-time recruiting staffs for football and hoops -- if the G5 and the rest of D-I can still tie the P5's hands and restrict their spending of the additional money they make.
It's like the Royals and Astros having enough voting power to block the Yankees and Dodgers from signing Clayton Kershaw or Alex Rodriguez sized contracts.
Call me skeptical if you like, but it looks like any so-called "autonomous powers" will be limited to things not much more significant than deciding the menu at board meetings.
I think you are reading way too much into this article. This only deals with the broader construction of D1 governance. The decision to give the P5 autonomy on stipends and other issues has been made. Its just a question of nailing down specifics. The voting percentages presented are for issues of common governance that fall outside the narrow bounderies of autonomy. If you are right and there are no autonomous P-5 powers then you may as well plan for a new division 4 or a full fledged split. If this proposal doesn't have an element of autonomy, then weighted voting alone will not placate the P5. That said, I don't think that is the case.
(03-25-2014 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2014 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
This is unrelated to autonomy. This is the power split for all matters that lie outside of the still to be determined P5 autonomous powers. While the power-5 do not comprise a majority---the 10 FBS conferences do (37%+18%=55%). FBS would control D1. The students athletes and the rest of D-1 would have 45% of the vote. The G5 become very significant as they would be the swing vote on any issue.
And that's not much different than before. It was 35% + 18% before (arkstfan feel free to correct me if I have missed some changes in the governance structure).
Wait, the AAC is lumped with the other D-1 conferences?!
(03-25-2014 06:24 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2014 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2014 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
This is unrelated to autonomy. This is the power split for all matters that lie outside of the still to be determined P5 autonomous powers. While the power-5 do not comprise a majority---the 10 FBS conferences do (37%+18%=55%). FBS would control D1. The students athletes and the rest of D-1 would have 45% of the vote. The G5 become very significant as they would be the swing vote on any issue.
That's not control. Nothing significant is going to change -- there won't be "full cost of attendance", there won't be full-time recruiting staffs for football and hoops -- if the G5 and the rest of D-I can still tie the P5's hands and restrict their spending of the additional money they make.
It's like the Royals and Astros having enough voting power to block the Yankees and Dodgers from signing Clayton Kershaw or Alex Rodriguez sized contracts.
Call me skeptical if you like, but it looks like any so-called "autonomous powers" will be limited to things not much more significant than deciding the menu at board meetings.
MWC would vote for full cost stipends as they are on record supporting it. I suspect the AAC would support it as well. That is enough to put it over the top, I think that one is a done deal given that the athletes would obviously support it.
Not so sure about the recruiting staffs but would not be surprised to see that one go through as well with MWC and AAC support
(03-25-2014 07:37 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, the AAC is lumped with the other D-1 conferences?!
I'm assuming the author meant AAC in place of Big East by the fact they're listed with the other G5 conferences.
Well that just means the P5 conferences will use next year to line up a breakaway. And that would be fine and dandy with me.
Sun Belt was the first conference to authorize stipend after it temporarily passed.
As long as FBS has the majority of the votes the P5 aren't going to be unhappy with the legislation ASSUMING it is legislation the P5 are united on, if they aren't united doesn't really matter.
We keep wondering when the B12 and Pac12 will add members - here is your answer -
At the breakaway point, there will be 5-8 schools left out (i.e. UConn) that will need to land somewhere as they are legit P5 teams - and they'll latch on to someone. I'm guessing if there is a break-away, the AAC and the Mountain West come too.
(03-25-2014 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the final outcome, then the last several months have seen a helluva lot of saber-rattling for pretty much nothing.
Isn't that usually the case for most things?
The bark is usually worse than the bite.
That is why I am always skeptical of pronouncements of grand, sweeping changes in college athletics, or anything for that matter.
This whole tweak breaks down to the following votes:
.569 of a vote for each member of the ACC, B1G, B12, PAC, SEC
.305 of a vote for each member of the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC, SBC
.185 of a vote for each member of the FCS conferences and Non-Football Conferences
55.6% of the vote will go to the FBS schools/conferences, but the Power 5 still need the Go5 to pass anything.