# CONF__ncaa__NIT
1 Big 12--7____1
2 Big 10--6____2
3 PAC 12-5____2
4 Big East-4___2
5 ACC-----6___2
6 A10-----6___0
7 SEC----3____4
8 AAC----4____1
9 WCC---2____2
10 MWC--2____0
11 MVC---1____1
12 MAC---1____1
13 CUSA--1____2
14 Horizon-1___1
15 CAA----1___0
16 MAAC---1___1
17 SUMMIT-1___0
18 IVY------1___0
19 SBC-----1___1
20 PATRIOT-1___1
I said earlier this year that every team that had an RPI ooc below 150 was killing our chances for at-large bids. PirateMarv blasted me for it. (When I said that, Tulsa was on the bubble of that and my team, UAB, fell to 152 in conference). C-USA OOC RPI was 17th and it rose to 13th in conference.
So yeah, USM got snubbed by the committee but so did a couple other programs too. But it was because our RPI was so low as a conference that the committee didn't see enough top 100 wins.
Take the Big 12 for example, they have 7 teams in the top 51 in RPI. Those 7 got in. The 8th with a top 100 RPI went to the NIT. This is out of 10 teams mind you.
The bottom feeders RPI wise are really going to have to improve. If we want multiple bids we have to be a top 10 league again.
WKU coming in and losing Tulane and ECU will help tremendously but losing Tulsa will make that a wash. So lets not turn this into a ***** -fest Marv and SJ.
rpi doesn't seem to matter if you aren't from a power conference.
different rules for different conferences is the walking, talking definition of "unjust".
I agree with the RPI OOC argument, but we need to get on TV and be seen. The selection committee watches games mostly on TV, we need to be in their face. They aren't pulling game tapes of teams to see them play. Both need to happen.
I disagree. Teams like Gonzaga and VCU did not get a lot of TV time. They simply played big schools every year until they started winning. Now they get into the Dance every year. We need to follow their lead.
Win the games you are supposed to. That was our problem. 3-1 vs NCAA tourney field with the only loss being a double OT miracle by NM. No one to blame but ourselves.
C-USA (Including us) schedule better and win games.
(03-17-2014 11:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree. Teams like Gonzaga and VCU did not get a lot of TV time. They simply played big schools every year until they started winning. Now they get into the Dance every year. We need to follow their lead.
Try again. Gonzaga and VCU both had a TV schedule that all of CUSA should be envious of.
Gonzaga; 19 games on national TV
10 on ESPN2, 6 ESPNU, 3 ESPN.
VCU; 24 on national TV
3 on NBCSN, 1 CBS, 6 ESPN2, 4 ESPNU, 1 Fox Sports2, 9 on CBSSN.
(03-17-2014 10:56 AM)EagleX Wrote: [ -> ]rpi doesn't seem to matter if you aren't from a power conference.
different rules for different conferences is the walking, talking definition of "unjust".
RPI doesn't matter if you don't have Top 50 or Top 100 wins....and that's justifiable. Generally, the power conference bubble teams have those wins.
You can "game" the RPI by playing better teams from lower tier conferences. That Georgia State (#82) win, for us, for example, probably helped our RPI more than a win over Texas (#37) would have.
Many would say that RPI helps mid-majors a lot.
This is not a big vs little conference issue. The A-10 is a mid major but lok how many teams got not the tourney. It looks like SOS was very important this year.
(03-17-2014 11:56 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2014 11:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree. Teams like Gonzaga and VCU did not get a lot of TV time. They simply played big schools every year until they started winning. Now they get into the Dance every year. We need to follow their lead.
Try again. Gonzaga and VCU both had a TV schedule that all of CUSA should be envious of.
Gonzaga; 19 games on national TV
10 on ESPN2, 6 ESPNU, 3 ESPN.
VCU; 24 on national TV
3 on NBCSN, 1 CBS, 6 ESPN2, 4 ESPNU, 1 Fox Sports2, 9 on CBSSN.
Maybe now they have but they didn't have it before. They worked their way up by playing and beating quality schools.
(03-17-2014 11:56 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2014 11:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree. Teams like Gonzaga and VCU did not get a lot of TV time. They simply played big schools every year until they started winning. Now they get into the Dance every year. We need to follow their lead.
Try again. Gonzaga and VCU both had a TV schedule that all of CUSA should be envious of.
Gonzaga; 19 games on national TV
10 on ESPN2, 6 ESPNU, 3 ESPN.
VCU; 24 on national TV
3 on NBCSN, 1 CBS, 6 ESPN2, 4 ESPNU, 1 Fox Sports2, 9 on CBSSN.
Gonzaga benefits from the West Coast time slot.
It is a little hard for me to refer to CBSSN as a national network. Technically it is, but.....
(03-17-2014 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe now they have but they didn't have it before. They worked their way up by playing and beating quality schools.
So did we.
ODU fans are quite aware of how VCU came to power.
The A10 got 6, but whatever...
According to the Committee NC State was the last team in:
21-13, RPI of 55 (< - NC State)
23-9, RPI of 53 ( < - SMU)
27-6, RPI of 33 ( < - USM)
I'd put both USM and SMU in before them...
Yeah the NC State choice was a shock. I would've put in 6 or 8 teams before them.
A lot of those power conf. teams get their "big" wins in conf. and have multiple opps to do so in conf. every year. Unfortunately, which conf. you are in is not a choice for most, so we can only play the teams on our schedule. We can try to schedule better OOC of but you can't play every game away from home and you can't make good teams schedule you. The committee will do what they want and the criteria is so subjective it is ridiculous.
(03-17-2014 01:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ]The A10 got 6, but whatever...
According to the a Committee NC State was the last team in:
21-13, RPI of 55 (< - NC State)
23-9, RPI of 53 ( < - SMU)
27-6, RPI of 33 ( < - USM)
I'd put both USM and SMU in before them...
I wouldn't. SOS 33 buys you some leeway to lose some games. 6 wins against the top-100.
SMU--> SOS 114, 4 wins against top-100
USM--> SOS 131, 3 wins against top-100
Unless you're going to go the Wichita State route and win them all, it's tough to get in with that kind of SOS. Hell, I doubt Stephen F. Austin would've made it had they not won their tournament.
SFA--> 31-2, RPI of 52
NCSUs wins over Cuse, Pitt, Tennessee, and FSU
Are no more impressive than SMUs wins over @UConn, Cincy, UConn, and Memphis IMHO
I'd leave NCSU out.
(03-17-2014 10:39 AM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]WKU coming in and losing Tulane and ECU will help tremendously but losing Tulsa will make that a wash...
Some of you guys write the stupidest stuff. The truth about CUSA is that it sucks. You guys can keep lying to yourselves about how good CUSA is going to be once ECU and Tulane leave, but the truth be told is that CUSA is a running joke because the vast majority of the coaches and the players in the league suck; therefore the league sucks.
For goodness sakes the best team in CUSA lost to the worst team in the B12; TWICE!!!! What does that tell you? You guys will say that it tells you that the B12's bottom b1tch is much better than that 0-19 conference record that they had or some stupid crap like Tulsa is playing much better since then. What it tells me and the rest of the basketball universe that is not delusional is that CUSA sucks really bad if Tulsa won the league. Don't hate me for telling you the truth. CUSA can bring in any teams that they want, but just like in football the league will continue to suck; because it is run in a low rent fashion, by low rent administrators for a bunch of schools that are basically broke. In a couple of years look for the administrations of ODU, Charlotte and UTEP to try desperately to leave as well and then you all can blame those schools and their fans for why CUSA continues to suck.
Btw, here is the last 4 years of RPI's for Tulsa, Tulane, WKU and ECU. You can clearly see that this is the first year in the last four that WKU finished with a higher RPI than ECU. And you all know why ECU's RPI was low this year.
2013-14 RPI (as of 2/25/2014)
Tulsa 73
WKU 125
ECU 215
Tulane 223
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/rpi
2012-2013 RPI
ECU 67
Tulsa 124
WKU 146
Tulane 173
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/rpi
2011-2012 RPI
Tulsa 121
ECU 167
WKU 171
Tulane 251
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/rpi
2010-2011 RPI
Tulsa 84
ECU 108
WKU 199
Tulane 235
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2011/rpi
(03-17-2014 01:50 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah the NC State choice was a shock. I would've put in 6 or 8 teams before them.
Not a shocked when the WF AD is heading committee.
(03-17-2014 10:56 AM)EagleX Wrote: [ -> ]rpi doesn't seem to matter if you aren't from a power conference.
different rules for different conferences is the walking, talking definition of "unjust".
Yeah. They need to make a geniune effort to tweak the RPI formula to account for conference strength. That would make it a valuable resource to the selection committe and remove their need to put a subjective evaluation on every single team's RPI based on conference affiliation.
It would also let the little guys know if they actually have a legitimate shot at a bid. No more top 40 RPI teams getting screwed. If your RPI is 40, it'll mean you really are worthy.
However, this will never happen because it would remove the committee's ability to play politics and get unworthy P5 patsies in over quality mid-major teams.
(03-17-2014 11:56 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2014 10:56 AM)EagleX Wrote: [ -> ]rpi doesn't seem to matter if you aren't from a power conference.
different rules for different conferences is the walking, talking definition of "unjust".
RPI doesn't matter if you don't have Top 50 or Top 100 wins....and that's justifiable. Generally, the power conference bubble teams have those wins.
You can "game" the RPI by playing better teams from lower tier conferences. That Georgia State (#82) win, for us, for example, probably helped our RPI more than a win over Texas (#37) would have.
Many would say that RPI helps mid-majors a lot.
It's not hard to get some Top 50 wins when you play 15 games against them with about half at home. Southern Miss played two Top 50 opponents on the road and still got a win. Some of the teams getting in with 5-9 Top 50 records played 7 of those games at home. Is it really impressive to be 5-9 when you only played 7 of those on the road?
RPI does not help mid-majors because it is irrelevant unless it is used to get marginal P5 teams in. RPI must be tweaked to account for conference strength so that it cannot be manipulated to get weak P5 teams in at the expense of worthy mid-majors. But they don't want that because it cuts their power to play politics.